Do you know Ruff's System

[spndnchz]

We need to be looking at future assistants that give the highest probability of winning multiple cups. I vote Bartovic.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Only two teams have an assistant coach with more than three years of NHL head coach experience: Detroit (Renney) and San Jose (Robinson).

 

In summation, it's not that PA doesn't exactly know what he's talking about, but what he's talking about is pointless.

 

Why don't you mention that of the 60 eligible names, 12 had been hired as head coaches with only 2 of 12 serving less than 2 years? And that another 2 have just been hired as a head coach?

 

Or that of the 19 assistant coaches currently hired that have either won a Stanley Cup as an assistant or have head coaching experience.....13 of 19 are on current playoff teams? And of those 13, 10 teams are represented of the 16 that made it to the playoffs......while 10 of the 14 teams that missed have nobody with experience?

 

Or that of the past 4 Stanley Cup Champions......all 4 employed someone at assistant that had previously won a Cup as assistant or was a head coach at one point? (LA-Stevens/Boston-Jarvis/CHI-Torchetti/PIT-Granato)

 

 

Hmmnnnn.......I don't know what model you are using......maybe it's the Bravo Sierra one? :o

[spndnchz]

Blah blah blah

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Blah blah blah

 

Paging LastPommerFan.......LastPommerFan, your question from another thread has been answered.

[IKnowPhysics]

But those are current assistants. Some of them weren't with those teams last season.

Accounted for, trust me.

Also, I can't believe you set your r-squared value at less than .3. We all know that's too low. Come on. Please. :P

inorite

 

But it is interesting, I know a few folks were getting their jimmies all rustle-y when Craig Ramsay was available. It'd be pretty tits to have a coaching staff comprised of ex-head coaches like Super Friends, without them being poached for head coaching jobs or without them being anything like Aquaman. But it'd be easy to see egos clash in a scenario like that over an 82 game season, let alone a few years. Like I was thinking, maybe it just takes good guys in the locker room who know what the ###### they're doing. And it's obvious that Patrick and Numminen fit would that mold.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Accounted for, trust me.

 

inorite

 

But it is interesting, I know a few folks were getting their jimmies all rustle-y when Craig Ramsay was available. It'd be pretty tits to have a coaching staff comprised of ex-head coaches like Super Friends, without them being poached for head coaching jobs or without them being anything like Aquaman. But it'd be easy to see egos clash in a scenario like that over an 82 game season, let alone a few years. Like I was thinking, maybe it just takes good guys in the locker room who know what the ###### they're doing. And it's obvious that Patrick and Numminen fit would that mold.

 

You WANT guys to get poached! That means you are doing it right. Babcock had Mclellan and Maclean on his cup winner, and they have both since been Jack Adams finalists themselves.

 

What I think PA is getting at is Patrick and Teppo both played under Lindy and neither was noted for their "take-over" ability. It was about calm leadership.....sort of like Pominville, Vanek, etc. I never even really paid attention to this fact, but it fits the MO of Lindy.

 

By the way...not wanting to knock your work...you did the research, just slanted it a tad!

[RazielSabre]

Wow this is now won 'Most meaningless thread' and 'dumbest thread' awards. Congrats, who wants to accept the award on the threads behalf?

 

Assistant coaches help the head coach to win, their job is to get the most out of their post. Here's an example of how I see it: If we have a bad PP this season, Adams deserves to be fired. Thats a vague example but it gives an indication. I do believe we need a different assistant that Patrick, fresh blood with new ideas but experience is meaningless imho.

[shrader]

Possibly it just seems that that was the general tone, apologies for the slander. :)

 

Shame or not, Detroit are not the template powerhouse anymore, Boston, Nashville, Philly(ish) seem to be the best, most consistant teams at the moment. To put that in perspective I'd say Vancouver, Philly and Pittsburgh are the most talented teams.

 

Unless they make some changes, Detroit could very easily wind up fighting for one of those bottom playoff spots this year. They lost so much on their blue line and if they're expecting Brendan Smith to fill those shoes, they may very well be in trouble.

 

That said, I do expect them to do something. They're in a reverse situation to what we have, way too many forwards and not enough quality D.

[dEnnis the Menace]

Unless they make some changes, Detroit could very easily wind up fighting for one of those bottom playoff spots this year. They lost so much on their blue line and if they're expecting Brendan Smith to fill those shoes, they may very well be in trouble.

 

That said, I do expect them to do something. They're in a reverse situation to what we have, way too many forwards and not enough quality D.

 

possible trade partner then? who would even be available to us that would fit into 'Ruff's system?'

[shrader]

possible trade partner then? who would even be available to us that would fit into 'Ruff's system?'

