Weave Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 Clowe or parise would be amazing.. Who are some realistic top centers we could acquire?? Realistic + top center = 0
Bmwolf21 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 Clowe works out with Luke Adam in the offseason. They're from the same town in Canada. Maybe they want to reunite them in the not-offseason? Nah, makes too much sense. Plus, I don't think Darcy Regier even exists. He's just a character played by an actor that the team sometimes rolls out to mess with us. That made me laugh. Yea it's a shame that DR is home rearranging his stamp collection and coordinating his underwater drawer. Underwater drawer?
Robviously Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 So much for those rumors of "Roysie" going to Chicago. Better to be patient and hold out for the better deal, right Darcy? :doh: http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=386262 1. The Blackhawks didn't trade anyone we'd want. 2. The Blackhawks acquiring Morrison doesn't mean they wouldn't also want to take on Roy in a subsequent trade. 3. The Blackhawks adding guys for a Cup run should make their competition in the West (e.g. Detroit, Minnesota) more likely to want to add pieces of their own (like, hopefully, Derek Roy). Definitely nothing to panic about with that trade. Unfortunately, it's still worth panicking about Regier being our GM and basically never getting anything right at the trade deadline post-lockout. (Hey, remember when we were sellers and scooped up Steve Bernier???)
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 That made me laugh. Underwater drawer? He had to use code because he was not sure if under#### would pass the strict SDS filter system.
Eleven Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 No, and you know that was not the point of my post. Then, and I'm not saying this to be a dick, I'm not sure what the point of your post was, actually. Roy-to-Chicago might very well be alive, as Robviously states. I would have been even more furious with Darcy had he traded Roy for a career AHLer. Roy should bring back a decent player, IMO.
Iron Crotch Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 what's so great about Clowe? Don't we need a center, not another winger? Darcy and Lindy are working on the centerless offense. It'll be all the rage in the NHL. BTW - I remember seeing it somewhere, but wasn't there a stat going around showing that Darcy make something like 80% of his trades on either draft day or the day or the trade deadline?
Robviously Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 what's so great about Clowe? Don't we need a center, not another winger? We're all pretending that we live in an alternate dimension where Darcy Regier has the stamina, courage, imagination, and inclination to make multiple trades.
wonderbread Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 Underwater drawer? Curse you iPhone touchpad.
deluca67 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 We're all pretending that we live in an alternate dimension where Darcy Regier has the stamina, courage, imagination, and inclination to make multiple trades. Not to mention that Clowe has some attributes Regier and Ruff detest, like size and toughness. Interesting that when the Blackhawks need a center they add Brendan Morrison. I'm not saying Morrison could solve all of the Sabres' problems,he at least would have givin the Sabres some cheap depth up the middle.
HopefulFuture Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Posted January 29, 2012 Someone recently revived the "What is Darcy doing now" thread. I think that thread should be stickied to the top so we can all take pot shots at this hack.
X. Benedict Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Interesting, of course, that Connolly, Drury, Briere, Mair and Novotny are no longer here and both Goose and Hecht are likely on their way out as pending UFAs... plus Roy is the one everyone would like to see traded. Could Darcy be so incompetent that he doesn't realize the team is in spectacular need of natural centers? Not incompetent, just unsuccessful. There isn't enough talent at center to go around.....about 15 other teams could use one or two centers which force GMs to make reaches. Darcy's gamble was signing Leino to play center. Burke gamble in Toronto was on two damaged centers ...Connolly and Lombardi and one Gaustad-like one in Steckle - (no guarantee they make the post season either).
Two or less Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Not incompetent, just unsuccessful. There isn't enough talent at center to go around.....about 15 other teams could use one or two centers which force GMs to make reaches. Darcy's gamble was signing Leino to play center. Burke gamble in Toronto was on two damaged centers ...Connolly and Lombardi and one Gaustad-like one in Steckle - (no guarantee they make the post season either). True, but Leafs success doesn't rely on those two players. The gamble he took was traded a very solid defensmen and a leader for a young, underachieving forward- Joffrey Lupul, who has become a All-Star in Toronto.
qwksndmonster Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Gaustad was most physical playing 4th line wing on a team loaded with 7 other potential centers.....Connolly, Roy, Drury, Briere, Mair, Hecht, and Novotny. Nothing was coached out of him. He just returned to center and was added to the PK. This should not surprise anyone that watches hockey for about umpteen different reasons. Ruff doesn't like toughness? Just silly IMO. All coaches want a tough team just like they want a fast team and a disciplined team. As far as I would like to think, Kassian won't be moving to center. He'll have the corners. It's so nice to have you back, X. Let the record show that I am very impressed with how Toronto has been building their team.
shrader Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 You are pretty new to the board, but this must be sarcasm, right? And you've been here, what, 4 months?
