dEnnis the Menace Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 REALLY??? Come on... Do you actually believe that having myers back on the ice and healthy hurts this team? The difference between pre-Myers' injury and post-Myers' injury is quite alarming. The Sabres record at the time of Myers' injury was 11-8 while allowing 49 goals in those 19 games (2.6 GPG). They ranked 7th in the league at 19.8% on the power-play while ranking 3rd in the league at 90% on the penalty-kill. Since Myers' went down with a wrist injury, the Sabres have gone 5-8-3 while allowing 54 goals in those 16 games (3.4 GPG). Their power-play has dropped to 12th in the league while their penalty-kill has slipped to 10th in the league in his absence. While Myers has been out of the line-up, the power-play has clicked at 16.6% while their penalty-kill has been largely ineffective at 76.9%. There has been a slight decline on the offensive side to the tune of 0.5 GPG as well but Myers' effect on the offense is minimal compared to his effect on the defensive side of the puck. Considering Leopold was the only defenseman other than Myers to miss time (3 games), that increase in goals against per game is baffling. Myers was 2nd on the team behind Regehr in short-handed ice time per game and his absence has been a huge loss which is evident in the sharp decline in the effectiveness of the penalty-kill. Consider the fact that Myers' 21+ minutes per game has essentially been replaced by 17-18 minutes of bottom pairing defensemen (Weber/Gragnani/McNabb) with the other 3-4 minutes being dispersed among Ehrhoff, Leopold, Sekera, and Regehr. Even on a bad night, the difference between 17-18 minutes of Myers and 17-18 minutes of Gragnani can be quite substantial. Also Gilbert got CRUSHED last night. I dont know how carcillo picked him up and threw him like that but I dont think he even expected that. Both guys were down for a while. Wow. You really can't argue that Myers will have a negative impact on this team when healthy. even on his worst day, he's still leagues ahead of MAG.
FolignosJock Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Holy underlines Batman !!!!!! sorry, did that on accident after i copied it from a site. Wow. You really can't argue that Myers will have a negative impact on this team when healthy. even on his worst day, he's still leagues ahead of MAG everyone but regehr. fixed and so you agree with me and not waldo then...
obstructedorangeseats Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I'm not going to sit by a radio listening to the game like I'm living in the 1940's. Be sure to drink your Ovaltine!
waldo Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 REALLY??? Come on... Do you actually believe that having myers back on the ice and healthy hurts this team? The difference between pre-Myers' injury and post-Myers' injury is quite alarming. The Sabres record at the time of Myers' injury was 11-8 while allowing 49 goals in those 19 games (2.6 GPG). They ranked 7th in the league at 19.8% on the power-play while ranking 3rd in the league at 90% on the penalty-kill. Since Myers' went down with a wrist injury, the Sabres have gone 5-8-3 while allowing 54 goals in those 16 games (3.4 GPG). Their power-play has dropped to 12th in the league while their penalty-kill has slipped to 10th in the league in his absence. While Myers has been out of the line-up, the power-play has clicked at 16.6% while their penalty-kill has been largely ineffective at 76.9%. There has been a slight decline on the offensive side to the tune of 0.5 GPG as well but Myers' effect on the offense is minimal compared to his effect on the defensive side of the puck. Considering Leopold was the only defenseman other than Myers to miss time (3 games), that increase in goals against per game is baffling. Myers was 2nd on the team behind Regehr in short-handed ice time per game and his absence has been a huge loss which is evident in the sharp decline in the effectiveness of the penalty-kill. Consider the fact that Myers' 21+ minutes per game has essentially been replaced by 17-18 minutes of bottom pairing defensemen (Weber/Gragnani/McNabb) with the other 3-4 minutes being dispersed among Ehrhoff, Leopold, Sekera, and Regehr. Even on a bad night, the difference between 17-18 minutes of Myers and 17-18 minutes of Gragnani can be quite substantial. Also Gilbert got CRUSHED last night. I dont know how carcillo picked him up and threw him like that but I dont think he even expected that. Both guys were down for a while. If it comes down to Myers vs McNabb in the defensive zone i wil take McNabb. I am sure miller would tell you that over a beer too ,if there were not mics around. REALLY??? Come on... Do you actually believe that having myers back on the ice and healthy hurts this team? The difference between pre-Myers' injury and post-Myers' injury is quite alarming. The Sabres record at the time of Myers' injury was 11-8 while allowing 49 goals in those 19 games (2.6 GPG). They ranked 7th in the league at 19.8% on the power-play while ranking 3rd in the league at 90% on the penalty-kill. Since Myers' went down with a wrist injury, the Sabres