inkman Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 THANK YOU! Jerry Sullivan! Some of the wording makes me wonder if he posts or lurks here.
rickshaw Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 The good thing about their current situation is that if, and that's a big IF, the team lets Gaustad, Hecht and Boyes go bye bye, lots of moola is freed up. If they could deal Miller and lose his whopping numbers and possibly some other core guys, this team could have $15 milion plus to spend on others. The team has a great young goalie, so bring in a solid backup who can play. The team has some very good, young, hungry guys who need to play. So move some dead weight and let them play. Of course, none of this will happen if Ruff is in charge. He will just ruin the competitive fire in the kids' bellies. He'll ruin the goalie situation too. But one can hope. This team could be top of the charts next year, if the right moves are made. I know, there's that word again. IF.
apuszczalowski Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 The good thing about their current situation is that if, and that's a big IF, the team lets Gaustad, Hecht and Boyes go bye bye, lots of moola is freed up. If they could deal Miller and lose his whopping numbers and possibly some other core guys, this team could have $15 milion plus to spend on others. The team has a great young goalie, so bring in a solid backup who can play. The team has some very good, young, hungry guys who need to play. So move some dead weight and let them play. Of course, none of this will happen if Ruff is in charge. He will just ruin the competitive fire in the kids' bellies. He'll ruin the goalie situation too. But one can hope. This team could be top of the charts next year, if the right moves are made. I know, there's that word again. IF. And do what? What middle of the pact FA defencemen is gonna cash in along with a winger converted to C in the DR sweepstakes this offseason? Its starting to look like Golisano and Quinn knew what they were doing keeping Regier shackled with a budget......... As for the second remark, can you please name more then one player that has gone on to prove this theory that its Lindy Ruff ruining these players? I mentioned this in a different thread and am still waiting for answers? What players have moved on from here and lived up to their potential/consistently played better then when they were here?
deluca67 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 Some of the wording makes me wonder if he posts or lurks here. I thought the same when I read "starry-eyed fan."
rickshaw Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 Ruff has butchered the goalie situation with more than one backup. I believe he is ruining the confidence in some of the young players. Luke Adam for example. Kassian. Let them play and learn from their mistakes, don't make them robots. How anyone can say that it is good to have a coach run the same NHL team for 15 years is beyond me. The player he is ruining the most is Vanek.The guy is 100th in ice time and he's our best hope for goals. Yet he plays 3rd line minutes. Give him the ball and let him run with it. He's never, ever managaed Vanek properly. He's a $7 million player and plays the same amount or less than Gaustad? Come on. It is time for change, GM and Coach. If the changes are made and the money is freed up I have confidence that another GM can manage the money better than Reiger did this past summer (Leino) Since this team never really makes trades for roster players it's hard to find a guy who used to play for us and are better elsewhere. Most just left via FA.
apuszczalowski Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 Ruff has butchered the goalie situation with more than one backup. I believe he is ruining the confidence in some of the young players. Luke Adam for example. Kassian. Let them play and learn from their mistakes, don't make them robots. How anyone can say that it is good to have a coach run the same NHL team for 15 years is beyond me. The player he is ruining the most is Vanek.The guy is 100th in ice time and he's our best hope for goals. Yet he plays 3rd line minutes. Give him the ball and let him run with it. He's never, ever managaed Vanek properly. He's a $7 million player and plays the same amount or less than Gaustad? Come on. It is time for change, GM and Coach. If the changes are made and the money is freed up I have confidence that another GM can manage the money better than Reiger did this past summer (Leino) Since this team never really makes trades for roster players it's hard to find a guy who used to play for us and are better elsewhere. Most just left via FA. I didn't say it mattered how the player left, just name me more then one player (cause most will probably point out Briere) who has consistently played better then what they did here while having their skills/abilities held back here. Could it be that maybe we think alot higher of the abilities of most of the players here then what they are actually capable of? As for the goalie situation, can you say that you had any confidence in any backup goalie here prior to Enroth and after Biron? Guess Lindy should have went out and traded Lalime or Thibault or signed a new backup so he wouldn't have to rely on Miller so much.........
