waldo Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 We don't need Myers. Why does everybody think that we are going to be able to throw them 2-3 crappy offensive players to get their best? They need defense, we need offense! You need to give up good players to get them. Getzlaf would make this team a lot better. But, hey, it sounds like most of you guys who complain about the losses and turnovers and point Myers out when you're watching each game, are ok with where the team is at, so fine, don't complain next time that we can't score and then Myers turns the puck over for the 4th season in a row. Keep dreaming about Myers with the Norris. Don't be complaining when we don't make the playoffs this year. Anybody watching the games this year can see our offense is what we need. BYE BYE MYERS They love to dream and speculate about him but never take the time to actually wach his game.Or maybe they do and it is just those rose glasses.. Does he have potential..yes . Is it can't miss Weber level potential. I do not think so. Do 20 other kids in the NHL have similar levels of potential...yes. How often does potential actually materialize in the NHL? I like the kid.. If he was what some here think he is, a future top 10 d man? I can definitively say not yet. McNabb has a bigger upside imo...
carpandean Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 My biggest concern is that Getzlaf has one more year left on his contract after this one, which means nobody - not Anaheim, nor whoever trades for him - can even talk to him about an extension until July 1. He could play here for a year and a half, then decide at 28 to cash in on the UFA market. There's more chance that they retain him under Pegula, but you never know. He may have a team or coach that he really wants to play for like Richards did.
waldo Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 My biggest concern is that Getzlaf has one more year left on his contract after this one, which means nobody - not Anaheim, nor whoever trades for him - can even talk to him about an extension until July 1. He could play here for a year and a half, then decide at 28 to cash in on the UFA market. There's more chance that they retain him under Pegula, but you never know. He may have a team or coach that he really wants to play for like Richards did. And you hit the real problem on the head. If the rumor was true..a strait up trade for Myers. He would be packing right now. But not without a contract extension..That would be silly and a waste of all that Myers "potential".
LabattBlue Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 My biggest concern is that Getzlaf has one more year left on his contract after this one, which means nobody - not Anaheim, nor whoever trades for him - can even talk to him about an extension until July 1. He could play here for a year and a half, then decide at 28 to cash in on the UFA market. There's more chance that they retain him under Pegula, but you never know. He may have a team or coach that he really wants to play for like Richards did. Good point. My mistake that in order for the trade to happen Getzlaf would have to sign a new deal.
deluca67 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Myers for Getzlaf? Hell yes you make that deal. A true #1 center with size and skill that likes to hit. I really doubt Myers by himself gets the trade done. The Sabres would have to sweeten the pot.
wonderbread Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 As mentioned above that would be a lot to give up for getzlafs limited contract. However if I was Darcy there would be a fire sale This year. If there gonna tank it I'd like them bring in some fortifying pieces. In regards to Myers, i dont see him stepping up and filling the leadership role they need.
HopefulFuture Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Staal, Kesler, Sharp, Thornton -- All big NO's to being better than Getzlaf. I do the trade in a heartbeat. I said it before -- it will take Myers to get anyones attention for a #1 center. I do agree it will take Myers to get that attention. I completely disagree with giving him away in a trade for Getzlaf. If Myers is leaving for a center, think names like Toews, Stamkos, Kopitar or Tavares. Myers is young with an immense amount of upside. If we are moving him I'd expect a bigger return than Getzlaf.
... Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Myers is one of the few Sabres for whom I'd have to think twice about trading away. If the trade only involves Myers, then the Sabres aren't doing themselves any favors - they're NOT getting rid of the problems in the locker room or on the ice, and they ARE getting rid of one of the only authentic talents on the team. There are still too many dead weights up front. They still have Darcy, even though in this instance I'm thankful for his cautiousness. This would be a band-aid that really does nothing to help solve the issues the team really faces.
drnkirishone Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I still think you build from the defense out. So no i don't trade one of my best defenseman and the one with the biggest upside for a center. if they want a veteran and a nice prospect on D and possibly a center to fill a gap I do it. but not with Myers going to them
nfreeman Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 My biggest concern is that Getzlaf has one more year left on his contract after this one, which means nobody - not Anaheim, nor whoever trades for him - can even talk to him about an extension until July 1. He could play here for a year and a half, then decide at 28 to cash in on the UFA market. There's more chance that they retain him under Pegula, but you never know. He may have a team or coach that he really wants to play for like Richards did. Great call. That's the deal breaker for me. I cannot give up on Myers without an extension in place for Getzlaf. Myers for Getzlaf? Hell yes you make that deal. A true #1 center with size and skill that likes to hit. I really doubt Myers by himself gets the trade done. The Sabres would have to sweeten the pot. I doubt Anaheim gets that much value due to the contract situation.
deluca67 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I still think you build from the defense out. So no i don't trade one of my best defenseman and the one with the biggest upside for a center. if they want a veteran and a nice prospect on D and possibly a center to fill a gap I do it. but not with Myers going to them I think this is a fair question. Does McNabb make Myers expendable in fan's minds? I have more appreciation for the physical game McNabb brings than I do for the skating and offense Myers brings. Seeing McNabb play has made Myers more expendable, IMO.