 

I knew someone would follow up with that question, but didn't think it would be that quick. I don't mean to suggest that Buffalo and Detroit would talk, but the Red Wings almost certainly have to be looking to add someone to their blue line.

[gohansrage]

possible trade partner then? who would even be available to us that would fit into 'Ruff's system?'

 

Not to hijack this thread, but I would trade anyone to get Pavel Datsyuk on this team.

[Lanny]

Not to hijack this thread, but I would trade anyone to get Pavel Datsyuk on this team.

I don't think he's available

[dEnnis the Menace]

I knew someone would follow up with that question, but didn't think it would be that quick. I don't mean to suggest that Buffalo and Detroit would talk, but the Red Wings almost certainly have to be looking to add someone to their blue line.

 

I can be fast somedays ;)

 

I know you weren't suggesting it, but since you brought it up, I figured it was a good talking point, especially since it seems like we have an abundance of D-men.

[Stoner]

Accounted for, trust me.

 

inorite

 

But it is interesting, I know a few folks were getting their jimmies all rustle-y when Craig Ramsay was available. It'd be pretty tits to have a coaching staff comprised of ex-head coaches like Super Friends, without them being poached for head coaching jobs or without them being anything like Aquaman. But it'd be easy to see egos clash in a scenario like that over an 82 game season, let alone a few years. Like I was thinking, maybe it just takes good guys in the locker room who know what the ###### they're doing. And it's obvious that Patrick and Numminen fit would that mold.

 

Takes good guys to do what, exactly? Where has this coaching staff gotten us, where has Lindy's way of building a staff gotten us?

 

Ghost got me to thinking about how all the great coaches have a family tree of sorts. Look around the NFL at head coaches who emerged from Bill Walsh and Don Shula and Bill Belichick and the like. What is Lindy's legacy in this area after 15 years. Seriously... one of the great coaches has no offspring. Arniel had his shot, yes. Who else? Who else? Seems like Lindy is good at finding "local" guys who are content to sit around in his shadow.

[gohansrage]

I don't think he's available

 

Agreed. A boy can dream though....

[RazielSabre]

Unless they make some changes, Detroit could very easily wind up fighting for one of those bottom playoff spots this year. They lost so much on their blue line and if they're expecting Brendan Smith to fill those shoes, they may very well be in trouble.

 

That said, I do expect them to do something. They're in a reverse situation to what we have, way too many forwards and not enough quality D.

 

To be fair their not exactly stacked with quality forwards. Babcock is good though so as you say I expect them to do something. Despite that though they will be out of the playoffs in my opinion.

[TrueBlueGED]

You WANT guys to get poached! That means you are doing it right. Babcock had Mclellan and Maclean on his cup winner, and they have both since been Jack Adams finalists themselves.

 

What I think PA is getting at is Patrick and Teppo both played under Lindy and neither was noted for their "take-over" ability. It was about calm leadership.....sort of like Pominville, Vanek, etc. I never even really paid attention to this fact, but it fits the MO of Lindy.

 

By the way...not wanting to knock your work...you did the research, just slanted it a tad!

 

He also had a few players who I wouldn't mind seeing on the Sabres. And by a few, I mean many.

 

 

possible trade partner then? who would even be available to us that would fit into 'Ruff's system?'

 

I don't think there's anybody on the roster I'd want who would be available in a trade. I'd LOVE Darren Helm on the team as our #3 center, but there's not a chance in hell we pry him out of Detroit.

 

To be fair their not exactly stacked with quality forwards. Babcock is good though so as you say I expect them to do something. Despite that though they will be out of the playoffs in my opinion.

 

I'll take that bet.

[RazielSabre]

He also had a few players who I wouldn't mind seeing on the Sabres. And by a few, I mean many.

 

 

 

 

I don't think there's anybody on the roster I'd want who would be available in a trade. I'd LOVE Darren Helm on the team as our #3 center, but there's not a chance in hell we pry him out of Detroit.

 

 

 

I'll take that bet.

 

Even if I was a betting man I wouldn't. While I think they'll hit 9th, I'm certainly not putting money on it. It's still Detroit.

[gohansrage]

Even if I was a betting man I wouldn't. While I think they'll hit 9th, I'm certainly not putting money on it. It's still Detroit.

 

How many franchises in sports can you say that sentence about and people agree with you?

 

Steelers, Yankees, Lakers, Man U?

 

What a testament to your franchise that statement is though.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

He also had a few players who I wouldn't mind seeing on the Sabres. And by a few, I mean many.

 

Right....and MacLean just happens to go to a team that missed the playoffs for his first coaching gig, and not only gets them into the playoffs and outperform your beloved Buffalo Sabres....but gets nominated for a Jack Adams his very first year in the league.....

 

Deflect......deflect....deflect........

