ROC Sabres Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Typically they will include 1 wall penetration for the 'free' install. If you think you're going to want to reroute where the cables go, make sure they leave you enough cable to get where you want. Also, I would recommend staying with the guy(s) while they are running the lines. Sometimes you end up with a bad installer that will cut corners; hopefully you don't. Never crossed my mind not to. I heard the same thing from a few other people that have directv/dish.
plenzmd1 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Never crossed my mind not to. I heard the same thing from a few other people that have directv/dish. Here is what I would do, and I would do it today. Call DTV and tell them exactly what you want/need to get the install done. If you want runs inside walls, make sure they know that now!. If you have needs for 5 ft long HDMI cables, do that now! DTV uses contractors for their instals, they will get out there and try to sell you more services. The guy who said he is coming out on his day off?? Just looking for a way to get paid"off the clock" for stuff he should be doing as part of his job. It costs DTV over $800 for each new custome acquisition, you never have more power to bargain with them then now. As mentioned above, make them read back to you the work order they will send to the sub, then when the guy gets there and says not part of the standard install, you can "oh yes it is for me". Few years backhad a guy try to tell me he had to run several new lines for all the HD DVRS i had in the house...and he would do it for me for $175, or something like $300 if we went through DTV/contractor. I asked him why the SWiM would not work and that was part of the install...and yes I let his company DirectV know about his attempt and scamming me. I love DTV, have never had one issue with Dish moving, needing realignment etc, neve had anyone come out to the house for maintenace, just been a great experience with them for the last 17 years. But the install/contractor business is a pain in da ass..so make sure you cover yourself before they get there
MattPie Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 If you do find yourself in need of more and/or longer cables than the installer has, check out Monoprice -- inexpensive, quality alternatives to the ridiculously overpriced Monster cables. I'm a fan of NewEgg.com for cables and other stuff. Never, ever, buy cables (for anything) at a local place unless you're desperate for time. I'm lucky since a lot of the time I get stuff from Newegg next day regardless of shipping method. The east coast warehouse is in NJ a few hours away. :) If someone wants to make the quality argument, HDMI is digital, so it either works or it doesn't. There's no advantage to an expensive cable.
Eleven Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 The NHL ceases operations in June! September, but yeah, I think it's going to happen.
Two or less Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 I went to the MSG sponsored Sabres party tonight at Bathtub Billys in Greece. I strongly believe that it's MSG's fault for this interruption and not TWC, but i went anyways with some friends. MSG reps were there. Party was cool but it wasn't so much as a MSG Sabres party but a TWC hate party. All you heard all night was it's all TWC doing this and how much they suck. MSG bought tons of food, like over $150-200 worth someone said. They just kept bringing food on tables and anyone could grab it. Pizzas, wings, quesadillas, mozz sticks, and so much more. They had raffles. They gave away several pairs of tickets to upcoming games. Gave away gifts. It was wild, they were showering people with free stuff.
SportsFan88 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 I went to the MSG sponsored Sabres party tonight at Bathtub Billys in Greece. I strongly believe that it's MSG's fault for this interruption and not TWC, but i went anyways with some friends. MSG reps were there. Party was cool but it wasn't so much as a MSG Sabres party but a TWC hate party. All you heard all night was it's all TWC doing this and how much they suck. MSG bought tons of food, like over $150-200 worth someone said. They just kept bringing food on tables and anyone could grab it. Pizzas, wings, quesadillas, mozz sticks, and so much more. They had raffles. They gave away several pairs of tickets to upcoming games. Gave away gifts. It was wild, they were showering people with free stuff. Well atleast MSG was doing something right. TWC has crappy technology and service, this just gives us a free excuse to crap all over it.
