Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 I'll toss my no vote into the hat. If for no other reason than I don't want to suffer all the "Look how Lindy has ruined Getzlaf's game" threads. Assuming he doesn't have marfans syndrome, in a few years he will have filled out his frame, learned the game, and become our version of Pronger but without the dirty play, imho. Besides, I always heard that a franchise defensemen is more valuable than a franchise centerman, all things being equal. Has there been a shift in that paradigm? GO SABRES!!! Good point ... When they announce the deal they need to include the "you're fired" LR in the same breath.
JWell Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Here's a question: does anyone think Hamilton has a real source for this? Here's the link: http://wgr550.com/HA...-if---/11982787 Here's the quote: My point is that nowhere in the article does it say "my sources tell me" or "a league source has confirmed" or anything like that. It reads more like an opinion piece than any kind of real reporting. I agree with his basic premise, especially this part: But he doesn't mention any sources, so I'm kinda thinking all of this is just his opinion. Anyone think differently? i doubt he does. he would have credited them. i bet its just an opinion
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Here's a question: does anyone think Hamilton has a real source for this? Here's the link: http://wgr550.com/HA...-if---/11982787 Here's the quote: My point is that nowhere in the article does it say "my sources tell me" or "a league source has confirmed" or anything like that. It reads more like an opinion piece than any kind of real reporting. I agree with his basic premise, especially this part: But he doesn't mention any sources, so I'm kinda thinking all of this is just his opinion. Anyone think differently? You are absolutely correct. I don't think it is a real scoop. It does drive home the point that any reasonable person would realize that to get a star you need to give up one.
K-9 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Weren't all those Anaheim scouts in attendance when Myers was injured? Is it possible at one time they were considering Roy and others but weren't impressed when he was playing and are even less so now that he's injured? GO SABRES!!!
LGR4GM Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Myers will not be another chara. He isn't getting an excuse from me for being young. He's been in the league long enough, his mistakes cost us game after game. Expecially against WPG. DO THE DEAL 2.5 years is long enough for a 21 year old kid to learn all there is to learn? Really? Look at Shea Weber's numbers they don't stabalize until year 3 and 4 and he was older than Myers at that point in his career. Weber was 23 when he finally settled in. He cost us the WPG game? You mean the game where our offense managed a whopping 1 goal? Is that the game you are referring too? Last time the sabres won a game when only scoring once: Nov 18th against carolina. PS: only 1-0 win this entire season.
Miller30 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 We would still need to move more than 4 million of salary in addition to Myers salary to make the deal. I'm on the fence until I know who makes up the remainder of the salary differential.
itbeatswalking Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Posted January 12, 2012 We will not make the playoffs the year with our current lineup. Myers isn't a big of an asset, we have D men. We need offense
darksabre Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Regardless of whether or not it's bull puckey, I take Getzlaf in a heartbeat. I like Myers and everything, but this team is dead in the water without a player like Getzlaf, future be damned.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Getzlaf also is on a line with,... Who are they again? Oh yeah Bobby Ryan and Corey Perry. If he comes here it could easily end up with his numbers greatly shrinking due to lack of quality players around him. But, can you imagine him setting up Vanek and / or Pominville? And I do not think he has played with those two his whole career.
K-9 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Myers will not be another chara. He isn't getting an excuse from me for being young. He's been in the league long enough, his mistakes cost us game after game. Expecially against WPG. DO THE DEAL That's right because so far Myers has had the far more successful career than Chara at the same stages of their careers. And it's not even close. But I'm sure you would have projected Chara to be Chara when he played was playing his first three seasons with the Islanders. GO SABRES!!!
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 We would still need to move more than 4 million of salary in addition to Myers salary to make the deal. I'm on the fence until I know who makes up the remainder of the salary differential. Make them take Boyes, or better yet Stafford, as a favour ... problem solved.
waldo Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 I would assume you are asking me both "well see I was right!" and "well why not" 1) Congratulations there is uncomfirmed reports that the Ducks want what will undoubtedly in my mind become 1 of the top 5 defensmen in the NHL within 3 years... IF i was GM this would not seem a fair deal which leads me to 2) Tyler Myers is 5 years younger. He has won the Calder already and the only reason we are entertaining this idea is because we have become so desperate for a top center we would sacrifice our franchise defensmen for him. Myers makes this team better. He makes those around him better. He is special. 3) When CHZ tells me that Anaheim officially said NO to a deal with Roy and Yes only if the deal include Myers I will be more inclined to believe it. Your powers of observation scare me. Hey just for fun tell me what is Getzlaf's +/- this year? ???????????????????????????
darksabre Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 ??????????????????????????? Just, don't even bother. And could we get this thread title changed to something a little more...accurate?
