spndnchz Posted December 26, 2011 Author Report Posted December 26, 2011 Why? Pegula has the money. Send them to Rochester. Worst decision ever. Still count against the cap then when you need them back because of injuries the get claimed and you pay half their cap. Of course you know this so why would you say it?
deluca67 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Worst decision ever. Still count against the cap then when you need them back because of injuries the get claimed and you pay half their cap. Of course you know this so why would you say it? Why would you need them back because of injury? Bury them in Rochester like they did Morrisonn, at least until you can trade them.
wingnut Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Repeat after me.... Bring the energy from last week... bring the energy from last week.... If they play with that much effort - those are the kind of games where Hecht gets those crazy no-way-he-just-scored-from-there goals.
LGR4GM Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Why would you need them back because of injury? Bury them in Rochester like they did Morrisonn, at least until you can trade them. Worst decision ever. Still count against the cap then when you need them back because of injuries the get claimed and you pay half their cap. Of course you know this so why would you say it? Chz if I am not mistaken if you buried someone in Rochester than managed to trade them they would have to clear waivers to be called up from the other teams AHL affiliate to the NHL correct? Your waiver eligibility still applies is what I am asking. Also they would have to clear waivers to get to rochester so why wouldn't a team pick them up there for free?
sabresnutinphoenix Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 I think we can start making trades....let's not wait until the deadline Darcy...
Eleven Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Why? Pegula has the money. Send them to Rochester. You'd rather Chewie and Ellis, for example, over Hecht and Boyes? No team has 20 all-stars. Guys like Hecht and Boys are important, even if overpaid.
deluca67 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 You'd rather Chewie and Ellis, for example, over Hecht and Boyes? No team has 20 all-stars. Guys like Hecht and Boys are important, even if overpaid. I don't consider Hecht or Boyes as pieces to a Stanley Cup puzzle. I seriously doubt either will be here beyond their contract expiring at the end of the year. IMO, there is no reason for either to see ice time in a Sabre uniform. Are Ellis or Szczechura answers to any of the Sabres need? Ellis? NO. Szczechura? I would like to see more of the kid over the rest of the season.
spndnchz Posted December 26, 2011 Author Report Posted December 26, 2011 Chz if I am not mistaken if you buried someone in Rochester than managed to trade them they would have to clear waivers to be called up from the other teams AHL affiliate to the NHL correct? Your waiver eligibility still applies is what I am asking. Also they would have to clear waivers to get to rochester so why wouldn't a team pick them up there for free? Exactly. It would be ###### ridiculous.
Eleven Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 I don't consider Hecht or Boyes as pieces to a Stanley Cup puzzle. I seriously doubt either will be here beyond their contract expiring at the end of the year. IMO, there is no reason for either to see ice time in a Sabre uniform. Are Ellis or Szczechura answers to any of the Sabres need? Ellis? NO. Szczechura? I would like to see more of the kid over the rest of the season. Let me know when you work out how to build a team with 4 Getzlafs, 4 Vaneks, 4 Giroux, 6 Charas, and 2 Vezina contenders. EVERY team, including those that win Stanley Cups, has players like Hecht and Boyes.
deluca67 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Let me know when you work out how to build a team with 4 Getzlafs, 4 Vaneks, 4 Giroux, 6 Charas, and 2 Vezina contenders. That's a reasonable comparison for two career underachievers.
Eleven Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 That's a reasonable comparison for two career underachievers. They're not underachievers, they are overpaid. But they achieve to their abilities. Stafford is an underachiever. Hope my edit made the point more clear.
deluca67 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 They're not underachievers, they are overpaid. But they achieve to their abilities. Stafford is an underachiever. Hope my edit made the point more clear. Let's say this is 100% true, you want them on the roster why?
