What would you do if you were in charge?

[LGR4GM]

As of this moment in time if I were Tedd Black, I would immediately fire Darcy citing the fact he has a distinct inability to make improvements to the hockey club. I would instruct the GM that all players aged 26 or over are considered trade-able with the exception of Vanek. Also I expect at least 2 members of the "core" to be gone before the trade deadline. I would also instruct my new GM that we are rebuilding so either trade for guys with time left on contracts or picks/prospects. Finally I would note that at least 2 defenders need to be moved before the deadline.

 

With the GM squared away I would then allow them to decide on coaching. The new coach (Ruff would almost certainly be fired) would then be required to name new captains and hell would freeze over before Drew freaking Stafford got any sort of letter.

 

5 years. I'll say it again, 5 years. That is how long this "core" has had to gel and do something yet they continually "underachieve" . Well I have news for you, its not underachieving anymore its simply their ceiling. Time to bring in a new core and rebuild. 5 years, 0 series wins and only 2 playoff appearances... How do you spell that out more?

[BuffaloSoldier2010]

As of this moment in time if I were Tedd Black, I would immediately fire Darcy citing the fact he has a distinct inability to make improvements to the hockey club. I would instruct the GM that all players aged 26 or over are considered trade-able with the exception of Vanek. Also I expect at least 2 members of the "core" to be gone before the trade deadline. I would also instruct my new GM that we are rebuilding so either trade for guys with time left on contracts or picks/prospects. Finally I would note that at least 2 defenders need to be moved before the deadline.

 

With the GM squared away I would then allow them to decide on coaching. The new coach (Ruff would almost certainly be fired) would then be required to name new captains and hell would freeze over before Drew freaking Stafford got any sort of letter.

 

5 years. I'll say it again, 5 years. That is how long this "core" has had to gel and do something yet they continually "underachieve" . Well I have news for you, its not underachieving anymore its simply their ceiling. Time to bring in a new core and rebuild. 5 years, 0 series wins and only 2 playoff appearances... How do you spell that out more?

 

great post liger.

[TheChimp]

I'd fire Lindy. Did I say that already?

[qwksndmonster]

As of this moment in time if I were Tedd Black, I would immediately fire Darcy citing the fact he has a distinct inability to make improvements to the hockey club. I would instruct the GM that all players aged 26 or over are considered trade-able with the exception of Vanek. Also I expect at least 2 members of the "core" to be gone before the trade deadline. I would also instruct my new GM that we are rebuilding so either trade for guys with time left on contracts or picks/prospects. Finally I would note that at least 2 defenders need to be moved before the deadline.

 

With the GM squared away I would then allow them to decide on coaching. The new coach (Ruff would almost certainly be fired) would then be required to name new captains and hell would freeze over before Drew freaking Stafford got any sort of letter.

 

5 years. I'll say it again, 5 years. That is how long this "core" has had to gel and do something yet they continually "underachieve" . Well I have news for you, its not underachieving anymore its simply their ceiling. Time to bring in a new core and rebuild. 5 years, 0 series wins and only 2 playoff appearances... How do you spell that out more?

A little early to be counting chickens.

[RazielSabre]

Can you picture any of the guys currently wearing letters, standing up in the locker room, and ripping the team? Vanek? Pominville? Stafford? Roy? Gaustad?

 

I'd be surprised if these guys even look one another in the eye between periods? I picture a bunch of players staring at the logo in the middle of the locker room floor?

 

Vanek, Pomiville yes. Gausted, maybe. No for the other two. Apparently after the 1st intermission of the last game half the team rip into everyone and just went crazy.

 

Me too, but I'd give the Bruins one more chance at Lucic for Vanek first and if they bite then see what along with Myers it would take to get Staal. If the Bruins don't go for Lucic for Vanek, then I'd trade him for Staal.

Great idea trade for the one person most players and fans hate. Brilliant. Mind blowing infact.

 

As of this moment in time if I were Tedd Black, I would immediately fire Darcy citing the fact he has a distinct inability to make improvements to the hockey club. I would instruct the GM that all players aged 26 or over are considered trade-able with the exception of Vanek. Also I expect at least 2 members of the "core" to be gone before the trade deadline. I would also instruct my new GM that we are rebuilding so either trade for guys with time left on contracts or picks/prospects. Finally I would note that at least 2 defenders need to be moved before the deadline.

 

With the GM squared away I would then allow them to decide on coaching. The new coach (Ruff would almost certainly be fired) would then be required to name new captains and hell would freeze over before Drew freaking Stafford got any sort of letter.

