Ross Rhea Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 I'm thinking we just need to shelve him for awhile. This happens. It happened to Tim Thomas. Two years ago he was complete crap. Rask was the #1 and Thomas was a serviceable backup. There were all kinds of comments about Thomas being done. Then last year.. reversed. It happens.. it does. I don't like Miller, I never have. But he's here and frankly he should be riding the pine. He should accept that his game is not where it needs to be and that Enroth needs to be in net for the team to win. If Miller starts to play well in his games (every 5-6 games) then perhaps try playing him more. as someone already stated, tim thomas was injured and tried playing through it. It didn't work out for him and he did play like crap so he opted for surgery. rask basically held down the fort until thomas was ready to return. i don't forsee thomas relinquishing his starter position anytime soon.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 as someone already stated, tim thomas was injured and tried playing through it. It didn't work out for him and he did play like crap so he opted for surgery. rask basically held down the fort until thomas was ready to return. i don't forsee thomas relinquishing his starter position anytime soon. Doesn't change the fact that Thomas was pretty terrible for his entire career until 3 years ago. I know he came to the NHL late, but he still had 3 terrible seasons, then 1 standard "Miller-type" year, 1 elite year, a crap year (injury) and another elite year. And the year of his surgery, he did a lot more than rehab. He put in significant work on his flexibility and lateral mobility. He basically put in work to get better at age 35. Miller is 31, and while he seemingly peaked with the Vezina year, it's not out of the question that he can have a strong bounce back the next few years. Just for fun...if Boston wasn't having a good year, they'd have a goaltender controversy since Rask's numbers are significantly better than Thomas' this year.
Ross Rhea Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Doesn't change the fact that Thomas was pretty terrible for his entire career until 3 years ago. I know he came to the NHL late, but he still had 3 terrible seasons, then 1 standard "Miller-type" year, 1 elite year, a crap year (injury) and another elite year. And the year of his surgery, he did a lot more than rehab. He put in significant work on his flexibility and lateral mobility. He basically put in work to get better at age 35. Miller is 31, and while he seemingly peaked with the Vezina year, it's not out of the question that he can have a strong bounce back the next few years. Just for fun...if Boston wasn't having a good year, they'd have a goaltender controversy since Rask's numbers are significantly better than Thomas' this year. I dunno. I see 1 terrible year, 06/07. 1 average year 05/06. 1 injury year 09/10 which was still average. 1 excellent year 07/08 and including this year 3 phenomenal elite years. whatever though, you obviously read stats differently than i do, and yes i also think there would be a controversy if boston weren't winning.
RazielSabre Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 I dunno. I see 1 terrible year, 06/07. 1 average year 05/06. 1 injury year 09/10 which was still average. 1 excellent year 07/08 and including this year 3 phenomenal elite years. whatever though, you obviously read stats differently than i do, and yes i also think there would be a controversy if boston weren't winning. Bearing in mind his behind one of the best organised and well suited clubs for the current NHL helps. Aside from that (Thomas is still an excellent goalie) he sucked for years and has had 2 great years with a lost year in the middle. The point is Miller isn't a 'spent force' as his had one injury/sucky season (this one), one Veniza season and an average season (last one)
Ross Rhea Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Bearing in mind his behind one of the best organised and well suited clubs for the current NHL helps. Aside from that (Thomas is still an excellent goalie) he sucked for years and has had 2 great years with a lost year in the middle. The point is Miller isn't a 'spent force' as his had one injury/sucky season (this one), one Veniza season and an average season (last one) well if thomas has sucked and only has had 2 great years what does that say for miller only having 1 great year? BTW thomas is on his way to having his 3rd year which trumps millers best year. not a boston fan at all but i love the way thomas plays, he is phenomenal
darksabre Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Well, to be quite candid, if I had a wife like DeWulf I'd want to play with her all the time to :wub: I'll be honest, I don't know how a grown man stays focused and relaxed, especially as an athlete, without gettin some regular lovin. It's a well known fact that athletes (and most people) function better when they can get it out of their systems. If I was Ryan I'd be all wound up and incapable of playing.
Buffalo Fan Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Posted January 19, 2012 cue Derek Roy not trying to be snarky, but what is this reference?
darksabre Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 not trying to be snarky, but what is this reference? I was implying that Miller would be falling on Derek's pork-sword.
Buffalo Fan Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Posted January 19, 2012 Boy after tonight's game, I'm starting to think Miller might be the only sane one in the locker room...
TheFunPolice Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 funny how Miller looked great playing on the Olympic team a fun team and good chemistry means a lot... the Sabres lockerroom must be miserable right now
RazielSabre Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 well if thomas has sucked and only has had 2 great years what does that say for miller only having 1 great year? BTW thomas is on his way to having his 3rd year which trumps millers best year. not a boston fan at all but i love the way thomas plays, he is phenomenal He fights for the puck, controls rebounds and has a damn good team in front of him who really play well when they get on a roll. As I've said before Miller isn't the problem, his open and states his mind. I do, however, have a problem with how easy Stafford losses his confidence/desire/whatever. Just to clear up Miller can be a great goalie and isn't the main problem, or even in the top 10, on this team.