Weave Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Let's say this is 100% true, you want them on the roster why? There would be room on my roster for a Brad Boyes. Maybe not Hecht any longer but I might've had a different answer 3 years ago. Deluca, I'm not sure I see the point of have two AHL'ers on the roster over two proven NHL'ers, unless your goal is a complete roster purge and tank job. And if it is, it would've been a lot easier to just say that at the start. Personally, I don't think it needs to be that drastic but I can understand why someone would think otherwise.
Eleven Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Let's say this is 100% true, you want them on the roster why? Because the team can't and doesn't have 4 Getzlafs, 4 Vaneks, 4 Giroux, 6 Charas, and 2 Vezina contenders. Every team needs veterans who can settle down the tempo of a game, take care of the puck, and just be reliable, if not all-stars. Like I wrote above, in the part that you omitted, even the Stanley Cup winners have those guys, year after year. Right now, the guys the Sabres have are Hecht and Boyes. If they are traded for two others of similar caliber, it won't bother me a bit. I'm not a huge fan of either, nor do I have a grudge against either; they are somewhat fungible role-players, and that's all. But you are proposing to outright dump them, and the Sabres can't do that. Hecht and Boyes are far from world-beaters, but they are better than a lot of guys who have had to fill in lately.
Iron Crotch Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 There would be room on my roster for a Brad Boyes. Maybe not Hecht any longer but I might've had a different answer 3 years ago. Deluca, I'm not sure I see the point of have two AHL'ers on the roster over two proven NHL'ers, unless your goal is a complete roster purge and tank job. And if it is, it would've been a lot easier to just say that at the start. Personally, I don't think it needs to be that drastic but I can understand why someone would think otherwise. Yeah, Boyes averages around .7 points per game for his career, which is very solid. Plus he has done most of that scoring 5-on-5 (not to mention he is one of the best shootout scorers in the league). Given our inability to generate much 5-on-5 scoring lately, I'd definitely take him over Chewie, Whitmore, Ellis, and company. With the exception of Kassian, I'm not sure any of the AHLers have the potential to even come close to the .7 PPG NHL scoring level.
darksabre Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 There would be room on my roster for a Brad Boyes. Maybe not Hecht any longer but I might've had a different answer 3 years ago. Deluca, I'm not sure I see the point of have two AHL'ers on the roster over two proven NHL'ers, unless your goal is a complete roster purge and tank job. And if it is, it would've been a lot easier to just say that at the start. Personally, I don't think it needs to be that drastic but I can understand why someone would think otherwise. He's already said that that is his goal. Anything less is considered a sign of apathy and weakness. Arguing against the drastic makes you less of a fan and part of the problem festering deep in the bowels of the Sabres organization.
Dave Dryden Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Because the team can't and doesn't have 4 Getzlafs, 4 Vaneks, 4 Giroux, 6 Charas, and 2 Vezina contenders. Every team needs veterans who can settle down the tempo of a game, take care of the puck, and just be reliable, if not all-stars. Like I wrote above, in the part that you omitted, even the Stanley Cup winners have those guys, year after year. Right now, the guys the Sabres have are Hecht and Boyes. If they are traded for two others of similar caliber, it won't bother me a bit. I'm not a huge fan of either, nor do I have a grudge against either; they are somewhat fungible role-players, and that's all. But you are proposing to outright dump them, and the Sabres can't do that. Hecht and Boyes are far from world-beaters, but they are better than a lot of guys who have had to fill in lately. The team chemistry is so good right now, and the results so good, that he does not want to upset the karma.