have gone 5-8-3 while allowing 54 goals in those 16 games (3.4 GPG). Their power-play has dropped to 12th in the league while their penalty-kill has slipped to 10th in the league in his absence. While Myers has been out of the line-up, the power-play has clicked at 16.6% while their penalty-kill has been largely ineffective at 76.9%. There has been a slight decline on the offensive side to the tune of 0.5 GPG as well but Myers' effect on the offense is minimal compared to his effect on the defensive side of the puck. Considering Leopold was the only defenseman other than Myers to miss time (3 games), that increase in goals against per game is baffling. Myers was 2nd on the team behind Regehr in short-handed ice time per game and his absence has been a huge loss which is evident in the sharp decline in the effectiveness of the penalty-kill. Consider the fact that Myers' 21+ minutes per game has essentially been replaced by 17-18 minutes of bottom pairing defensemen (Weber/Gragnani/McNabb) with the other 3-4 minutes being dispersed among Ehrhoff, Leopold, Sekera, and Regehr. Even on a bad night, the difference between 17-18 minutes of Myers and 17-18 minutes of Gragnani can be quite substantial. Also Gilbert got CRUSHED last night. I dont know how carcillo picked him up and threw him like that but I dont think he even expected that. Both guys were down for a while. every day. I did not say he would have a negative impact. i said " it would not necessarily have a positive impact".Meaning ,his presence would not matter to the outcome, IMO..Against top tier teams he is every bit as much of a liability in the defensive zone as Mags is this year. He and Mags cough up the puck in the defensive zone with equal frequency aginst top tier teams with a better than average forecheck. Not a stat you find on the civilian stat sheets.
FolignosJock Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Ifit comes down to Myers vs McNabb in the defensive zone i wiltake McNabb every day. I did not say he would have a negative impact. i said " it would not necessarily have a positive impact".Meaning ,his presence would not matter, IMO..Against top tier teams he is every bit as much of a liability in the defensive zone as Mags is. You have got to be kidding me. Do other poster agree with this? I do not at all. Mcnabb will be a great defensemen in this league but he is far from being as good as myers except in being consistently physical. When myers chooses to be physical he changes games but it is true that he doesnt do it enough. He did do it the few games after his benching. You are impressed as am I with the young mcnabb but myers he is not. saying that myers wont make a positive impact on a team that has played so horrible over the last two months is saying that he will have a negative impact. Getting back what should be our best defenseman and this team remaining the same is a negative impact.
LGR4GM Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Ifit comes down to Myers vs McNabb in the defensive zone i will take McNabb every day. I did not say he would have a negative impact. i said " it would not necessarily have a positive impact".Meaning ,his presence would not matter, IMO..Against top tier teams he is every bit as much of a liability in the defensive zone as Mags is. WHAT? I dont know even where to begin with this. McNabb is not that good defensively from what I have witnessed. Is he better than some of our other defenders, yes. Is he better than Myers... no. Its not even close. Tyler Myers is a game changer. Hes average when hes off his game and elite when hes on his game. To say that McNabb is better in the defensive zone is also a stretch, hes got the potential to be very good but as of this moment in time, no. Just no, hell no... just hell freaking no. I'm in a bad mood today so I am just gonna call BU11$HIT! and move on.
FolignosJock Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 WHAT? I dont know even where to begin with this. McNabb is not that good defensively from what I have witnessed. Is he better than some of our other defenders, yes. Is he better than Myers... no. Its not even close. Tyler Myers is a game changer. Hes average when hes off his game and elite when hes on his game. To say that McNabb is better in the defensive zone is also a stretch, hes got the potential to be very good but as of this moment in time, no. Just no, hell no... just hell freaking no. hahah interestingly similar to what i wrote at the same time Also if you read my sig block you can see that in a matter of less than two weeks waldo has gone from proclaiming mcnabb would be better in five years to saying that he is better now. I disagree with both. He is going to be good and a great number two behind myers. I take higher ranking as a defenseman to mean as a defensive d man because if he meant overall myers offensive production and potential totally blow mcnabb out of the water to a point that it wouldnt be a fair comparison.
waldo Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I have completed my pre game warm up assignment. Hope you enjoy the game guys.. Your opinion is your opinion ..America, what a great country!