 

5 years. I'll say it again, 5 years. That is how long this "core" has had to gel and do something yet they continually "underachieve" . Well I have news for you, its not underachieving anymore its simply their ceiling. Time to bring in a new core and rebuild. 5 years, 0 series wins and only 2 playoff appearances... How do you spell that out more?

So you wouldn't improve our prospect pool at all. I'm pretty sure there are about 5 with some trade value who we're never going to use or sign.

 

Excellent breakdown, I disagree on the amount of instruction given to a GM. I can't see anyone accepting the job if their just going to be told what to do at any cost. It's not always that easy.

[Huckleberry]

Lucic or staal for vanek, im glad the people that propose such insanity aren't running things.

Trade picks and prospects for #1 center great, but you can't really do that without dumping salary, so that is a no no.

 

only way to get the likes of carter, getzlaff or staal would be by offering up some of our own core and dump salary along with it.

preferably Roy and stafford. pommer and vanek are not tradeable in my mind. Willing to give up myers if it lands us getzlaff though.

[Gramps]

Prior to T-Peg, Darcy was constrained by finances. IMO, now he's constrained by his own ego and refusal to admit his strategies have and are failing. He stated last night in Carolina that no changes are imminent and this team is only a few points out of a playoff spot. Trading away "core" resources like Roy, Stafford, Miller, Gaustad would be admitting defeat on his part. But clearly he must see that only 2 players are consistently scoring on this team and the rest of the supporting cast are just stagehands. And surely he must see that Miller is past his prime and not the goaltender we knew a couple of seasons ago. I'm willing to give him to the trade deadline to improve the roster, but if things remains status quo, Darcy needs to go, long tenure or not.

[Eleven]

Prior to T-Peg, Darcy was constrained by finances. IMO, now he's constrained by his own ego and refusal to admit his strategies have and are failing. He stated last night in Carolina that no changes are imminent and this team is only a few points out of a playoff spot. Trading away "core" resources like Roy, Stafford, Miller, Gaustad would be admitting defeat on his part. But clearly he must see that only 2 players are consistently scoring on this team and the rest of the supporting cast are just stagehands. And surely he must see that Miller is past his prime and not the goaltender we knew a couple of seasons ago. I'm willing to give him to the trade deadline to improve the roster, but if things remains status quo, Darcy needs to go, long tenure or not.

 

I'm not ready to declare Miller to be over-the-hill, but the rest of that post: yep.

[Tom]

I originally voted to fire the coach and General Manager, but after the Carolina game, I have what I consider a better idea. First fire the GM,second, Terry tells the players in a meeting, they play for him. Therefore all outside activities except visiting kids at the hospital are canceled. That means Sabre green and all. Third, Danny Gare is put in charge of training the forwards, meaning just like Danny did, these guys will practice till taking an accurate shot is like taking a breath. Fourth all defense men will attend video and ice training with Mike Robitaille. Before laughing or finding fault suggest someone at hand who could do the job. Mike has ideas the team right now has none. Fifth get some local college hockey players, you can't pay them, but I think their coaches would love the practice and go after Miller andEnroth. I know they are only college players but the goal tenders need the work and when all this is done you then consider trades if they still don't play. The team will only play up to what is expected of them. Right now Terry, Ted, Darcy and Lindsay don't expect much after all injuries, hurt feelings, and why me answer it all. BUFFALO FANS DESERVE BETTER!

Tom

[Ross Rhea]

Prior to T-Peg, Darcy was constrained by finances. IMO, now he's constrained by his own ego and refusal to admit his strategies have and are failing. He stated last night in Carolina that no changes are imminent and this team is only a few points out of a playoff spot. Trading away "core" resources like Roy, Stafford, Miller, Gaustad would be admitting defeat on his part. But clearly he must see that only 2 players are consistently scoring on this team and the rest of the supporting cast are just stagehands. And surely he must see that Miller is past his prime and not the goaltender we knew a couple of seasons ago. I'm willing to give him to the trade deadline to improve the roster, but if things remains status quo, Darcy needs to go, long tenure or not.

 

That is really sad, that it seems, Regier seems to be defining success this year on whether or not they just squeek into the playoffs. So in Darcys eyes they do not need to win they just need to get there. I sure as hell hope TP isn't satisfied with just that as TG seemed to be.