drnkirishone Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I think this is a fair question. Does McNabb make Myers expendable in fan's minds? I have more appreciation for the physical game McNabb brings than I do for the skating and offense Myers brings. Seeing McNabb play has made Myers more expendable, IMO. McNabbs play has made me move myers from untradeable to possible. But I still think Myers is and will be a better defensman than McNabb. I also think if we can keep them both and possibly play them together it would make them both play to the others strength
Weave Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Here's a question: does anyone think Hamilton has a real source for this? Here's the link: http://wgr550.com/HA...-if---/11982787 Here's the quote: My point is that nowhere in the article does it say "my sources tell me" or "a league source has confirmed" or anything like that. It reads more like an opinion piece than any kind of real reporting. I agree with his basic premise, especially this part: But he doesn't mention any sources, so I'm kinda thinking all of this is just his opinion. Anyone think differently? I think differently. Hamilton said that some GM's think Darcy is difficult to deal with. Never stated sources. Many thought it was opinion. Then we get the Burke vid. "Here’s the asking price as of now," This, to me, sounds like a statement of knowledge, not opinion. So does this, "nobody, yes you read that right, nobody in the NHL wants him right now". After hearing Burke state pretty explicitly what Hamilton was expressing about Darcy has convinced me that he has his sources but is likely obligated to not identify them (or risk losing them as sources). As for Myers-for-Getzlaf, I wouldn;t do it "in a heartbeat". It is a serious trade with serious risk-reward potential. But in the end I think I make the deal. Mostly because we are trading proven performance for potential. Remember, Myers isn't even all star yet, let alone Norris candidate. He may never be a Norris candidate. Then again, he very well could be. What we know we would be getting is a proven playoff performer, leader, and #1 center, borderline elite. Something that Myers *MAY* become. By the same token, he may not ever reach those lofty hieghts. The other thing to consider is our depth at defence. Myers is a big part of our defence. But if he goes, we have lots of other talent. We have nothing at center. Nothing. It is a high risk - high reward league. Sometimes you have to take big shots at the pot if you want to be in the final table.
biodork Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Myers will not be another chara. He isn't getting an excuse from me for being young. He's been in the league long enough, his mistakes cost us game after game. Expecially against WPG. DO THE DEAL I'm not giving him an excuse for being young; I want to keep him because: 1) he's still VERY young at 21 and has learned the game much more quickly than a lot of the players to whom he's being compared (Weber and Chara as others have pointed out, and look how many years it took for Campbell to really stick) 2) he won the Calder Trophy 3) yes, he's had struggles last year and this year, but I like how he's responded to the benching and how he came back from the wrist injury 4) he plays a TON of minutes per game (averages 22:00 or so), including time on both the power play and the penalty kill, which is not so easily replaced by our remaining D 5) he has offensive potential when playing well Like I said before... Getzlaf would be awesome, but I don't think swapping he and Myers makes sense because it's filling one void and creating another one at a different position. McNabb has been impressive so far, but who's to say he doesn't turn into another Butler / Paetsch / Gragnani?
Weave Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Like I said before... Getzlaf would be awesome, but I don't think swapping he and Myers makes sense because it's filling one void and creating another one at a different position. McNabb has been impressive so far, but who's to say he doesn't turn into another Butler / Paetsch / Gragnani? With the numbers of NHL talent at defence (and some some of it is damned notable- Ehrhoff and Regehr for starters) I don;t see how we'd be creating a new void by moving Myers. It is simply moving an asset that we have a lot of for an asset we have little of. I don;t see a shortage anywhere so really IMO it comes down to, does Getzlaf or Myers improve the teams chances at the big prize.
Ross Rhea Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I do agree it will take Myers to get that attention. I completely disagree with giving him away in a trade for Getzlaf. If Myers is leaving for a center, think names like Toews, Stamkos, Kopitar or Tavares. Myers is young with an immense amount of upside. If we are moving him I'd expect a bigger return than Getzlaf. Thank You and the sizzler for keeping sense involved. No way, no how would I trade Myers. - you can't teach size, which he has - he skates really good, way better than Chara - he carries the puck out of the zone, better than Chara - he is creative and stickhandles, better than Chara - he is on the pp and the pk, logs a ton of minutes - he is only going to be 22 in a few weeks, give him a chance to grow, jeez - so far in his career he is a + player and has 92 pts in 184 games, half point per game dman, i'll take it. That is better than half the forwards on this team. All this for a former Calder winner by the age of 21. No doubt in my mind he will get better and be a top 5 dman for a long time and future HOF. If he was like 31 yrs old sure I could see trading him, but not at 21.
biodork Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 With the numbers of NHL talent at defence (and some some of it is damned notable- Ehrhoff and Regehr for starters) I don;t see how we'd be creating a new void by moving Myers. It is simply moving an asset that we have a lot of for an asset we have little of. I don;t see a shortage anywhere so really IMO it comes down to, does Getzlaf or Myers improve the teams chances at the big prize. I might feel differently were Ehrhoff not injured and if he'd been playing the entire season as well as the time just prior to the injury, but I still hate the idea of giving Myers up. I'd also be more likely to consider if if I knew other changes were coming, because I can't see Getzlaf alone solving our scoring issues. At best, that still leaves us with only one legitimate forward line that is an offensive threat, and that still won't get it done most nights.
deluca67 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 McNabbs play has made me move myers from untradeable to possible. But I still think Myers is and will be a better defensman than McNabb. I also think if we can keep them both and possibly play them together it would make them both play to the others strength That would be great if this team was positioned by their GM to have more assets to move to improve this team. Right now Myers is on the short list of players that can be used to upgrade the roster.