That Aud Smell Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 I thought the same when I read "starry-eyed fan." Some of the wording makes me wonder if he posts or lurks here. at the risk of patting ourselves on the back, i've thought that a few local on-air personalities/journalists might frequent this board (schopp, paul hamilton, as well as sullivan) and, on occasion, have benefited from the content they see here (which, after all, ain't copyrighted). i'm all for it. there are a number of regular posters here (excluding yours truly) who are more than capable of helping out someone whose job it is to talk/write about the team on a regular basis.
rickshaw Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 I didn't say it mattered how the player left, just name me more then one player (cause most will probably point out Briere) who has consistently played better then what they did here while having their skills/abilities held back here. Could it be that maybe we think alot higher of the abilities of most of the players here then what they are actually capable of? As for the goalie situation, can you say that you had any confidence in any backup goalie here prior to Enroth and after Biron? Guess Lindy should have went out and traded Lalime or Thibault or signed a new backup so he wouldn't have to rely on Miller so much......... You're right, Lindy doesn't hire the players, and I'm all for Reiger being gone too. But we did have some capable guys and he just never played them. Noronen was one. Another would be Ty Conklin. That guy is still effective when he plays. As for skaters who are better elsewhere. Hmmm let's see. Drury? ha ha, sorry. There have been so few guys who leave it's hard to remember them. I just believe his message is stale. It's my opinion. I think he's a good coach who will be hired by another team lickety split, but the message in Buffalo is old and tired. Everything has been tried. The well is dry. Change is needed. Injuries shouldn't be an excuse. His message is one of a defeatest nowadays. It's a built in excuse. The Canucks used 13 dmen last year and won the overall standings. They had tonnes of injuries to key players and continued to win. It's time for a new voice. One where players don't sit there and roll their eyes thinking how many times has he said that to us??
dEnnis the Menace Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 You're right, Lindy doesn't hire the players, and I'm all for Reiger being gone too. But we did have some capable guys and he just never played them. Noronen was one. Another would be Ty Conklin. That guy is still effective when he plays. As for skaters who are better elsewhere. Hmmm let's see. Drury? ha ha, sorry. There have been so few guys who leave it's hard to remember them. I just believe his message is stale. It's my opinion. I think he's a good coach who will be hired by another team lickety split, but the message in Buffalo is old and tired. Everything has been tried. The well is dry. Change is needed. Injuries shouldn't be an excuse. His message is one of a defeatest nowadays. It's a built in excuse. The Canucks used 13 dmen last year and won the overall standings. They had tonnes of injuries to key players and continued to win. It's time for a new voice. One where players don't sit there and roll their eyes thinking how many times has he said that to us?? It's of my opinion that the message has grown stale because players are too comfortable with their position on the team, because the GM will not ship 'em off, and they know it. They aren't fighting for their careers, or their NHL lives, like many of the rookies and other players that come up (Chewie, Ellis, Kass, etc). I think the message has grown stale with the core, and would be brought back to life with a lot of said core no longer being the core. Fresh blood on this team would be a great start, and just bringing in Leino, Ehrhoff and Regehr isn't enough imo. This team needs to make some trades and dump some dead weight.
... Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 THANK YOU! Jerry Sullivan! http://www.buffalone...ticle711449.ece Yes, but you know what sucks is that WE have been making these points for months now. And I can't imagine that we here are so close to the team that we're the bellweather - someone or some people closer to the team must have seen all of this coming. So here we are - the season is lost for all practical purposes. It would be a literal miracle if the Sabres were to make it to the second round of the playoffs, let alone the first round. Sullivan's article may increase the level of the discourse a little, but every Sabres fan is already aware of the topic. What is really likely to happen as a result? I think the organization becomes more insular - while we're looking for them to "open up" and be frank and honest - they will circle the wagons because that is clearly the strategy TPegs has bought into. This is actually going to become worse before it gets better, if you can imagine. :ph34r:
spndnchz Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 I didn't say it mattered how the player left, just name me more then one player (cause most will probably point out Briere) who has consistently played better then what they did here while having their skills/abilities held back here. Could it be that maybe we think alot higher of the abilities of most of the players here then what they are actually capable of? As for the goalie situation, can you say that you had any confidence in any backup goalie here prior to Enroth and after Biron? Guess Lindy should have went out and traded Lalime or Thibault or signed a new backup so he wouldn't have to rely on Miller so much......... I did this a while back (thru '08 season) With Sabres/ New team Drury, :: .807 :cry: .679 Briere, :: 1.02 :cry: .931 Campbell :: .451 :w00t: .897 Dumont :: .62 :w00t: .87 Griere :: .34 :w00t: .37 Pyatt :: .35 :w00t: .46
apuszczalowski Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 I did this a while back (thru '08 season) With Sabres/ New team Drury, :: .807 :cry: .679 Briere, :: 1.02 :cry: .931 Campbell :: .451 :w00t: .897 Dumont :: .62 :w00t: .87 Griere :: .34 :w00t: .37 Pyatt :: .35 :w00t: .46 man, I forgot all about Dumont, he might be that one player!Besides Campbell, none of them were really all that much better
RazielSabre Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 I did this a while back (thru '08 season) With Sabres/ New team Drury, :: .807 :cry: .679 Briere, :: 1.02 :cry: .931 Campbell :: .451 :w00t: .897 Dumont :: .62 :w00t: .87 Griere :: .34 :w00t: .37 Pyatt :: .35 :w00t: .46 Campbell broke out then we lost him to be fair. He did break out here though.