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 And you've been here, what, 4 months? Yes. I still consider myself new to the board. What's your point?
apuszczalowski Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 this is a joke right? Hitting isnt here just for fans, hitting is a huge part of the game. the sabres, in my opinion, are a FAR better team when Pat Kaleta is on HIS game. the team has spark. how could anyone want to get rid of the enforcers and grinders? we want to get rid of the hardest working players and the guys that stick up for your finesse players? i can understand getting rid of cheap shot artists and a** clowns, but there is a HUGE difference. and an NHL without the strong work ethic and hunger/passion for a "W" is not a NHL i will ever watch. and if the league goes that way completely, they will have lost a fan for sure. go sabres. I don't know, why don't you ask the NHL? Earlier this month, the Leafs GM Burke made some comments about how theres no room in the league anymore for enforcers like Colton Orr when he put him on waivers to send him down http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1111058--brian-burke-troubled-by-state-of-nhl-after-demoting-colton-orr Problem is, and the point I'm trying to make, is that a player like Pat Kaleta can't be the kind of player we want Pat kaleta to be because the league views him as a "Cheap shot Artist/@$$clown" and are watching him closely due to his reputation which leads to discipline and suspensions
Koomkie Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Repeating a meme over and over doesn't prove it. Neither does calling it "obvious," nor calling someone who disagrees with you "blind" -- especially when the allegedly blind people have demonstrated here over a lengthy period that they are actually pretty astute hockey observers. And your examples don't support your position. How, exactly, did Peters' game change? He was the same designated fighter at the end of his time with the Sabres that he was when he joined. And while Kaleta may have added a bit more to his game, he's still primarily a hitter and agitator. Any brakes on his hitting have come from the refs and the NHL, not Lindy. hasn't pat kaleta said many times that lindy has taught him to choose wisely when to hit, so he doesn't take himself out of the play/ out of postion? which is fine advice, except if he is giving it to guys that don't check normally, who may take it as a free pass to say they didnt want to be out of position? i feel like you can't deny when we play a bigger hitting team (bruins) that our hits are way higher than on any other given day. i don't think that players have a switch that clicks in their head to go out and hit more, i think they are told, as part of that specific game plan, to go out and hit a lot to show that team that they are not going to stand for it. and you can see as the game goes on that our hitting decreases. and was it torres that said lindys system was too complicated to learn or something along those lines? if you want me to try and find quotes i will look, but i feel as thought that was something that was discussed heavily when he arrived out of shape, and played like crap (barely hitting anyone)
Koomkie Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 I don't know, why don't you ask the NHL? Earlier this month, the Leafs GM Burke made some comments about how theres no room in the league anymore for enforcers like Colton Orr when he put him on waivers to send him down http://www.thestar.c...ting-colton-orr Problem is, and the point I'm trying to make, is that a player like Pat Kaleta can't be the kind of player we want Pat kaleta to be because the league views him as a "Cheap shot Artist/@$$clown" and are watching him closely due to his reputation which leads to discipline and suspensions when i read your post, i may have jumped the gun a little. it sounded as though YOU don't want those players in the league. i am aware of the fact that kaleta is a "marked man" and that is a true bummer. it is great that lindy may have a hand in making certain players play different roles, there fore making them more valuable (kaleta, PK/shot blocker) but i don't like that these players are being steered away from their game, which i think actually devalues them i the long run. not sure if that really explains it well. sorry if not.
apuszczalowski Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 when i read your post, i may have jumped the gun a little. it sounded as though YOU don't want those players in the league. i am aware of the fact that kaleta is a "marked man" and that is a true bummer. it is great that lindy may have a hand in making certain players play different roles, there fore making them more valuable (kaleta, PK/shot blocker) but i don't like that these players are being steered away from their game, which i think actually devalues them i the long run. not sure if that really explains it well. sorry if not. I think it may devalue them a little too, but what can they do? If Kaleta wants to extend his career, he won't be able to do it going around and hitting people. Me personally, I don't have a problem with Lindy trying to make guys like him Real Hockey players first, ahead of being just an enforcer/agitator I know hitting is part of the game, but its not the entire game, teams can still be successful playing "softer" (not Sabres soft, but not running around hitting everything in sight just to make hits and get the crowds cheering). Look at Vancouver last year, they were called soft too, and they have been playing great winning hockey.
deluca67 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 Yes. I still consider myself new to the board. What's your point? You'll have a better chance of finding a Yeti than finding a point in Shrader's posts.
shrader Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 You'll have a better chance of finding a Yeti than finding a point in Shrader's posts. So you're saying I don't get to be a part of your cool little online team and use your awesome logo that you worked on for hours?
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 It's not surprising people don't want to see it. If the owner and president feel it is good enough, then I can't be upset if fans can't see it.
Knightrider Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 When I clicked on this, I thought it was going to be about potential trades... Instead, it is more "Lindy must go" stuff. I know this thread will probably sink to the bottom, but let's try to stay on subject.
Weave Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 I think the biggest problem with the Ruff/Regier regime isn't necessarily they're both incompetent, it's that they're too similar. They see the same problems, the same solutions, value the exact same thing in players, etc. There is no creative tension (that we know of) between the two. Tension can breed excellence if it results in fresh ideas being tossed around...and I just don't think the Sabres have this tension. I've had a thought in my head for some time that is more or less along these lines and didn't really know how I wanted to express it. This post is close enough for me.
Samson's Flow Posted January 31, 2012 Report Posted January 31, 2012 While I am enjoying the back and forth concerning Ruff and / or Regier ... for the record I do not think Ruff does not like toughness, but I do believe that he is couching / has coached the few tough guys we have to refine that element of their games almost out of existance, but ... To try to follow Knightrider's advise to try to stay on topic ... I think DR is looking to deal, but my fear is that he won't in a very meaningful way. Even if he is going to make deals, it isn't going to happen until the trade deadline. Relative values of players increase dramatically in that 1-2 day period.
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