Weave Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 I might feel differently were Ehrhoff not injured and if he'd been playing the entire season as well as the time just prior to the injury, but I still hate the idea of giving Myers up. I'd also be more likely to consider if if I knew other changes were coming, because I can't see Getzlaf alone solving our scoring issues. At best, that still leaves us with only one legitimate forward line that is an offensive threat, and that still won't get it done most nights. But if we keep Myers we still have all those same faults too. And we still have only one center, who seems to be disinterested in winning. I hate the idea of giving up Myers too. But you have to acknowledge that the only way we get proven top line talent is to give up top line prospects. That means players like Myers. The alternative is to move players like Stafford and Roy for lesser players and hope the different mix is enough to move us forward. It is a lower risk game, but the reward is likely lower as well.
radiomike Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Anyone expecting a bigger haul than Getzlaf for Myers is crazy IMO. He is a young, borderline elite, proven asset with a Cup, and guess what, the Sabres don't have a player that really matches that description. Myers has upside yes, lots of it, but now we're putting him in the HOF? Have some perspective people. What happens if he busts out relative to his expectations? To me this line of reasoning is a big reason why we're here in the first place. DR not wanting to give up any pieces because of their 'potential' and his insistence that he hit on every one of his 'core' players - look where we are now. Now is not the time to be holding on to potential. This move would set us up short and long term (assuming a contract extension), without pillaging an aspect of our team which we are well stocked at. Our defense is average with Myers, and it will be average without him. Nor would we be mortgaging the future as we would get to keep McNabb and Kassian around (there's your potential). We all know we need a center - it's clear as mud. What's also clear is that garbage like Roy and Stafford aren't going to get us what we really need. Perhaps Roy and Stafford could be moved for lesser pieces, perhaps a decent winger or solid no 2 center or hell, even a another decent d-man, but they are not worth a top center collectively.
biodork Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 But if we keep Myers we still have all those same faults too. And we still have only one center, who seems to be disinterested in winning. I hate the idea of giving up Myers too. But you have to acknowledge that the only way we get proven top line talent is to give up top line prospects. That means players like Myers. The alternative is to move players like Stafford and Roy for lesser players and hope the different mix is enough to move us forward. It is a lower risk game, but the reward is likely lower as well. Dang it, weave, why do you have to be so logical? lol. I know, it's only a pipe dream that Anaheim would take a few D prospects and a forward and be willing to trade Getzlaf, but at the same time, as others have mentioned Getzlaf's contract status might leave them with a lot less bargaining power than they might have otherwise. And I'm with nfreeman on being unwilling to give up Myers for someone who could end up being an extremely talented rental player. Lots to consider...
nfreeman Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 But if we keep Myers we still have all those same faults too. And we still have only one center, who seems to be disinterested in winning. I hate the idea of giving up Myers too. But you have to acknowledge that the only way we get proven top line talent is to give up top line prospects. That means players like Myers. The alternative is to move players like Stafford and Roy for lesser players and hope the different mix is enough to move us forward. It is a lower risk game, but the reward is likely lower as well. There is another alternative: dump some combination of Roy, Stafford and Leopold in order to clear cap space for an elite UFA like, say, Zach Parise, who is 27, playing center this year and would immediately become the Sabres' best forward.
Carmel Corn Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Hell NOOOOOO! I do not agree with that trade idea. Myers is a defenseman you build a franchise around. Getzlaf would become incredibly "average" on a Ruff coached team.
2ForTripping Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 many comparisons to 57 "potentially" better than chara 57 also could"potentially" be the next barret jackman
stenbaro Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Leaving aside the question of whether LGR will deny again his claim that Anaheim would take Roy for Getzlaf, the question of whether to trade Myers for Getzlaf is a pretty interesting one. I honestly don't know what I would do. Getzlaf is exactly what the Sabres are dying for, but I think Myers is the best player on the team and has almost unlimited potential. I also think he's looked great since returning (although I didn't see the Toronto game). I will say that I would trade Vanek for Getzlaf in a heartbeat. They turned down Kane straight up for Meyers why the hell would they trade him for getzlaff..I like Getzlaf but I dont like him enuff to trade any of Kassian Meyers Mcnabb or Vanek....Give any other 2 sabres for him all day but those players are the ones we need to build around.. Great point// doing that deal at this time would be putting the cart before the horse , unless of course the decision is already made on a management shuffle and the move is timed post season . We can agree on that. Yep..Let them bottom out and draft your big time center
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