Tyrannustyrannus Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 maybe if the win a couple I can host a Fios Party
wjag Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 So it looks like Pommers battling flu and Boyes has a stinger.. Both are DTD... This Craptastic season just keeps on giving... Now they have the flu going through the lockerroom. Miller starting.. No surprise there.
dEnnis the Menace Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Instead of quoting 5+ posts, I'm jsut going to give my opinion, and let it be. McNabb is no where near the level of Myers, YET. He has a LOT of upside, but he still makes more mistakes/game than Myers by a long shot. Myers is a good defensemen, probably our best/second best to Regehr. McNabb looks better because of the quality of opposition he faces, and the amount of ice time he gets. Yes Cvan, I agree with you. Myers has a positive impact on being back in the lineup (whenever he gets there). In other news, when was that meeting of the minds supposed to take place today? any news on that?
FolignosJock Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I have completed my pre game warm up assignment. Hope you enjoy the game guys.. Your opinion is your opinion ..America, what a great country! REALLY???? AHHHHHHHH just respond lol stats or observations or some plays that you could compare the two's defensive lapses or victorys???? I would put 20 dollars on the fact that if mcnabb wasnt putting dudes through the boards you wouldnt be saying this. but then again i know you are smarter than that.
darksabre Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 60% of the posts in this thread are unreadable.
shrader Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I understand the love shown towards McNabb, but people seem to easily overlook the fact that he doesn't have the slightest clue right now of when it is appropriate to throw one of those checks. A big hit is fun and all, but when it takes him out of position and leads to an odd man rush the other way, that's trouble. These are rookie mistakes and he will learn, but right now it's very dangerous.
Who Else? Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 He has been skating since before christmas, I believe with contact. He is always mentioned as an extra defensive skater and he was quoted as saying he would play right after the x mas break. I know he isnt game conditioned but the best way to do that is by playing in games. I dont think its sinister just overly cautious Sounds like a re-aggrevasion to me. Another cat scan? The training staff and doctors are not really having a career year. Look at the other players that came back to sustain the same injury for example Kaleta's groin and Ennis' ankle.
dEnnis the Menace Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I understand the love shown towards McNabb, but people seem to easily overlook the fact that he doesn't have the slightest clue right now of when it is appropriate to throw one of those checks. A big hit is fun and all, but when it takes him out of position and leads to an odd man rush the other way, that's trouble. These are rookie mistakes and he will learn, but right now it's very dangerous. and again, that's only against the other teams lesser lines. Quality of the opponents lines is the key
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Because he's injured? Do you think something sinister is afoot? I fully expect to be laughed at, but this is a pattern now so I am willing to not put it out jokingly but seriously. What are the odds he is suffering from Marfan Syndrome? It's one thing to say that just because he is tall.....but if you do even a quick research there are warning signs. A lot of times it isn't diagnosed until early adulthood. It can have varying degrees. Here are some warning signs: The Buff News wrote an article early in the season that he was having unexplained fatigue and they were working on different things. That's what caught my attention. He has a long disproportional neck compared to the size of his face, he has a narrow and thin chest, he has long arms, I can't really tell his hand or foot build though. Skeletal features include weak wrists and abnormal healing time needed for broken bones. I am not sure how quickly the disease progresses when it comes to the circulatory system, but the fatigue thing really caught my eye on top of his physical appearance. I would think if he has a progressive form of this, we will see more and more issues crop up going forward and a short career. I have NO idea if this is the case, but he is a physical freak of nature in any case and that should always be met with open eyes. Like I said, I joked about it before, and yes the bone he broke can take time to heal. I'm in the "hmmmmnnnnn?...." stage right now. Maybe Wildnwooley44 can ask his buddy Macre if they ever looked into it.