LGR4GM Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 ??????????????????????????? ??????? you bolded stuff but then just did this???????????????????? is there something specific or just A.D.D. kicking in. Did i need to put IMHO? ?????????????
waldo Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 ??????? you bolded stuff but then just did this???????????????????? is there something specific or just A.D.D. kicking in. Did i need to put IMHO? ????????????? Was trying to drop in Getzs Statistics in, so you could tell me what you thought was not desireable but the table jumbled.
itbeatswalking Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Posted January 12, 2012 We don't need Myers. Why does everybody think that we are going to be able to throw them 2-3 crappy offensive players to get their best? They need defense, we need offense! You need to give up good players to get them. Getzlaf would make this team a lot better. But, hey, it sounds like most of you guys who complain about the losses and turnovers and point Myers out when you're watching each game, are ok with where the team is at, so fine, don't complain next time that we can't score and then Myers turns the puck over for the 4th season in a row. Myers is 21 with potential to be the best defenseman in the league. Technically, his prime doesn't start for 5-7 years yet. We might be happy tomorrow if this happens, but not in four years when Getzlaf isn't as good, we still haven't won a cup, and myers wins a norris in Anaheim. This is obviously worst case scenario, but it's possibility is enough for me to say hell no Darcy, don't do it. Keep dreaming about Myers with the Norris. Don't be complaining when we don't make the playoffs this year. Anybody watching the games this year can see our offense is what we need. BYE BYE MYERS
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Poblem is that with Lindy as the Head Coach Getzlaf will end up sucking like Boyes, Torres, Leion, Ehroff, Reigeher etc
LGR4GM Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 We don't need Myers. Why does everybody think that we are going to be able to throw them 2-3 crappy offensive players to get their best? They need defense, we need offense! You need to give up good players to get them. Getzlaf would make this team a lot better. But, hey, it sounds like most of you guys who complain about the losses and turnovers and point Myers out when you're watching each game, are ok with where the team is at, so fine, don't complain next time that we can't score and then Myers turns the puck over for the 4th season in a row. Keep dreaming about Myers with the Norris. Don't be complaining when we don't make the playoffs this year. Anybody watching the games this year can see our offense is what we need. BYE BYE MYERS The best thing that could happen to this team right now, is missing the playoffs this year, by A LOT.
nfreeman Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 We don't need Myers. Why does everybody think that we are going to be able to throw them 2-3 crappy offensive players to get their best? They need defense, we need offense! You need to give up good players to get them. Getzlaf would make this team a lot better. But, hey, it sounds like most of you guys who complain about the losses and turnovers and point Myers out when you're watching each game, are ok with where the team is at, so fine, don't complain next time that we can't score and then Myers turns the puck over for the 4th season in a row. Keep dreaming about Myers with the Norris. Don't be complaining when we don't make the playoffs this year. Anybody watching the games this year can see our offense is what we need. BYE BYE MYERS The Sabres need elite players, regardless of position. Myers is the guy on the roster with the best chance at it. He's not there yet but there are plenty of stretches where he looks like the best player on the ice. That's not to say that the trade shouldn't be made -- just that it's not as simple as "they need offense but they don't need defense." Anaheim won the Cup because they had the 2 best defensemen in the NHL in Pronger and Niedermayer (or 2 of the 3 if you want to include Lidstrom -- but IMHO Anaheim's 2 were better than Lidstrom that year). This is why I would trade Vanek for Shea Weber in a heartbeat if Nashville decides that they can't sign him. I think the question really is: are the Sabres more likely to get a longer period of elite-level play from Myers, or from Getzlaf? I don't know the answer.
waldo Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Poblem is that with Lindy as the Head Coach Getzlaf will end up sucking like Boyes, Torres, Leion, Ehroff, Reigeher etc Great point// doing that deal at this time would be putting the cart before the horse , unless of course the decision is already made on a management shuffle and the move is timed post season . The best thing that could happen to this team right now, is missing the playoffs this year, by A LOT. We can agree on that.
Randall Flagg Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 We don't need Myers. Why does everybody think that we are going to be able to throw them 2-3 crappy offensive players to get their best? They need defense, we need offense! You need to give up good players to get them. Getzlaf would make this team a lot better. But, hey, it sounds like most of you guys who complain about the losses and turnovers and point Myers out when you're watching each game, are ok with where the team is at, so fine, don't complain next time that we can't score and then Myers turns the puck over for the 4th season in a row. Keep dreaming about Myers with the Norris. Don't be complaining when we don't make the playoffs this year. Anybody watching the games this year can see our offense is what we need. BYE BYE MYERS Don't be complaining when Getzlaf and his -17 with only three more points than Roy comes here and doesn't lead this team to the playoffs this year.
darksabre Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 The Sabres need elite players, regardless of position. Myers is the guy on the roster with the best chance at it. He's not there yet but there are plenty of stretches where he looks like the best player on the ice. That's not to say that the trade shouldn't be made -- just that it's not as simple as "they need offense but they don't need defense." Anaheim won the Cup because they had the 2 best defensemen in the NHL in Pronger and Niedermayer (or 2 of the 3 if you want to include Lidstrom -- but IMHO Anaheim's 2 were better than Lidstrom that year). This is why I would trade Vanek for Shea Weber in a heartbeat if Nashville decides that they can't sign him. I think the question really is: are the Sabres more likely to get a longer period of elite-level play from Myers, or from Getzlaf? I don't know the answer. None of us do. Neither does Anaheim, and neither does Buffalo. It's a straight up gamble. Does Getzlaf make us a better team or does Myers? We all downplayed Richards and he turned into a massive signing for the Rangers. Regehr turned out well for us. Taking a chance on Getzlaf is up to Darcy, but I'd do it.
james duncan Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Hamilton also said that that's what they are looking for NOW. The market has not been set yet. You may have to pay more or possibly less. I'd have to agree. For me, I have two virtual untouchables on this team and one of them is Myers.
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