deluca67 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 There is another alternative: dump some combination of Roy, Stafford and Leopold in order to clear cap space for an elite UFA like, say, Zach Parise, who is 27, playing center this year and would immediately become the Sabres' best forward. Parise is a nice player. He just doesn't bring the physical presence a Getzlaf does. Parise would be the best player on the Sabres, no doubt.
Weave Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 There is another alternative: dump some combination of Roy, Stafford and Leopold in order to clear cap space for an elite UFA like, say, Zach Parise, who is 27, playing center this year and would immediately become the Sabres' best forward. That isn't a sure thing though. We could (and should) move Roy, Staff, Leo (well maybe) and then lose out in the Parise auction. If we take the report at face value, we have a sure thing path to an elite/near elite center with size, agression, and leadership. Parise is alot of maybes. Maybe he doesn;t get signed by NJ. Maybe Buffalo is the highest bidder. Maybe Parise doesn;t have a preferred team already selected. The only reason right now that I might reconsider Myers for Getzlaf is Getz's contract status. They turned down Kane straight up for Meyers why the hell would they trade him for getzlaff..I like Getzlaf but I dont like him enuff to trade any of Kassian Meyers Mcnabb or Vanek....Give any other 2 sabres for him all day but those players are the ones we need to build around.. Yep..Let them bottom out and draft your big time center Myers vs Getzlaf is pretty close to even up over the next 5 yrs IMO. Getzlaf > "The Others" by themselves all day long. Hands down.
Bmwolf21 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Getzlaf is over the hill at the age of 26? :blink: Damn. if 26 is over the hill, I'm really in trouble.
Ross Rhea Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Damn. if 26 is over the hill, I'm really in trouble. yeah, your not the only one :beer:
Neo Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 meh At this particular point in time ... your post has three letters and two "plus" marks ... that's a shooting percentage.
spndnchz Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 At this particular point in time ... your post has three letters and two "plus" marks ... that's a shooting percentage. Everyone talks about some rebuilding phase that is needed. Why would we do this there are UFA's that are available why why why?
SabreFX Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 As great as it would be to have Getzlaf (I hope), I can't agree with the sentiment that his presence would mean the Sabres make the playoffs. One great center would not change the fact that our defense routinely allows 40 or more shots in a game. Losing Myers wouldn't help that either. It's true that we have defensemen and lack centers, but the defensemen we have need to shut down their own zone or it won't matter if Getzlaf scores a goal EVERY game. itbeatswalking also makes an effort to point out during pretty much every GDT that this team will not make the playoffs with Miller in goal. Will Getzlaf be amazing enough to overcome Miller's weaknesses? I say hold on to Myers for now and work to get Getzlaf through other means.
spndnchz Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 In my mind our defense is set we just need to proactively build our scoring forwards. Just not at the expense of our defense
Rico7 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Per WGR. ANA does NOT want roy or stafford. They want Myers. If we give them Myers, Getzlaf will be in a sabres jersey tmr night. DO THE DEAL DARCY! Absolutely not. Cut off nose to spite face kind of trade. The same people saying to do the deal are the ones that will be crying about it in a couple years saying I wish we had a player like Myers. Myers is NOT the problem with this team. I know you need to give up somethingto get something. We have plenty of other young prospects that would be of great value to any team. Think about those guys first in a trade scenario with anyteam.
LabattBlue Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Yep..Let them bottom out and draft your big time center You mean the center who may or may not pan out, whowould be 2-3 years away on a team that has NO center depth at all, and the one we have is playing his way out of town? You want that instead of Getzlaf?
Weave Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Everyone talks about some rebuilding phase that is needed. Why would we do this there are UFA's that are available why why why? Because none of them bring what Getzlaf brings. And there is only one that is even close to Getzlaf in terms of potential impact to our team. And none of them are sure things to end up on our roster. Besides, why does it have to be an either - or thing? Why not go out and get our dominant center AND get more talent via FA?
radiomike Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Absolutely not. Cut off nose to spite face kind of trade. The same people saying to do the deal are the ones that will be crying about it in a couple years saying I wish we had a player like Myers. Myers is NOT the problem with this team. I know you need to give up somethingto get something. We have plenty of other young prospects that would be of great value to any team. Think about those guys first in a trade scenario with anyteam. We won't be crying because McNabb will be back in our end taking names on a regular basis. No one said Myers was the problem - our problem is a lack of anything that resembles a good center. The winner of any trade is the team who gets the better player - Getzlaf is the better player, both now and the near future. Long term it could most likely be a wash. Our defense is deep and mediocre even with Myers - I would do this all day long and not look back.
Neo Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Thoughts ... with the benefit of hindsight, admittedly ... would trading Myers be more, or less, a desperation reach than the big dollar FA signings of Leino and Ehrhoff? In the interest of full disclosure and fairness, I applauded both signings at the time ...
LabattBlue Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 In my mind our defense is set we just need to proactively build our scoring forwards. Just not at the expense of our defense Chz...we are not seeing the same thing. I know sometimes players take time to mesh, but do you honestly feel the play of the blueliners is what you expected from them when this group was assembled in the offseason? All 3 groups(forwards, defense & goaltending) have all been underwhelming with the exception of a few indivuduals.
carpandean Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Yep..Let them bottom out and draft your big time center Problem is, this is the only "big time center" in this year's draft ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7XWXdlzfrA Blew out his knee and had surgery. He will still be drafted high, but he's a lot less likely to be NHL-ready right away. The rest of the draft class is defensemen and a couple of wingers (Nail at #1.)
Bmwolf21 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Everyone talks about some rebuilding phase that is needed. Why would we do this there are UFA's that are available why why why? Who are the potential UFA centers this offseason?