apuszczalowski Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 You're right, Lindy doesn't hire the players, and I'm all for Reiger being gone too. But we did have some capable guys and he just never played them. Noronen was one. Another would be Ty Conklin. That guy is still effective when he plays. As for skaters who are better elsewhere. Hmmm let's see. Drury? ha ha, sorry. There have been so few guys who leave it's hard to remember them. I just believe his message is stale. It's my opinion. I think he's a good coach who will be hired by another team lickety split, but the message in Buffalo is old and tired. Everything has been tried. The well is dry. Change is needed. Injuries shouldn't be an excuse. His message is one of a defeatest nowadays. It's a built in excuse. The Canucks used 13 dmen last year and won the overall standings. They had tonnes of injuries to key players and continued to win. It's time for a new voice. One where players don't sit there and roll their eyes thinking how many times has he said that to us?? Noronen went on to do nothing in the league and ran to Europe and has not played in the NHL since after he was traded to VancouverConklin has served as a decent backup in the rest of the league, no better or no worse then he was here, but he was viewed by Darcy as a rental. The Bold statement is the point I have been trying to make, I wouldn't be surprised if someone could show that the Sabres have had the least amount of player turnover in the last decade, then any other NHL team in the league. Any turnover they have all seem to come in the 3rd and 4th liner ranks. I'm no way saying that Lindy is the perfect coach, but what I am saying is that he isn't the problem, he can only do so much with what he is given. The entire organisation is using injuries as an excuse for this season, its not like he is the one going around making those comments, his bosses are making it for him. What more do you expect him to say? "Even when Healthy this team is bad, half the roster should be dealt or cut" (He did come close to saying this I believe by saying they are good enough to win, but won't blow anyone away). He is being blamed for not being able to coach/motivate this group right now with all these injuries to win, yet wheres the credit for the end of last year, when they had injuries and he coached/motivated them from the basement into the playoffs? Or is there an excuse to take the credit away from coaching on that one?
dEnnis the Menace Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 Noronen went on to do nothing in the league and ran to Europe and has not played in the NHL since after he was traded to Vancouver Conklin has served as a decent backup in the rest of the league, no better or no worse then he was here, but he was viewed by Darcy as a rental. The Bold statement is the point I have been trying to make, I wouldn't be surprised if someone could show that the Sabres have had the least amount of player turnover in the last decade, then any other NHL team in the league. Any turnover they have all seem to come in the 3rd and 4th liner ranks. I'm no way saying that Lindy is the perfect coach, but what I am saying is that he isn't the problem, he can only do so much with what he is given. The entire organisation is using injuries as an excuse for this season, its not like he is the one going around making those comments, his bosses are making it for him. What more do you expect him to say? "Even when Healthy this team is bad, half the roster should be dealt or cut" (He did come close to saying this I believe by saying they are good enough to win, but won't blow anyone away). He is being blamed for not being able to coach/motivate this group right now with all these injuries to win, yet wheres the credit for the end of last year, when they had injuries and he coached/motivated them from the basement into the playoffs? Or is there an excuse to take the credit away from coaching on that one? Well put.