LabattBlue Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 He fights for the puck, controls rebounds and has a damn good team in front of him who really play well when they get on a roll. As I've said before Miller isn't the problem, his open and states his mind. I do, however, have a problem with how easy Stafford losses his confidence/desire/whatever. Just to clear up Miller can be a great goalie and isn't the main problem, or even in the top 10, on this team. I'd like to see your list of the Sabres top 10 problems. If you don't think Miller's play this year is not part of this list, you are dreaming.
FolignosJock Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 I'd like to see your list of the Sabres top 10 problems. If you don't think Miller's play this year is not part of this list, you are dreaming. True but it is all goaltending not just miller. We havent been consistent in any aspect of play.
RazielSabre Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 I'd like to see your list of the Sabres top 10 problems. If you don't think Miller's play this year is not part of this list, you are dreaming. 1) Regier 2) Ruff/system 3) Consistent special teams play 4) Confidence 5) Center 6) Size 7) Effort 8) Finishing 9) Defense 10) Attitude ('we must have consistency because nothing is worse than change) Hon. Mention: Stafford, Roy, Leino. I'm talking about over the last few seasons, not just this one. In little order to be honest. Miller is part of the problem, but not a main problem.
Ross Rhea Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 1) Regier 2) Ruff/system 3) Consistent special teams play 4) Confidence 5) Center 6) Size 7) Effort 8) Finishing 9) Defense 10) Attitude ('we must have consistency because nothing is worse than change) Hon. Mention: Stafford, Roy, Leino. I'm talking about over the last few seasons, not just this one. In little order to be honest. Miller is part of the problem, but not a main problem. when there is no confidence that your goaltender will make saves, don't you think that permeates out to the rest of them?
shrader Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 when there is no confidence that your goaltender will make saves, don't you think that permeates out to the rest of them? Call me crazy, but if I have zero confidence in my goalie, I do everything in my power to make sure the opposing team doesn't take any shots. That's not happening here.
FolignosJock Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 when there is no confidence that your goaltender will make saves, don't you think that permeates out to the rest of them? When there is no confidence that your team will score goals, dont you think that permeates to the goalie? It is a two way street man
deluca67 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 He fights for the puck, controls rebounds and has a damn good team in front of him who really play well when they get on a roll. As I've said before Miller isn't the problem, his open and states his mind. I do, however, have a problem with how easy Stafford losses his confidence/desire/whatever. Just to clear up Miller can be a great goalie and isn't the main problem, or even in the top 10, on this team. What are the 10 bigger issues with this team than the centerpiece goaltender crapping the bed with a 3.12 gaa and a .898 save percentage? How much better of a position would the Sabres be in if Miller could have just matched Enroth's 2.59 gaa and .919 save percentage?
apuszczalowski Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 What are the 10 bigger issues with this team than the centerpiece goaltender crapping the bed with a 3.12 gaa and a .898 save percentage? How much better of a position would the Sabres be in if Miller could have just matched Enroth's 2.59 gaa and .919 save percentage? Yeah, cause Enroth sure showed everyone last night that its just Miller having a bad year
FolignosJock Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah, cause Enroth sure showed everyone last night that its just Miller having a bad year :P
deluca67 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah, cause Enroth sure showed everyone last night that its just Miller having a bad year Even after letting in 6 goals his numbers are far better than Miller's. Another big difference between the goalies is that Enroth's bad games, and there have been too many for my liking, are not followed by the vast amount of excuses that come after Miller's.
RazielSabre Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 What are the 10 bigger issues with this team than the centerpiece goaltender crapping the bed with a 3.12 gaa and a .898 save percentage? How much better of a position would the Sabres be in if Miller could have just matched Enroth's 2.59 gaa and .919 save percentage? Depends, would the team still be this ######? if so we wouldn't be any better off. And if you want 10 issues read up. Even after letting in 6 goals his numbers are far better than Miller's. Another big difference between the goalies is that Enroth's bad games, and there have been too many for my liking, are not followed by the vast amount of excuses that come after Miller's. How does 'I need to be better, the team needs to be better' (or similar rhetoric) an 'excuse'? Call me crazy, but if I have zero confidence in my goalie, I do everything in my power to make sure the opposing team doesn't take any shots. That's not happening here. +1 when there is no confidence that your goaltender will make saves, don't you think that permeates out to the rest of them? You really think the reason we're not scoring is because we don't have the confidence our goalie can make the save? Thats a little backwards to say the least.
apuszczalowski Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 Even after letting in 6 goals his numbers are far better than Miller's. Another big difference between the goalies is that Enroth's bad games, and there have been too many for my liking, are not followed by the vast amount of excuses that come after Miller's. His numbers are far better? The only spot where theres a big difference is in GAA, and Enroths is lower by 0.53 (3.12 to 2.59) Everywhere also the stats are close. Theres a difference in save percentage of .0.21 (.919 to .898), and that works out to a difference of .84 saves a game more for Enroth (if you use 40 saves a game as a base). Wins and losses are basically the same, Miller has 3 more wins and 3 more losses then Enroth. AS for the excuses, what do you expect? When have you ever heard them go and grill Enroth during an interview for giving up 6+ goals (The refs gave him a break and didn't include that one goal that should have counted last night).
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