 

Takes good guys to do what, exactly? Where has this coaching staff gotten us, where has Lindy's way of building a staff gotten us?

 

Ghost got me to thinking about how all the great coaches have a family tree of sorts. Look around the NFL at head coaches who emerged from Bill Walsh and Don Shula and Bill Belichick and the like. What is Lindy's legacy in this area after 15 years. Seriously... one of the great coaches has no offspring. Arniel had his shot, yes. Who else? Who else? Seems like Lindy is good at finding "local" guys who are content to sit around in his shadow.

 

It's great to have you back. Without you, we are fighting a war without air cover. Now after you carpet bomb the bad guys, the ground troops can go in and clean the grid out.

[TrueBlueGED]

Right....and MacLean just happens to go to a team that missed the playoffs for his first coaching gig, and not only gets them into the playoffs and outperform your beloved Buffalo Sabres....but gets nominated for a Jack Adams his very first year in the league.....

 

Deflect......deflect....deflect........

 

So you'd rather have MacLean on the bench than Datsyuk in the middle of the ice? To each his own.

 

I don't deflect, my position is simple: coaching in the NHL is vastly overrated. There may be 5 elite coaches who make a positive difference, and 5 abysmal coaches who make a negative difference (hypothetical, I haven't actually counted out the names). Everybody else? Somewhere in the middle, each with different strengths and weaknesses, and it really doesn't matter who the coach is as long as the roster fits what the coach wants to do. Players win championships.

[RazielSabre]

How many franchises in sports can you say that sentence about and people agree with you?

 

Steelers, Yankees, Lakers, Man U?

 

What a testament to your franchise that statement is though.

 

Sorry just to clarify, I'm not a particular Detroit fan. I have a huge amount of respect for them, just not a fan.

 

Had to clarify! True statement though, really is amazing.

 

Right....and MacLean just happens to go to a team that missed the playoffs for his first coaching gig, and not only gets them into the playoffs and outperform your beloved Buffalo Sabres....but gets nominated for a Jack Adams his very first year in the league.....

 

Deflect......deflect....deflect........

 

 

 

It's great to have you back. Without you, we are fighting a war without air cover. Now after you carpet bomb the bad guys, the ground troops can go in and clean the grid out.

 

That one word is hugely telling and answers a question you have constantly deflected. You actually aren't a Sabres fan. I'm not being snarky or joking.

[gohansrage]

So you'd rather have MacLean on the bench than Datsyuk in the middle of the ice? To each his own.

 

I don't deflect, my position is simple: coaching in the NHL is vastly overrated. There may be 5 elite coaches who make a positive difference, and 5 abysmal coaches who make a negative difference (hypothetical, I haven't actually counted out the names). Everybody else? Somewhere in the middle, each with different strengths and weaknesses, and it really doesn't matter who the coach is as long as the roster fits what the coach wants to do. Players win championships.

 

 

Whole heartedly agree with that.

 

I think coaching in every sport is overrated. Gregg Easterbrook said that coaches can make a team 5% better or worse. That's it.

 

Sorry just to clarify, I'm not a particular Detroit fan. I have a huge amount of respect for them, just not a fan.

 

Had to clarify! True statement though, really is amazing.

 

 

"Your" in the general sense :-)

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

So you'd rather have MacLean on the bench than Datsyuk in the middle of the ice? To each his own.

 

I don't deflect, my position is simple: coaching in the NHL is vastly overrated. There may be 5 elite coaches who make a positive difference, and 5 abysmal coaches who make a negative difference (hypothetical, I haven't actually counted out the names). Everybody else? Somewhere in the middle, each with different strengths and weaknesses, and it really doesn't matter who the coach is as long as the roster fits what the coach wants to do. Players win championships.

 

So....in Ottawa is was the PLAYERS who in a 12 month span, took the team from 74 to 92 points. And in Buffalo the putrid 2/3 of the season and mad dash the last 25 games the past few years is either solely on the players or pure coincidence?

 

And how do you explain off the Stanley Cup winning teams having assistants who were previously head coaches or had won a Cup as an assistant before? The last 4 had one, and I stopped after the streak was broken with Babcock....who I just showed has spun off 2 Jack Adams candidates of his own.

 

If 10 of the 30 teams employ such a coach with experience......what are the odds that one of those teams wins the Cup the past 4 years? The odds are 80-1.

 

I think coaching in every sport is overrated. Gregg Easterbrook said that coaches can make a team 5% better or worse. That's it.

 

Mike Straw says the cheese on a McDonald's burger only can make the burger 12% better or worse. That's it.

[shrader]

Am I missing something here? Where was the big experience on the Bruins coaching staff? I also only see an interim coach on the Blackhawks staff and one year of experience on the Penguins staff.