beerme1 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 I strongly believe that it's MSG's fault for this interruption and not TWC, I understand your feeling. Now if your MSG and you've been through this dance before with DTV and Dish and likely someother cable co and you come to the table and say simply, this is what DirecTV now pays to carry our channels MSG, MSG plus, MSG HD and Fuse or whatever the hell it's called and this is what we expect you to pay because that is the going rate. Dish Net has passed and thats fine we have no problem with them declining. Whay is your decision TW? TW then goes public screaming that they want us to pay 53% more than we do now and we cant afford to do that. That is about $2 more per subscriber!!!! TW says we'll show them. We are dropping Fuse before the contract expires and then demand that you give the MSG suite at a reduced rate or we will humiliate you in public. MSG's response okay. Here is what DTV and Fios and ANY other carrier pay us for our signal. That is the price. If you dont want it fine but all we ask is what other carriers pay us. No more no less. Oh and by the way we see you raised your rates again recently so you really ought to be able to cover the increase and match what ANY OTHER carrier pay us for the rights to broadcast our signal. TW response f you. MSG response f you too. And now we are going to rub it in your subscribers face during commercials on every program because you humiliated us for no real reason. Dbag vs dbag here. Money vs. Money. But people seem to lose sight of the fact that Cablevison's Dolans own this. If they can force enough neighborhoods in NYC to dump TW and let Cablevision in well, MSG and this fight is pretty small potatoes. Of course the public is the loser but it is a free economy. I hate both companies about equally so I dont have a horse in this race. But I did switch to DirecTV so that I can keep on watching Sabres games in HD and if I could get Fios I would have done that. And if I have to change a year or two from now again to see Sabres games in HD so be it. I'll do it. It truly sucks for the people that cant switch for whatever reason but that is the lay of the land. There are no guarantees in any of this crap. So to your point finally! I 'm not sure I see it as MSG being wrong here. If they give TW a break doesn't DirecTV and now Fios come back to the table and sue them and say hey you didn't cut us a deal and we never made you look bad in public either. (of course other than Fios having to sue them for HD) but the response is the same flipping of the bird to TW.
Linksfiend Posted January 15, 2012 Report Posted January 15, 2012 I'm no Time Warner lover. I dropped them years ago. But I am siding with Time Warner here. It sure seems to this observer that MSG is the culprit. MSG's track record seems like a "rap sheet" of "extortion" including: - the ongoing feud with Dish Network. Dish Network seems to carry almost all the other regional networks (NESN, Root, Prime, Sunshine, Comcast MidAtlantic, and a bevy of FoxSports regional networks). Yet MSG cannot strike a deal with them??? That surely indicates MSG is demanding far more than "the going rate" - the years of litigation and FCC intervention that was required to get HD feeds for AT&T and FiOS
nbash Posted January 15, 2012 Report Posted January 15, 2012 I know a lot of people are screwed because they are TW bundled with cable, phone, web. In any other scenario I just wanted to add my Direct TV endorsement. I got a dish back in 1993 primarily to watch Sabres and Bills, and have never had an issue with my dish or the service, which is stellar. Do it.
beerme1 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Posted January 15, 2012 I'm no Time Warner lover. I dropped them years ago. But I am siding with Time Warner here. It sure seems to this observer that MSG is the culprit. MSG's track record seems like a "rap sheet" of "extortion" including: - the ongoing feud with Dish Network. Dish Network seems to carry almost all the other regional networks (NESN, Root, Prime, Sunshine, Comcast MidAtlantic, and a bevy of FoxSports regional networks). Yet MSG cannot strike a deal with them??? That surely indicates MSG is demanding far more than "the going rate" - the years of litigation and FCC intervention that was required to get HD feeds for AT&T and FiOS MSG is a bastard company. But why shoould they sell their product to TW or Dish for less than what DirecTV and Fios pay them?
TheChimp Posted January 15, 2012 Report Posted January 15, 2012 When the two billion-dollar companies finally "settle their dispute", and they announce that coverage will be resumed, but at a much higher price, and everybody is so desperate to see their team on TV that they all suck it up silently and pay it, how many of you will be clever enough to see what just happened?
nobody Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 Hopefully the Sabres will make sure they have an out clause in any future contract where maybe they are guarenteed to be within a certain percentage of homes in their market or something.
SportsFan88 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 MSG is a bastard company. But why shoould they sell their product to TW or Dish for less than what DirecTV and Fios pay them? You could say that but, Crime Warner is nothing special to behold itself.
Miller30 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 MSG is a bastard company. But why shoould they sell their product to TW or Dish for less than what DirecTV and Fios pay them? Total number of subscribers in the viewing area would be one reason. If I had 500,000 subscribers and you had 100,000 I would expect to pay less than you.
Doohicksie Posted January 17, 2012 Report Posted January 17, 2012 You guys shouldn't really be that upset. Think about the timing here. No MSG on TW and right at the same time, the Sabres totally tank. You should be thanking both sides for not being able to come to an agreement.
SportsFan88 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Anybody see this, this morning? https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/
beerme1 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 You could say that but, Crime Warner is nothing special to behold itself. i have said they are both ###### companies that basically just want to rape their customers. Total number of subscribers in the viewing area would be one reason. If I had 500,000 subscribers and you had 100,000 I would expect to pay less than you. Not sure I'm following you. MSG charges their fee per subcriber I believe, so in fact they would be paying the same price. Yes 500,000 x $6 is $3,000,000 and 100,000 x $6 is $600,000 but the rate per sub is still the same price. It's not that because you have less subs you should pay less per sub. If Verizon and DirecTV pay $6.00 per sub why shouldn't TW? I think that is how simple it is. DirecTV has 30 million subs obviously their total will be high but the same per sub fee.