darksabre Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I fully expect to be laughed at, but this is a pattern now so I am willing to not put it out jokingly but seriously. What are the odds he is suffering from Marfan Syndrome? It's one thing to say that just because he is tall.....but if you do even a quick research there are warning signs. A lot of times it isn't diagnosed until early adulthood. It can have varying degrees. Here are some warning signs: The Buff News wrote an article early in the season that he was having unexplained fatigue and they were working on different things. That's what caught my attention. He has a long disproportional neck compared to the size of his face, he has a narrow and thin chest, he has long arms, I can't really tell his hand or foot build though. Skeletal features include weak wrists and abnormal healing time needed for broken bones. I am not sure how quickly the disease progresses when it comes to the circulatory system, but the fatigue thing really caught my eye on top of his physical appearance. I would think if he has a progressive form of this, we will see more and more issues crop up going forward and a short career. I have NO idea if this is the case, but he is a physical freak of nature in any case and that should always be met with open eyes. Like I said, I joked about it before, and yes the bone he broke can take time to heal. I'm in the "hmmmmnnnnn?...." stage right now. Maybe Wildnwooley44 can ask his buddy Macre if they ever looked into it. :lol: I would file this under "hey, you never know".
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 :lol: I would file this under "hey, you never know". Yeah...I'm not saying anywhere near certain. Just the fact he is in the 99th percentile in height lets you know he isn't "normal" though. If you just take 5 minutes to read up on it, it makes you wonder a bit. When they drafted him, you just attribute it to a lanky 17 year old kid who needs to fill out. He kept growing and growing though. Miller is tall and skinny, but he looks proportional. Myers has a giraffe neck which is a classical feature of it. Not sure how his limbs match up, but the article on unexpected fatigue was the first real red flag that made me look into it. This ain't paddycake. It could be life threatening if the case. Me speculating on Miller was just a simple depth perception thing and wouldn't affect his living standards.
DumbPuck Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I understand the love shown towards McNabb, but people seem to easily overlook the fact that he doesn't have the slightest clue right now of when it is appropriate to throw one of those checks. A big hit is fun and all, but when it takes him out of position and leads to an odd man rush the other way, that's trouble. These are rookie mistakes and he will learn, but right now it's very dangerous. I'm actually with Waldo on this one. If we were talking latter half of last season into playoffs version of Myers I would take him hands down. But if we're talking THIS season Myers, then you gotta be nuts. He has been terrible. He was coughing the puck up left and right all season. it wasn't until the two games before the injury that he actually looked like he knew how to play the game. I would argue that the Sabres have looked much the same defensively since Myers has been out. Our losses as of late have been due to inconsistent goaltending (was an issue pre-Myers injury) and lack of offensive production. Anyways, the primary argument Waldo was making was that Myers' presence in his current form would not necessarily have any impact on the outcome of the games (neither negative nor positive) and that I agree with.
... Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Yeah...I'm not saying anywhere near certain. Just the fact he is in the 99th percentile in height lets you know he isn't "normal" though. If you just take 5 minutes to read up on it, it makes you wonder a bit. When they drafted him, you just attribute it to a lanky 17 year old kid who needs to fill out. He kept growing and growing though. Miller is tall and skinny, but he looks proportional. Myers has a giraffe neck which is a classical feature of it. Not sure how his limbs match up, but the article on unexpected fatigue was the first real red flag that made me look into it. This ain't paddycake. It could be life threatening if the case. Me speculating on Miller was just a simple depth perception thing and wouldn't affect his living standards. As usual, a little bit of research and some courage yield interesting thoughts. The truth can be far stranger than fiction. Which is not to say I think the theory is true, but it's a good one to keep in mind.
LabattBlue Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I would think that the Sabres crack staff of MD's would have mentioned the possibility of this to Darcy before the Sabres presented a long term contract including a 10 million dollar bonus to Myers. The type of physical the players receive is not the same(or at least it shouldn't be) as me walking into my doctors office complaining of fatigue and a previously broken bone that is still hurting during my annual visit.
FolignosJock Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 I would think that the Sabres crack staff of MD's would have mentioned the possibility of this to Darcy before the Sabres presented a long term contract including a 10 million dollar bonus to Myers. The type of physical the players receive is not the same(or at least it shouldn't be) as me walking into my doctors office complaining of fatigue and a previously broken bone that is still hurting during my annual visit. It isnt
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