deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 If anyone caught the Ducks - Oilers game you would have caught Mark Spector's comment about discussions Ducks GM Bob Murray had with Sabres GM Darcy Regier about the possibility of moving Miller. No names on the Ducks side were mentioned by Murray, but it was speculated by Spector that a Hiller/Ryan package for Miller+ was most likely the central components discussed. Not knowing a great deal about Spector but it was an intermission telecast, so I'm guessing he has some credibility. I have proposed a couple of Miller to the Ducks trades already this season. It makes great sense for both teams.
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 I have proposed a couple of Miller to the Ducks trades already this season. It makes great sense for both teams. I would have no issue as long as we get a physical scoring center out of the deal. Is Miller for Getzalf a fair trade or could be good for both needing a change in scenery
deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 I would have no issue as long as we get a physical scoring center out of the deal. Is Miller for Getzalf a fair trade or could be good for both needing a change in scenery The Ducks would never take Miller straight up for Getzlaf. Miller is a better goalie than Hiller, he's just not a Ryan Getzlaf better. The Sabres will have to put together a smart package. They are going to have to replace what the Ducks are giving up. Scoring, size and toughness. The only player that is comparable is possibly Myers, most of Myers value is potential based.
lost in dc Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 come on people, give myers a break. legit injury and dealing with new dance partners this season. look who getzlaff is skating with. it's all about the chemistry or the linemates. maybe when things settle down, we'll see who should be traded.
deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 come on people, give myers a break. legit injury and dealing with new dance partners this season. look who getzlaff is skating with. it's all about the chemistry or the linemates. maybe when things settle down, we'll see who should be traded. The idea of Getzlaf on a line with Vanek is all I need to pull the trigger on the deal. No one is suggesting anthing other than Myers being a really good player. If he wasn't then there would be no point in putting him into a possible trade scenario. Myers is a valuable asset, it is going to take a valuable asset to land a Ryan Getzlaf.
North Buffalo Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 The idea of Getzlaf on a line with Vanek is all I need to pull the trigger on the deal. No one is suggesting anthing other than Myers being a really good player. If he wasn't then there would be no point in putting him into a possible trade scenario. Myers is a valuable asset, it is going to take a valuable asset to land a Ryan Getzlaf. Agreed, and at first blush, I would say no to the trade, straight up. I would do it with the Ducks though if they gave up their first round draft choice as compensation for the age difference. The Sabres can afford with all their D in the pipeline to give up Myers, but he is such a unique talent and they are so much better with him in the lineup, I think they need to get more than just Getzlaf.
deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 I agree -- Getzlaf is better. But I'd rather have Parise PLUS Myers than Getzlaf. I'd rather have Getzlaf on a line with Vanek than have Parise center that line and Myers on the back end. IMO, Getzlaf represents the opposite of the prototypical Sabre, Parise sort of falls into the Sabres prototype. Parise would be an upgrade, just a little too familiar, talented and smallish forward
Who Else? Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 The Western Conference is supposedly a more rough and tumble one than the Eastern Conference, according to certain people on this board. You must have missed the memo. There is a differense between rough and tumble and tight checking. In the Western conference in general there is more open areas for forwards. They may fight more out west, that does not mean there is more clutching and grabbing. I assume when you say most people you are speaking for yourself and don't watch much in the west.
deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Agreed, and at first blush, I would say no to the trade, straight up. I would do it the Ducks though if they gave up their first round draft choice as compensation for the age difference. The Sabres can afford with all their D in the pipeline to give up Myers, but he is such a unique talent and they are so much better with him in the lineup, I think they need to get more than just Getzlaf. The Ducks would not give up Getzlaf and a 1st for a yet unproven defenseman. As I said, Myers value is pretty much all in his potential. Getzlaf is an established star in the league.
North Buffalo Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 The Ducks would not give up Getzlaf and a 1st for a yet unproven defenseman. As I said, Myers value is pretty much all in his potential. Getzlaf is an established star in the league. I understand what you are saying, but I wouldn't pull the trigger straight up unless I got something more in the way of a high draft pick because of the age of Myers v Getzlaf. I agree with you on Parise generally, but wouldn't mind having him if it meant dumping Roy and Stafford and maybe an Ennis for a draft pick with Parise. Still means that Getzlaf should be considered, but not for Myers. McNabb and last year's 1st rounder? There is a differense between rough and tumble and tight checking. In the Western conference in general there is more open areas for forwards. They may fight more out west, that does not mean there is more clutching and grabbing. I assume when you say most people you are speaking for yourself and don't watch much in the west. Used to be more rough and tumble, but that is changing rapidly. Wings, Hawks and Sharks still play rough, haven't seen Dallas in a while, but the rest of the west has become more of a skating game with the open ice. Boston, Philli, Ottowa, Pitt, Toronto and Buffalo are a lot more physical. So is Florida, Only DC and Montreal have regressed. Look at where all the concussions are happening this year.