Miller30 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 i have said they are both ###### companies that basically just want to rape their customers. Not sure I'm following you. MSG charges their fee per subcriber I believe, so in fact they would be paying the same price. Yes 500,000 x $6 is $3,000,000 and 100,000 x $6 is $600,000 but the rate per sub is still the same price. It's not that because you have less subs you should pay less per sub. If Verizon and DirecTV pay $6.00 per sub why shouldn't TW? I think that is how simple it is. DirecTV has 30 million subs obviously their total will be high but the same per sub fee. Buying power – I’m responsible for communications as part of my job duties. We have 1,368 cell phones on our account; do you think I pay the same per subscriber as the corner store who has 5 employees? DirectTV may have 30 million subscribers but how many subscribers in the MSG market or better yet how many subscribers that actually tune into MSG. If you are outside of the MSG market – say California you have to subscribe to the Premier package to get MSG. The original question was “MSG is a bastard company. But why should they sell their product to TW or Dish for less than what DirecTV and Fios pay them?” I was just throwing out one reason. I know as a business person I try to leverage my buying power wherever I can.
spndnchz Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Anybody see this, this morning? https://www.google.c...ing/takeaction/ Yeah, Wikipedia is blacked out today.
Miller30 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Yeah, Wikipedia is blacked out today. The GR guys were flipping this morning because it (Wikipedia) was down. It was quite humorous to hear that they use Wikipedia as a source of reference for facts. Guess they don’t know that just about anyone can edit Wikipedia – if it’s on the internet it must be fact
Bmwolf21 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Yeah, Wikipedia is blacked out today. A bunch of sites are blacked out or have something similar going on for the Stop SOPA/PIPA bills. Google has a black band over the logo, Reddit is blacked out, Mozilla, TwitPic, and others are all putting up some sort of blackout protest/petitions/landing pages. A list (I assume incomplete) of sites participating can be found HERE.
beerme1 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Buying power – I’m responsible for communications as part of my job duties. We have 1,368 cell phones on our account; do you think I pay the same per subscriber as the corner store who has 5 employees? DirectTV may have 30 million subscribers but how many subscribers in the MSG market or better yet how many subscribers that actually tune into MSG. If you are outside of the MSG market – say California you have to subscribe to the Premier package to get MSG. The original question was “MSG is a bastard company. But why should they sell their product to TW or Dish for less than what DirecTV and Fios pay them?” I was just throwing out one reason. I know as a business person I try to leverage my buying power wherever I can. I appreciate your view and the idea of leverage in the business world. However the sandbox that is carriage fees in the tv world are based on logic that is not applicable to a logical person. They work in their own world and damn if anyone can truly grasp the reasoning. I am merely trying to boil it down to simple thought based on what they are saying. Pay us what others pay or dont pay us at all. I dont think they care how many subs you bring to the table. Logic doesn't apply here. I truly believe they are trying to make a bigger play for cable franchise rights in the NYC area by putting the squeeze on here and make some municipalities let them in. If i'm right they're even dirtier bastards than I had thought. I think the revenue they generate via MSG is chump change compared to what they have the chance to pounce on by expanding the Cablevision footprint. Especially in the NYC area. Around here they dont care and just want you to switch to fios or dtv as evidenced by the heavy advertising they continue to do.
LabattBlue Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 Guess they don’t know that just about anyone can edit Wikipedia – if it’s on the internet it must be fact That doesn't mean everything on there is BS. I use wikipedia all the time.
shrader Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 That doesn't mean everything on there is BS. I use wikipedia all the time. Do you go there on your own or is it just the first thing that comes up in a google search? That's the one thing wikipedia definitely has locked down right now.
FolignosJock Posted January 18, 2012 Report Posted January 18, 2012 The GR guys were flipping this morning because it (Wikipedia) was down. It was quite humorous to hear that they use Wikipedia as a source of reference for facts. Guess they don’t know that just about anyone can edit Wikipedia – if it’s on the internet it must be fact Wikipedia is actually a pretty good source unless A) You are writing a collegiate research paper and B) You arent a complete idiot and can tell when something is obviously made up. Do you go there on your own or is it just the first thing that comes up in a google search? That's the one thing wikipedia definitely has locked down right now. Yeah its the first thing that comes up and is pretty reliable as far as the casual fan is concerned.
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