K-9 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Is anybody concerned about the kind of season Getzlaf is having this year? Does that not raise a few red flags? If he's part of the problem in Anaheim, why would he necessarily be part of the solution here? I fully get that we need a #1 C, but is he all upside right now? GO SABRES!!!
Weave Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Chz...we are not seeing the same thing. I know sometimes players take time to mesh, but do you honestly feel the play of the blueliners is what you expected from them when this group was assembled in the offseason? All 3 groups(forwards, defense & goaltending) have all been underwhelming with the exception of a few indivuduals. Personally, I think this group of defensemen will seem a whole lot better when we get some forwards in here that will keep pressure on the other teams D instead of one rush, one shot, a turnover, and the puck is back into our zone. Who are the potential UFA centers this offseason? There isn't alot, just like the past two offseasons. Parise if you like the idea of another converted winger, Jarret Stoll, a few old guys.
thesportsbuff Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I think this is a fair question. Does McNabb make Myers expendable in fan's minds? Absolutely. I consider McNabb a better prospect than Myers right now. The alternative is to move players like Stafford and Roy for lesser players and hope the different mix is enough to move us forward. It is a lower risk game, but the reward is likely lower as well. There is no reward to that game. We need a big move. Having a REAL center could make our Staffords and Leino play like real players. There is another alternative: dump some combination of Roy, Stafford and Leopold in order to clear cap space for an elite UFA like, say, Zach Parise, who is 27, playing center this year and would immediately become the Sabres' best forward. That's an alternative, sure. So was Brad Richards, and Pegula & Co. backed out of even meeting with him. It's going to be the same bidding war for Parise and there's no guarantee we win it. Then where's that leave us? They turned down Kane straight up for Meyers why the hell would they trade him for getzlaff..I like Getzlaf but I dont like him enuff to trade any of Kassian Meyers Mcnabb or Vanek.... LMao, they turned down Kane for Myers straight up... sure they did. Source?
LGR4GM Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Everyone talks about some rebuilding phase that is needed. Why would we do this there are UFA's that are available why why why? Agreed. Trading Myers for Getzlaf is going in the wrong direction considering McNabb has shown nowhere near the ceiling that Myers has even many have anointed him the second coming of "Pronger". We are not that deep at defense. Just because we have a lot defensemen does not mean they are all good. MAG is a good example. Also ask yourself who do you think will be better in 3 years? I'll bet 50$ on Myers. Absolutely. I consider McNabb a better prospect than Myers right now. ummmm what? Myers isn't a prospect for 1 and WHAT? A prospect is better than our best defenseman... McNabb isn't even been than Myers so far this season. Good god people lay off the booze and wake up.
thesportsbuff Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Agreed. Trading Myers for Getzlaf is going in the wrong direction considering McNabb has shown nowhere near the ceiling that Myers has even many have anointed him the second coming of "Pronger". We are not that deep at defense. Just because we have a lot defensemen does not mean they are all good. MAG is a good example. Also ask yourself who do you think will be better in 3 years? I'll bet 50$ on Myers. Ok, well hate to burst your bubble, but we're not going to have the cap space to sign Parise or any "elite" UFA (there are none besides Parise) without unloading something. Secondly, we are deep at defense. We have 8 NHL defenseman on our roster, and Myers has been FAR from the best of them.
Weave Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 This is the thread that could go forever. Really, this is pretty much an even up trade as far as value is concerned (at least IMO it is even). Opinion is going to be split. Oh, and Liger, I'd be really tempted to take your bet if there was a rational way you could make a better-worse comparison among the two.
K-9 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Absolutely. I consider McNabb a better prospect than Myers right now. There is no reward to that game. We need a big move. Having a REAL center could make our Staffords and Leino play like real players. That's an alternative, sure. So was Brad Richards, and Pegula & Co. backed out of even meeting with him. It's going to be the same bidding war for Parise and there's no guarantee we win it. Then where's that leave us? LMao, they turned down Kane for Myers straight up... sure they did. Source? Brad Richards was NEVER an alternative for anybody but the Rangers. GO SABRES!!!
spndnchz Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Chz...we are not seeing the same thing. I know sometimes players take time to mesh, but do you honestly feel the play of the blueliners is what you expected from them when this group was assembled in the offseason? All 3 groups(forwards, defense & goaltending) have all been underwhelming with the exception of a few indivuduals. I have to admit that my initial thinking was forwards and build from there because scoring was always more fancy. With the way goaltending is going I now see defense is more important. If we can get goaltending back to where we were, now not without Miller or Enroth because I think they can do the duty but I would keep defense as currently structured. I think you can take us far if we were to have a veteran leader Centerman. IMO
thesportsbuff Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Agreed. Trading Myers for Getzlaf is going in the wrong direction considering McNabb has shown nowhere near the ceiling that Myers has even many have anointed him the second coming of "Pronger". We are not that deep at defense. Just because we have a lot defensemen does not mean they are all good. MAG is a good example. Also ask yourself who do you think will be better in 3 years? I'll bet 50$ on Myers. ummmm what? Myers isn't a prospect for 1 and WHAT? A prospect is better than our best defenseman... McNabb isn't even been than Myers so far this season. Good god people lay off the booze and wake up. At 21 years old, I still consider Myers a bit of a prospect. You assume he's going to be the next Chara-- that's your prospective opinion on him. Unless you think he's done developing and is the player he is going to be for the rest of his career -- then he is no longer a prospect. Furthermore, McNabb has outperformed Myers substantially. Myers had a great rookie year and has been terrible ever since. You call him our best defenseman.... hahahahaha. That's a good one.
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