FolignosJock Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Myers is the Sabres number 1 asset. He is only 21. A Myers for Getszalf trade would rank with the dumbest moves ever in the NHL, along with the classic Mike Milbury move of trading Charra to Ottawa plus the #2 pick in the draft (Spezza) for Alexi Yashin when Charra was at a similar point in his career -still young and struggling but tons of potential. How did that work out? If the Sabres were going to trade Myers, which I cannot see happening at all, it would have to be for one hell of a lot more than Ryan Getzalf. Its no wonder Anaheim would want to make this move - it would be the steal of the century. Well ottawa never even went to a cup with chara so i guess it was a lose lose for both teams
MDFan Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Well ottawa never even went to a cup with chara so i guess it was a lose lose for both teams Really? Hard to argue with that "logic".
SabresMojo Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 The bolded part makes zero sense. If you see what I quoted/bolded, it said "6'8" defensemen with good scoring and great skating ability do not just grow on trees." Meaning that if they did, Myers would have been gone yesterday and we can just get another one. Make sense now?
Who Else? Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Voted no to the trade Remember Getzlaf played his whole career in the western conference. As a whole the western conference competion play a more open game. I don't know what kind of numbers a center can put up over here. Myers is a proven commodity in as far as he is very good and 21 yrs old. Getzlaf in the East=Unproven. A different point on the same note, I have a hard time beliving a player like Roy has no interest from any team especially out west where that style might suit him better. Calgary took Cammalari back. Also on the McNabb front, some of the same people who are destroying Grags, probably gave him similar amounts of praise after about as many games.
Strow Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Just something to think about maybe a little comparssion maybe, but how well did the Yashin Chara trade work out for both teams. That just jumped into my head when I saw a number one center traded for a young blue liner that was big.
nfreeman Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Added a poll. I like polls. Strong mod move. I voted no. As I mentioned above, Getzlaf's contract is a deal-breaker for me. I'm not sure which way I would vote if Getzlaf had the same contract as Myers, and frankly I'm kinda glad I don't have to decide.
Tyrannustyrannus Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Per WGR. ANA does NOT want roy or stafford. They want Myers. If we give them Myers, Getzlaf will be in a sabres jersey tmr night. DO THE DEAL DARCY! I would say that Myers is our only player we should not trade under any circumstance...
james duncan Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Added a poll. I like polls. So many lines, so little time...
beerme1 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 This thread is a hack job. I'm not even going to bother to quote people: People saying Getzlaf is a sure thing: Really? The guy plays with two very offensive talents in the NHL, where was Perry in scoring last year? Oh yea, 3rd, with 50G. That makes anyone around you look better. Ryan was 21st in scoring, Getzlaf was 14th. Who's he playing with here? Vanek and Pominville? I suppose that would be great, they are both in the top 20 in scoring or are you putting him with someone else on the team in the hopes that he raises their level of play? Do you put him with Stafford? It's not a slam dunk. I also believe the "C" talk about him is true. Myers is not the best "D" on the team: I see this but no one says who is better. Myers is physical enough but he removes the puck from a player with his reach more often. Myers skates as well as ANY of our "D" and controls the puck on the rush WAY BETTER than anyone else. His offensive ability is outstanding.. tell me again who scored the Sabres only goal against WPG.. you know, the one where people said he was the reason they lost. It's not about win now.. the Sabres CAN'T win now.. it's impossible. It's about win next year or the year after. Shed the dead weight, strengthen through FA, and let your young talent who is bigger in size, etc. become the core. I'd write more now but I have to go to a meeting. While people are fawning over your post I have a couple of objections to it besides also agreeiong with a lot of it. If Getzlaf was playing with Pom and Van dont tell me that isnt good and maybe Perry is scoring because of Getlaf. Maybe Van goes over 50. Dont tell me we CANT win now. I'm as pessimistic as anyone right now but Miller COULD return to form and solve the problem almost single handedly. I don't expect it but it COULD happen. Roy or Stafford could wake up. Enroth could too. There is a lot that they can fix. Good luck in your meeting. Your probably going to answer someones question with a reply like: I think the upside of keeping Myers is great and I wouldn't trade him for Getzlaf. lol
obstructedorangeseats Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Voted 'no' on the new poll. Not because I overvalue Myers or dispute the value of a physical center like Getzlaf (which is what this team desperately needs, more physical forwards), but because of the contract status which others have pointed out. 1 year of Getzlaf ≠ the years of cost-controlled Myers. From what I've read here, deferring to those who know more about contracts and the NHLPA rules, I assume that it wouldn't be possible to trade for Getzlaf with the extension coming as part of the deal (ala MLB, which I'm more familiar with).
james duncan Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Voted no for my prior reasons. I like Getzlaf. I love Myers. Other than his name recognition and occassional highlights/Olympics, as he plays for a western team, I honestly wonder how many of us have seen enough of Getzlaf to know he's what we need.
