Andrew Amerk Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Bring in a new coach. Bring in an on-ice leader that produces points. Shed some of the "top" players that aren't giving an honest effort. Simple.
RazielSabre Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Bring in a new coach. Bring in an on-ice leader that produces points. Shed some of the "top" players that aren't giving an honest effort. Simple. Almost every team in the league wants one of those and the only ones I see any chance of us getting are Iginla, Nash or Staal, three HIGHLY sort after players.
deluca67 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 OK, but would a roster shakeup give you what you need? Do you need that AND a coaching change? Not arguing, just asking. Personally, I need a roster shakeup. Not a full teardown, but I want changes (plural) in the "top 6." Do you really want Regier in charge of a roster shakeup? You know his heart wouldn't be in it. Even if it was, I don't feel Regier is qualified to make the decisions.
Rico7 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Almost every team in the league wants one of those and the only ones I see any chance of us getting are Iginla, Nash or Staal, three HIGHLY sort after players. Darcy seems to have some sort of comfort level dealing with Calgary, so I would see Iginla as the likeliest ofthat group. Not saying its goingto happen though with any of them because, one, I have zero faith in Regier to get anything on that level done, and two, even if he could the asking price wold be too high for him.
nfreeman Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Do you really want Regier in charge of a roster shakeup? You know his heart wouldn't be in it. Even if it was, I don't feel Regier is qualified to make the decisions. This is a fair question and your opinion about him not being qualified is quite reasonable. Personally I would like to see what happens over the next few weeks before making that determination, as IMHO DR has made enough good moves in the past to make me think he can deliver the goods this time. But it certainly wouldn't be unreasonable to have lost faith in his ability to do so -- or for TP/TB to bring in someone else to make the moves.
deluca67 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 This is a fair question and your opinion about him not being qualified is quite reasonable. Personally I would like to see what happens over the next few weeks before making that determination, as IMHO DR has made enough good moves in the past to make me think he can deliver the goods this time. But it certainly wouldn't be unreasonable to have lost faith in his ability to do so -- or for TP/TB to bring in someone else to make the moves. My biggest concern about Regier staying on and making deals is that the Sabres will miss out. That a Nathan Horton type player becomes available and ends up somewhere else. Regier has made some good moves in the past. As much as I dislike the Lieno/Stafford signings, I liked the Regehr and Ehrhoff acquisitions. IMO, The type of moves I would like to see the Sabres make are out of Regier's comfort zone. They involve too much risk for his liking. There is something to be said for caution, i would just rather see caution thrown to the wind now and then. The Sabres are a mediocre team built of very safe principle and practices. The Sabres need a GM that will take them out of their comfort zone. If having a owner with deep pockets and a willingness to spend isn’t time to start gambling, when will it ever be time?
RazielSabre Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Darcy seems to have some sort of comfort level dealing with Calgary, so I would see Iginla as the likeliest ofthat group. Not saying its goingto happen though with any of them because, one, I have zero faith in Regier to get anything on that level done, and two, even if he could the asking price wold be too high for him. Seeing as we got Regehr for Butler maybe we could swing Iginla for Stafford and a 2nd. :thumbsup:
carpandean Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Do you really want Regier in charge of a roster shakeup? You know his heart wouldn't be in it. Even if it was, I don't feel Regier is qualified to make the decisions. That's my biggest concern. Changing coaches, to me, has a less permanent effect on the franchise than changing players (which, of course, is the purview of the GM.) Having a new coach may light a spark in some players for a bit, which might help them this year; having a new GM, can not only spark short-run change (by, for example, trading a core player), but can change the long-run personality of the team. If the GM makes bad decisions, the consequences are far more difficult to undo.
deluca67 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 That's my biggest concern. Changing coaches, to me, has a less permanent effect on the franchise than changing players (which, of course, is the purview of the GM.) Having a new coach may light a spark in some players for a bit, which might help them this year; having a new GM, can not only spark short-run change (by, for example, trading a core player), but can change the long-run personality of the team. If the GM makes bad decisions, the consequences are far more difficult to undo. As a fan, you want to feel that your GM is an asset. I don't get that feeling with Regier. I consider Regier more of an obstacle to achieving that ultimate goal.
deluca67 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Seeing as we got Regehr for Butler maybe we could swing Iginla for Stafford and a 2nd. :thumbsup: Speaking of Butler, he is outplaying Regehr. Butler 1 goal 9 points +3 21:15 minutes per game 33 hits 62 blocked shots Regehr 0 goals 2 points -11 19:02 minutes per game 96 hits 60 blocked shots Regehr is more physical as advertised, considering he is 6 years older than Butler and the cap space saved I doubt the Flames consider that they were robbed in the deal. I would still make the trade today, I just don't want to see the quality of player Butler is portrayed incorrectly. The Sabres definitely gave up something to get something.
RazielSabre Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Speaking of Butler, he is outplaying Regehr. Butler 1 goal 9 points +3 21:15 minutes per game 33 hits 62 blocked shots Regehr 0 goals 2 points -11 19:02 minutes per game 96 hits 60 blocked shots Regehr is more physical as advertised, considering he is 6 years older than Butler and the cap space saved I doubt the Flames consider that they were robbed in the deal. I would still make the trade today, I just don't want to see the quality of player Butler is portrayed incorrectly. The Sabres definitely gave up something to get something. I was never sold on him, he was another Leopold, not quite offensive not quite defensive. Never really liked him, maybe thats screwed my vision. Not disagreeing, it wasn't Gratton for Briere again by any means.