[bunomatic]

That is really sad, that it seems, Regier seems to be defining success this year on whether or not they just squeek into the playoffs. So in Darcys eyes they do not need to win they just need to get there. I sure as hell hope TP isn't satisfied with just that as TG seemed to be.

 

This is how Darcy has always measured success. This is how team kittens and sunshine measures success. Regier has never been a winner and his team will never win. He realizes that once in a blue moon a team will squeek into the playoffs,catch lightening in a bottle and win the cup. Thats Darcys formula and he's sticking to it. He's loyal to a fault and its dragging this team,its fans and the city of Buffalo to the bottom. He can watch,just as we do, year after year what formula works and how to build a team that can compete. Boston is a great example. I despise them so much but they can be admired for how that organization has gone about putting players in place that have compete written all over them. I'm preparing as we speak to watch Boston play Vancouver. That will be an entertaining game. Buff / Winn ? What a joke. This team will go into this game with its coach,players and management having the mindset that we can squeek out a win. Thats all they shoot for and thats all they deserve. To squeek out a win against the bottom feeders.

[chileanseabass]

Check your facts. He was traded from Philly for a good young player (Jakub Voracek), a 1st (7th overall, became Sean Couturier), and a 3rd.

 

A package of Carter and Brassard would be nice to pry away from Columbus. It wouldn't come cheap though. To offset the salaries you'd have to move Roy and someone like Boyes, plus a young defender (Sekera, Brennan, Pysyk) and probably a #1 (or lower pick if it's Pysyk). I'd do it. I could see Brassard flourishing in a new environment, possibly like Briere did. He's been scratched a few times this year IIRC, and both are known to be unhappy in Cbus.

[Randall Flagg]

I can't believe how many people are so willing to give up Myers, did people see the game last night? Myers for Getzlaf? I would never do that. I would keep him just to make sure no other team ever gets him,he is one of our only players other teams have to game plan against.

[Ross Rhea]

I can't believe how many people are so willing to give up Myers, did people see the game last night? Myers for Getzlaf? I would never do that. I would keep him just to make sure no other team ever gets him,he is one of our only players other teams have to game plan against.

 

This.

 

In the end I think Myers will be head and shoulders better than Getzlaf.

 

If a team wants Myers, they sure as hell better be giving up more than Getzlaf. Like maybe Getzlaf and B Ryan. Getzlaf for Myers straight up? No way. Myers is a future HOF, Getzlaf, HOF? I don't think he will be.

[LGR4GM]

A package of Carter and Brassard would be nice to pry away from Columbus. It wouldn't come cheap though. To offset the salaries you'd have to move Roy and someone like Boyes, plus a young defender (Sekera, Brennan, Pysyk) and probably a #1 (or lower pick if it's Pysyk). I'd do it. I could see Brassard flourishing in a new environment, possibly like Briere did. He's been scratched a few times this year IIRC, and both are known to be unhappy in Cbus.

Carter PPGA: 0.736

 

I am not sure where the Jeff Carter is awesome but he doesn't hit that much he scores less points than Roy and he is a whopping year and a half younger. He is not physical enough nor good enough to center our top line considering we already have a player who is better than him who can't center our top line.

[darksabre]

 

Carter PPGA: 0.736

 

I am not sure where the Jeff Carter is awesome but he doesn't hit that much he scores less points than Roy and he is a whopping year and a half younger. He is not physical enough nor good enough to center our top line considering we already have a player who is better than him who can't center our top line.

 

But you have to attribute some of Carter's bad year to the team he's buried on. He's a frustrated man right now I'd imagine. Truth be told, he'd likely do better with our wingers around him.

[Weave]

Carter PPGA: 0.736

 

I am not sure where the Jeff Carter is awesome but he doesn't hit that much he scores less points than Roy and he is a whopping year and a half younger. He is not physical enough nor good enough to center our top line considering we already have a player who is better than him who can't center our top line.

 

It seems to me that it is something in Roy's personality (or whatever) that isn't working. Carter may not be ideal in terms of what he brings statistically or physically, but replacing Roy's presence with Carters' may by just what is needed to start moving things forward.

 

I'm not sold on Carter as an answer, but I am sold on replacing Roy's effect on his linemates and team with someone else's. If that means a bit drop in statistical performance I can live with it. And Carter is a skilled forward and playmaker. It may very well be that Vanek is what HE needs to surpass Roy's stats.