Weave Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 Its starting to look like Golisano and Quinn knew what they were doing keeping Regier shackled with a budget......... :clapping:
rickshaw Posted January 16, 2012 Report Posted January 16, 2012 The team wasn't bad when they were healthy, but since the Lucic hit they've been very bad. He's got some good core players. Vanek hardly plays compared to other elite skater in the NHL. You can't tell me he handles the core very well? Can you? I think they're tired of him, and I wouldn't doubt he's tired of them. Change isn't always a bad thing. This team needs new direction, starting with Reiger and then the coaching staff. My opinion and I'm stickin' to it. I respect your opinion too,apuszczalowski, just to be clear.
Buffalo Fan Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Posted January 17, 2012 I didn't say it mattered how the player left, just name me more then one player (cause most will probably point out Briere) who has consistently played better then what they did here while having their skills/abilities held back here. Could it be that maybe we think alot higher of the abilities of most of the players here then what they are actually capable of? As for the goalie situation, can you say that you had any confidence in any backup goalie here prior to Enroth and after Biron? Guess Lindy should have went out and traded Lalime or Thibault or signed a new backup so he wouldn't have to rely on Miller so much......... I don't know his stats since he left, but it always seems like Clarke MacArthur sticks it to Buffalo every time we play him. Has he done well compared to when he was here?
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 Ken Sawyer was with Pegula in Detroit last night.
shrader Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 I guess someone did move to Nova Scotia while we weren't looking.
LabattBlue Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 Does anyone actually believe Pegs in regards to his placing the blame for the teams lack of success on all the injuries? I for one believe his earlier comments in regards to his daughter can play goal better than Miller is much more indicative of how he feels right now. IMO he is pissed....really pissed, and something is going to blow either prior to the end of the season or in the offseason.
Buffalo Fan Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Posted January 17, 2012 Does anyone actually believe Pegs in regards to his placing the blame for the teams lack of success on all the injuries? I for one believe his earlier comments in regards to his daughter can play goal better than Miller is much more indicative of how he feels right now. IMO he is pissed....really pissed, and something is going to blow either prior to the end of the season or in the offseason. I agree, I think that he may have "slipped" with his comments about his daughter playing better in goal and gave us some insite to what he is really thinking...He has set up some good front office pieces (DR and LR aside), but I think he will be involved. I think his injuries interview is a smoke screen to what they are really trying to do.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 Does anyone actually believe Pegs in regards to his placing the blame for the teams lack of success on all the injuries? I for one believe his earlier comments in regards to his daughter can play goal better than Miller is much more indicative of how he feels right now. IMO he is pissed....really pissed, and something is going to blow either prior to the end of the season or in the offseason. What I hate is that you get called a conspiracy theorist for reading between the lines with anything, yet when Pegula comes out and talks, the same people will tell you "that's not what he really thinks!!" This is the ONLY news right now. Like Miller said, you can trade who you want, but the heart and fire is gone. You would have to blow up the entire roster if you keep Regier and Ruff on. Ken Sawyer finally sticking his head out of the hole is what I have been waiting for. Until chopping begins, I have to accept Pegula at his word. He could have been a lot more diplomatic with his tone if he was putting on a front for the media. The tone he and Black have used the past few weeks is that of someone who feels they are being "wrongly attacked". Black in particular has irked me with his tone. "Negativity Bubble".....that was my favorite. Maybe Mr. Black would like to sit down and go over just how much this member of the bubble crew has contributed to the income statement of his team and their activities the past 15 years. A change could have been made 6 weeks ago when you could feel where this was headed. You could have saved the season. Now it looks like there is a radioactive meltdown taking place. It's sad. You can only hope someone Pegula trusts and has some skill (i.e Sawyer) can talk sense into him.
apuszczalowski Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 I don't know his stats since he left, but it always seems like Clarke MacArthur sticks it to Buffalo every time we play him. Has he done well compared to when he was here? Living with a Leafs fan, with 1/2 her family Leafs fans, and 1/2 Habs fans, I get to see alot of Leafs games on TV and without Clarkes hot streak to start the season last year, I think he would be unknown outside of Buffalo. He was dropped by the Thrashers at the end of the season after the Sabres traded him there, and he hasn't done much since after starting the season off Hot last year. He is serviceable, but I wouldn't say he is thriving (or doing anything more then he ever did here) now that he is away from Buffalo
nfreeman Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 Ken Sawyer was with Pegula in Detroit last night. I noticed that too. Something may not be imminent, but they must be at least starting to evaluate.
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