deluca67 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 There would be room on my roster for a Brad Boyes. Maybe not Hecht any longer but I might've had a different answer 3 years ago. Deluca, I'm not sure I see the point of have two AHL'ers on the roster over two proven NHL'ers, unless your goal is a complete roster purge and tank job. And if it is, it would've been a lot easier to just say that at the start. Personally, I don't think it needs to be that drastic but I can understand why someone would think otherwise. Proven? What have Boyes and Hecht proven, other than you can make money in the NHL with a combo of limited offensive talent and less than inspiring effort? Yeah, Boyes averages around .7 points per game for his career, which is very solid. Plus he has done most of that scoring 5-on-5 (not to mention he is one of the best shootout scorers in the league). Given our inability to generate much 5-on-5 scoring lately, I'd definitely take him over Chewie, Whitmore, Ellis, and company. With the exception of Kassian, I'm not sure any of the AHLers have the potential to even come close to the .7 PPG NHL scoring level. Boyes is nowhere the level of offensive threat he was in St.Louis for those two years. He has 7 goals in his 42 game Sabre career. Right now Boyes is just a guy hanging around the league earning a paycheck. The team chemistry is so good right now, and the results so good, that he does not want to upset the karma. Wouldn't make a difference is a bit more accurate.
kishoph Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Just as likely that they will be talking about "over back-checking" if Miller lets in another long range softie. There is no limit to the excuses this team can come up with. "Over back-checking" has to be an all-time classic. No greater words have been spoken by a Buffalo sports figure since Wade Philips uttered the words "punt catcher." To me it seemed like Pommers was directly throwing Kaleta under the bus by giving so much blame to the "over back-checking" seeing that it was Kaleta that was the guilty one on that goal. I just thought that Pommers doesn't say Boo all year, then he puts so much emphasis on the "over back-checking" as almost the sole cause of the loss. I guess that Kaleta has to fit in with his teammates and just coast back down the ice to avoid the "over back-checking." If I was Pommers, I would avoid throwing Kaleta under the bus (could result in a blackeye), wait till Ennis gets back and blame him like Lindy does, it's probably safer. I do like that Pommers finally spoke up, but if you're going to point fingers (which I think he did), spread it around, there's no shortage of bad play to be called out and do it privately, not in your post game presser. Also, I really don't think that Kaleta would hit a teammate, but maybe sometimes I wish he would. I think we're going to see a good effort out there tonight, I'm feeling more optimistic about the team going into tonight's game then I have in a while. Maybe it's the effects of the Holidays. GO SABRES.
SwampD Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 [This is an automated response] This topic is being discussed in every other GD thread. STFU and talk about tonight's game.
Weave Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Proven? What have Boyes and Hecht proven, other than you can make money in the NHL with a combo of limited offensive talent and less than inspiring effort? I think you are being overly harsh with your assessment of these two in particular. I suspect you know my feelings towards Hecht, which isn't overly positive, but he can certainly play at an NHL level. And that is what he's proven. I have to ask. Do you prefer we ice a team that doesn't have the skill level and decision making experience of the other NHL teams? Are you OK with what you saw in Toronto, a team that didn't have enough NHL level ability to win a game it played well in? IMO if you do you are conceding the season. I'm not ready for that yet. Yet.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 [This is an automated response] This topic is being discussed in every other GD thread. STFU and talk about tonight's game. Ovechkin probably got Vodka'd up Christmas Eve and will be a slep slow.
Weave Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 He's already said that that is his goal. Anything less is considered a sign of apathy and weakness. Arguing against the drastic makes you less of a fan and part of the problem festering deep in the bowels of the Sabres organization. I missed these posts when I replied. I understand wanting a roster purge. But sitting NHL'ers now in favor of marginal AHL'ers does not accomplish that goal and doesn't do anything to promote that goal either. These guys need to play if we are going to be able to move them at all. Sitting them or putting them in Roc has no positive outcome other than a better first round draft position. I think the time for that sort of thinking is not yet here.
SwampD Posted December 26, 2011 Report Posted December 26, 2011 Ovechkin probably got Vodka'd up Christmas Eve and will be a slep slow. See, now this is the sort of in depth gameday analysis I'm looking for. I'm mean, Hecht is not a proven NHLer?,.. Really?! FTR, I'm a step slower cuz I'm vodka'd up right now. Hope I make it to game time.
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