LGR4GM Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Added a poll. I like polls. I was going to suggest that, thxs. never mind I found it. So: Tyler Myers has played in 22games. The Sabres as a team have allowed 57ga and have scored 55g so the math breaks down to: 2.5gpga 2.59gaa For games that Myers has played in In the 20 games he missed due to benching and injury. 2.6gpga 3.3gaa or a 14% increase in goals allowed (66) with a 6.5% (52) decrease in goals scored. Does anyone honestly think Getzlaf can make up a 20.5% scoring differential? I do not. Disclaimer: I did this quickly at work so if I miscalculated or missed a goal here or there I apologize.
carpandean Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 From what I've read here, deferring to those who know more about contracts and the NHLPA rules, I assume that it wouldn't be possible to trade for Getzlaf with the extension coming as part of the deal (ala MLB, which I'm more familiar with). Basically, extensions can only be signed in the final year of the current contract (and after January 1st, or something like that, for one-year deals.) As such, Getzlaf will have far more value on July 1, 2012 than he does now. I'd still give up a lot hoping that after a year-and-a-half we'd be able to re-sign him, but not nearly as much as I'd be willing to give up seven months from now (assuming Anaheim would give permission to negotiate with him prior to the trade.) As others have said, I'm glad that I don't have to make the decision between the two if Getzlaf were to magically have a few more years on his deal.
obstructedorangeseats Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Basically, extensions can only be signed in the final year of the current contract (and after January 1st, or something like that, for one-year deals.) As such, Getzlaf will have far more value on July 1, 2012 than he does now. I'd still give up a lot hoping that after a year-and-a-half we'd be able to re-sign him, but not nearly as much as I'd be willing to give up seven months from now (assuming Anaheim would give permission to negotiate with him prior to the trade.) As others have said, I'm glad that I don't have to make the decision between the two if Getzlaf were to magically have a few more years on his deal. Many thanks for the clarification. One of the reasons I lurked these boards for so long was to soak up the info like this. Good stuff! :)
RazielSabre Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Who are those last 3 players that you mentioned? Obviously Regier's laced up skates in a weird 3 legged hockey player way with Regehr. I think Leion is a car and Erhoff is a disease. Helpful? :D
qwksndmonster Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 4 out of 5 fans that look forward to a Hopeful Future agree with this post. Well written, and very true. Name dropping yourself??? ;)
korab rules Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 4 out of 5 fans that look forward to a Hopeful Future agree with this post. Well written, and very true. What leads you to believe there are five? :ph34r:
spndnchz Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 What leads you to believe there are five? :ph34r: It's Mike Grier with a blindfold on! I always loved that one.
Carmel Corn Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 McNabb should not be considered as a replacement for Myers.....I want to see BOTH of them on this team for a LONG time.
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 As someone who lives just 30 minutes from the Honda Center I watch a lot of Ducks hockey. The fact that we are even discussing this trade speaks volumes to me at the horrendous holes we have at center. The Ducks are obviously trying to exploit our weakness here and I hope that management don't panic and pull of a trade like this. I get the feeling that people here are excited about this trade based on name recognition only, and that the attach the value of 2009 Getzlaf to the current player. So far this year (and parts of last year) Getzlaf is the Ducks version of Derek Roy, granted bigger and more physical, but with the same burning desire to win and carry the team... There's a reason why the Ducks are playing absolutely horrible this year, and it's pretty much the exact same situation as in Buffalo. There are no one to step up and lead the team. I highly doubt that a player like Getzlaf will step into the Sabres locker room and shake things up. Getz pretty much rode the coat tails of Corey Perry last year, with Perry returning to normal this year Getzlaf's game is getting exposed. This is double true for Bobby Ryan by the way who is a terrible player, basically the exact same type of player as Stafford, with less upside. To look a little further north. The LA Kings had to pay over $7.5 a year to sign Drew Doughty, a player I feel is a lesser player than Tyler Myers. We have Myers locked up for almost a decade at $5.5. That is an absolute steal. To me there is absolutely no way you trade that for Getzlaf's short contract when there is nothing to indicate that Getzlaf will be more than a modest upgrade. Finally, to the people touting McNabb as Myers equal: Getzlaf for Myers hurts, but at least I can see why the deal is being discussed and how people have different opinions of the deal. Consider for a second a McNabb for Getzlaf deal. Does it make sense? If Myers and McNabb are basically equally valuable, that trade would make as much sense, right? In reality such a trade is ludicrous.
HopefulFuture Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 What leads you to believe there are five? :ph34r: ok, ok, you got me, but when I asked the drunk at the end of the bar, he murmered some words and the 4 of us standing there could have sworn it sounded like "Let's go Buffalo". Of course, he could have been saying "Let's get some blow" :oops:
shrader Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 That's how trades of established players work the majority of the time though. Teams aren't going to dump the guy who is thriving there. They're going to move the guy who is struggling and really isn't helping the team at that point. Short of contractual issues, a team isn't going to move that player who is thriving.
LaFontaineToMogilny Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 That's how trades of established players work the majority of the time though. Teams aren't going to dump the guy who is thriving there. They're going to move the guy who is struggling and really isn't helping the team at that point. Short of contractual issues, a team isn't going to move that player who is thriving. I get that, but why would the Sabres bail out the Ducks with a trade like this? Or are we saying that Myers is struggling in Buffalo as well and that we're trading potential for potential? It's still a pretty one sided deal in my opinion. What if Getzlaf doesn't 'flourish' in a new environment and is still the same player he's been the past year and a half or so? Getzlaf doesn't skate hard, has a rough touch around the net and coughs up the puck leaving the zone quite consistently. We already have Derek Roy to do all this, so why ship Myers out and risk getting a bigger Roy in return? Someone else have been pegging a Roy, McNabb and pick(s) trade for Getzlaf, and that is currently a pretty decent value deal I think. The Ducks won't do it though, because they are married to what they think is Getzlaf's potential, and not really being interested in trading him at all. I believe the Ducks are stirring the trade rumors to try to light the fire under their first line, not really looking for a trade unless an absolute steal comes along. I don't want Myers for Getzlaf to be that steal.
shrader Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I'm not commenting on that deal at all. It's just pure speculation and I don't see the point in addressing it. Basically all I wanted to say that if you're going to add a center, it's not going to wind up being someone currently sitting near the top of the points list. It's going to be a struggling player. That's the same exact reason why this team will find some sort of return for Derek Roy or Drew Stafford when/if they start looking (and the key phrase there is "some sort of return", so I hope no one tries to turn this into the typical Roy for Malkin crap)
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