 

We all like to compare the stats of one player to another but they are not pure A to B comparisons. Put Roy in Carter's spot on Carter's teams and chances are pretty good that Roy's stats aren;t the same as they are now. (no I'm not going to predict whether they'd be better or worse. I have no way of knowing or predicting)

[Eleven]

It seems to me that it is something in Roy's personality (or whatever) that isn't working. Carter may not be ideal in terms of what he brings statistically or physically, but replacing Roy's presence with Carters' may by just what is needed to start moving things forward.

 

I'm not sold on Carter as an answer, but I am sold on replacing Roy's effect on his linemates and team with someone else's. If that means a bit drop in statistical performance I can live with it. And Carter is a skilled forward and playmaker. It may very well be that Vanek is what HE needs to surpass Roy's stats.

 

We all like to compare the stats of one player to another but they are not pure A to B comparisons. Put Roy in Carter's spot on Carter's teams and chances are pretty good that Roy's stats aren;t the same as they are now. (no I'm not going to predict whether they'd be better or worse. I have no way of knowing or predicting)

 

I'm not sold on him, either, but this may be the perfect "needs a change of scenery" situation for both guys. That's exactly the type of deal that the Sabres should be trying right now.

[LGR4GM]

But you have to attribute some of Carter's bad year to the team he's buried on. He's a frustrated man right now I'd imagine. Truth be told, he'd likely do better with our wingers around him.

It seems to me that it is something in Roy's personality (or whatever) that isn't working. Carter may not be ideal in terms of what he brings statistically or physically, but replacing Roy's presence with Carters' may by just what is needed to start moving things forward.

 

I'm not sold on Carter as an answer, but I am sold on replacing Roy's effect on his linemates and team with someone else's. If that means a bit drop in statistical performance I can live with it. And Carter is a skilled forward and playmaker. It may very well be that Vanek is what HE needs to surpass Roy's stats.

 

We all like to compare the stats of one player to another but they are not pure A to B comparisons. Put Roy in Carter's spot on Carter's teams and chances are pretty good that Roy's stats aren;t the same as they are now. (no I'm not going to predict whether they'd be better or worse. I have no way of knowing or predicting)

I agree and understand what both of you are saying. Carter probably would do better with Vanek as his winger but I would not go trading the farm or 1st round picks or anything like that for him. Carter is similar to Roy which is a 2nd line center IMHO. If we are going to trade or do whatever it takes for a center, we need to get a bonafide #1 center who has some sort of physical side.

 

One more points, we need to stop paying for potential and get someone who is a #1 with no questions.

[JJFIVEOH]

Isn't Brian McCabe available?

[Weave]

I agree and understand what both of you are saying. Carter probably would do better with Vanek as his winger but I would not go trading the farm or 1st round picks or anything like that for him. Carter is similar to Roy which is a 2nd line center IMHO. If we are going to trade or do whatever it takes for a center, we need to get a bonafide #1 center who has some sort of physical side.

 

One more points, we need to stop paying for potential and get someone who is a #1 with no questions.

 

I doubt we get a #1 center in season. And I don't really need one either. Boston has really opened my mind to the idea that a bunch of decent, but not great, centers can be as effective a path to the cup as an all star center-based team.

[BuffaloSoldier2010]

Carter for Roy and Stafford. Honestly think columbus might go for that. Hell, we could even get a pick in return.

 

Screw it just trade em both for first rounders from the jackets the next few years and I'd be happy.

[Bmwolf21]

I will say that after watching the Ducks highlights from last night, I am officially on the "what do we need to do to get Getzlaf and/or Ryan" bandwagon.

[freester]

This.

 

In the end I think Myers will be head and shoulders better than Getzlaf.

 

If a team wants Myers, they sure as hell better be giving up more than Getzlaf. Like maybe Getzlaf and B Ryan. Getzlaf for Myers straight up? No way. Myers is a future HOF, Getzlaf, HOF? I don't think he will be.

 

I see no evidence whatsoever that Myers is a future HOF. He had a great rookie year, a mediocre 2nd year and this year he has been average. He has not been close to being nominated for the Norris trophy. People overestimate him due to his size. They think he is the next Chara, but he is not tough and physical like Chara.

[LGR4GM]

I see no evidence whatsoever that Myers is a future HOF. He had a great rookie year, a mediocre 2nd year and this year he has been average. He has not been close to being nominated for the Norris trophy. People overestimate him due to his size. They think he is the next Chara, but he is not tough and physical like Chara.

check shea webers first 4 years in the league... up and down each one until bamn! The best defensmen in the NHL