Ross Rhea Posted January 5, 2012 Report Posted January 5, 2012 I once came home to find that all of my furniture had been stolen. And replaced with an exact replica. LOL! I love Steve Wright.
Taro T Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Speaking of Butler, he is outplaying Regehr. Butler 1 goal 9 points +3 21:15 minutes per game 33 hits 62 blocked shots Regehr 0 goals 2 points -11 19:02 minutes per game 96 hits 60 blocked shots Regehr is more physical as advertised, considering he is 6 years older than Butler and the cap space saved I doubt the Flames consider that they were robbed in the deal. I would still make the trade today, I just don't want to see the quality of player Butler is portrayed incorrectly. The Sabres definitely gave up something to get something. He's not 'outplaying' him quite as much as you make it out to be. Last I checked Regehr hadn't had a -7 game. ;)
deluca67 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 He's not 'outplaying' him quite as much as you make it out to be. Last I checked Regehr hadn't had a -7 game. ;) Bad night for the kid and the Flames all around. Even with the -7 he is a +7 over Regehr. :thumbsup:
waldo Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Almost every team in the league wants one of those and the only ones I see any chance of us getting are Iginla, Nash or Staal, three HIGHLY sort after players. Of the three they get Staal LOL! I love Steve Wright. Agreed, a funny funny man. He would make a great Sabres coach. " Roy looked pretty good going down the middle, he made the defense look silly. Then i realized he did not have the puck when the other team scored."
RazielSabre Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Of the three they get Staal Stuff Getzlaf I'd go for Staal. I'd be happy with a middle of Staal - Leino - Hecht - Gausted. Assuming we give up Ennis and Roy in the deal, or a deal.
deluca67 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Stuff Getzlaf I'd go for Staal. I'd be happy with a middle of Staal - Leino - Hecht - Gausted. Assuming we give up Ennis and Roy in the deal, or a deal. Keep in mind Getzlaf has one more year left on his contract at $6.125 and Staal has four additional years at about $9 mil per year.
RazielSabre Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Keep in mind Getzlaf has one more year left on his contract at $6.125 and Staal has four additional years at about $9 mil per year. Good point. I'd still cut salary to get him over Getzlaf though. EDIT: Let me explain that. Getzlaf hasn't completed more than 67 games since the 08-09 season and has put up numbers on an Anaheim squad with 4 deadly forwards, including one of my hockey heros, Selanne. Staal has shown he can play a full season, has played in the eastern conference (that does matter still imho). Staal has also put up 100 points and was a 2nd overall pick, 3 above our very own Vanek (ok, thats a dumb reason but I like it :D). His overpaid but I reckon Carolina will part with him if given the incentive and there aren't many teams who'd pay his salary.
spndnchz Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Almost every team in the league wants one of those and the only ones I see any chance of us getting are Iginla, Nash or Staal, three HIGHLY sort after players. Staal has a no trade clause so cross him off the list. I don't see him waiving it to leave Carolina.
Realist Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Staal is the face of the franchise, even if he was willing to waive the clause, I just can't see Carolina dealing him.
RazielSabre Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Staal has a no trade clause so cross him off the list. I don't see him waiving it to leave Carolina. Meh anythings possible. Look at their roster, they have Skinner now but no real wingers and no real direction. If we were willing to sacrifice something and we could get him to waive the clause (not completely out of the question imho). We have a direction a goal and some decent wingers for him to work with. We also have trade bait at almost every position. IMHO we could pull it off, but probably not with Regier. NOTE: I'm NOT preparing this to the Getzlaf idea. Please dont think I am, both are legitamate options and I don't think Regier has the ability to pull of either.
Realist Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Meh anythings possible. Look at their roster, they have Skinner now but no real wingers and no real direction. If we were willing to sacrifice something and we could get him to waive the clause (not completely out of the question imho). We have a direction a goal and some decent wingers for him to work with. We also have trade bait at almost every position. IMHO we could pull it off, but probably not with Regier. NOTE: I'm NOT preparing this to the Getzlaf idea. Please dont think I am, both are legitamate options and I don't think Regier has the ability to pull of either. It's not that Regier doesn't have the ability, he just doesn't want to. He is way to into his core players and refuses to send them packing. How long has it taken him to get rid of Connelly? As fans, most of us knew he didn't have it anymore about 4 years ago. So at that pace, Darcy will get rid of a player like Roy in 2015 or so.
RazielSabre Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 It's not that Regier doesn't have the ability, he just doesn't want to. He is way to into his core players and refuses to send them packing. How long has it taken him to get rid of Connelly? As fans, most of us knew he didn't have it anymore about 4 years ago. So at that pace, Darcy will get rid of a player like Roy in 2015 or so. Well either way it won't happen under Regier because he won't pay the price to get the player for whatever reason.
TheChimp Posted January 7, 2012 Report Posted January 7, 2012 Speaking of Butler, he is outplaying Regehr. Butler 1 goal 9 points +3 21:15 minutes per game 33 hits 62 blocked shots Regehr 0 goals 2 points -11 19:02 minutes per game 96 hits 60 blocked shots Regehr is more physical as advertised, considering he is 6 years older than Butler and the cap space saved I doubt the Flames consider that they were robbed in the deal. I would still make the trade today, I just don't want to see the quality of player Butler is portrayed incorrectly. The Sabres definitely gave up something to get something. OK I'm really mad now.
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