Weave Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Agreed, and at first blush, I would say no to the trade, straight up. I would do it with the Ducks though if they gave up their first round draft choice as compensation for the age difference. The Sabres can afford with all their D in the pipeline to give up Myers, but he is such a unique talent and they are so much better with him in the lineup, I think they need to get more than just Getzlaf. The Ducks would not give up Getzlaf and a 1st for a yet unproven defenseman. As I said, Myers value is pretty much all in his potential. Getzlaf is an established star in the league. I understand what you are saying, but I wouldn't pull the trigger straight up unless I got something more in the way of a high draft pick because of the age of Myers v Getzlaf. I agree with you on Parise generally, but wouldn't mind having him if it meant dumping Roy and Stafford and maybe an Ennis for a draft pick with Parise. Still means that Getzlaf should be considered, but not for Myers. McNabb and last year's 1st rounder? You make that work by both teams giving up a little something for now and a little something for later. Myers being the later, you'd add a vet to the trade. Maybe that is where we get rid of an unwanted player. And get Getzlaf and that pick (or a high end prospect) in return.
deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 You make that work by both teams giving up a little something for now and a little something for later. Myers being the later, you'd add a vet to the trade. Maybe that is where we get rid of an unwanted player. And get Getzlaf and that pick (or a high end prospect) in return. Miller/Myers for Hiller/Getzlaf is a fair deal. Getzlaf is only 26 years old which makes him a player for now and a player for later. Barring injury he is a guy you can expect in the lineup for the next 10+ years.
Weave Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Miller/Myers for Hiller/Getzlaf is a fair deal. Getzlaf is only 26 years old which makes him a player for now and a player for later. Barring injury he is a guy you can expect in the lineup for the next 10+ years. Contractually Getzlaf is not a player for later.
deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Contractually Getzlaf is not a player for later. Any deal would be contingent on a contract extension. I don't want Getzlaf for a year and a half. I want him signed for 10 years.
Weave Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Any deal would be contingent on a contract extension. I don't want Getzlaf for a year and a half. I want him signed for 10 years. I agree with you. But that contingency means it is not a deal that could be done now. Upthread it was mentioned that he can't be signed to an extension until July 1, right?
North Buffalo Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Miller/Myers for Hiller/Getzlaf is a fair deal. Getzlaf is only 26 years old which makes him a player for now and a player for later. Barring injury he is a guy you can expect in the lineup for the next 10+ years. That is fine too, but I want a draft pick out of that deal. Miller though not playing great is better than Hiller and Myers in my opinion is a one of a kind, whereas Getzlaf if very talented, but not at Myers level lifetime. Give me a first round draft choice and I would throw in Stafford. Contract extension issue resolved as well.
carpandean Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Any deal would be contingent on a contract extension. I don't want Getzlaf for a year and a half. I want him signed for 10 years. I agree with you. But that contingency means it is not a deal that could be done now. Upthread it was mentioned that he can't be signed to an extension until July 1, right? Exactly. If you want a guarantee of more than a year and a half, you have to wait six and a half months.
shrader Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 calling them rentals makes it any better??????? I was under the impression that you were implying that Darcy shouldn't bring in a guy in need of a change of scenery because of the way those trades worked. This would be a very different trade then those deals.
North Buffalo Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 I was under the impression that you were implying that Darcy shouldn't bring in a guy in need of a change of scenery because of the way those trades worked. This would be a very different trade then those deals. Hence why I would not give up Myers straight up. Given the contract issue as well, I would demand a first rounder as well.
... Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 You guys are talking about trading a player who has peaked and is now floundering ala Stafford and Boyes, for a player still developing and growing into their role. The former, Getzlaf, is no more a leader than any Sabre, and, indeed, could have as much of a negative impact on the team's psyche as Roy and Stafford do, considering where Anaheim is at right now. The latter, Myers, clearly makes the team better when he's in the line-up and can lead by example if nothing else. This trade makes no sense by itself - Getzlaf has the same issues that we complain about in current Sabres.
deluca67 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 I agree with you. But that contingency means it is not a deal that could be done now. Upthread it was mentioned that he can't be signed to an extension until July 1, right? Doesn't mean you can't agree to a deal before then.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Doesn't mean you can't agree to a deal before then. I agree, but I would want something more than just "his word" that he will sign an extension. Not sure how all that would work, but for me that is the deal breaker.
qwksndmonster Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Doesn't mean you can't agree to a deal before then. Isn't it illegal under the CBA?
spndnchz Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 Isn't it illegal under the CBA? Anaheim could talk to him about it. But they couldn't re-sign him until after July 1. While he is with Anaheim it would be definitely illegal under the CBA for the Sabres to talk with him.
LTS Posted January 14, 2012 Report Posted January 14, 2012 There is a differense between rough and tumble and tight checking. In the Western conference in general there is more open areas for forwards. They may fight more out west, that does not mean there is more clutching and grabbing. I assume when you say most people you are speaking for yourself and don't watch much in the west. If you look at what Regehr said when he came over to the Sabres you'll see that he indicated the West played a more man on man style of hockey whereas the East plays a more zone style coverage. It makes for less open space on the ice and a bit harder to move around. I think if you extrapolate that into what can happen when players have a bit more space to roam you'll see somewhat bigger hits, a little bit more skating, etc. Anyway.. as for the trade Miller to Anaheim? Yes please... now. I've always wondered if they could trade Leino to the Ducks.. imagine him playing with Koivu, Selanne, and Lydman.. sometimes it's nice to have fellow countrymen around, ask Detroit. I don't see it happening.. but I wonder.
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