Andrew Amerk Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Terrible. Absolutely terrible. I thought the Pegula regime was going to be holding players and staff to a higher accountability. Yet, Ruff is still around, despite being ineffective. And for some unknown reason, MAG continues to play, despite being downright awful. Lack of leadership (behind the bench and on the ice), and a group of players that seem uninterested and emotionally detached. This won't change by itself. It's that whole quote about the definition of insanity...
ubkev Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Terrible. Absolutely terrible. I thought the Pegula regime was going to be holding players and staff to a higher accountability. Yet, Ruff is still around, despite being ineffective. And for some unknown reason, MAG continues to play, despite being downright awful. Lack of leadership (behind the bench and on the ice), and a group of players that seem uninterested and emotionally detached. This won't change by itself. It's that whole quote about the definition of insanity... Why? I'm not calling you out, I'm just curious as to why you thought Pegula would be holding anyone to a higher standard or accountability. Do we want some loudmouth (Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones) owner who's always in the teams business? Would that be what the team needs right now? It might be, I cant say for sure, who can? I think when Pegula bought the team he was thinking "hey, I'll spend a few bucks, get the place world class facilities and amenities, we'll attract top free agents, get other players to waive no trade clauses and that will get us over the hump from last year. Piece of cake."
LaLaLaFontaine Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 I am just happy i did not watch this game live or recorded. I just watches the condensed version. My anger because of the first two goals switched quickly to disbelief and than to what is in German called "Galgenhumor". I was embarrases after the Boston game because of the lack of grit and passion. Today i am embarrassed, because of the lack of .... how should is say ...... everything. No passion no grit no heart, no defense, no goaltending, no coaching. Pittsburgh spit on the floor, took us, they swept the floor with us and threw us in the corner, were we curled like a frighten kitty. (Pardon my English, i hope you understand what i want to say)
kishoph Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Honestly, how "injured" are we? Besides Myers and Gerbe, what injured sabre can you honestly say would change the course of this team pending his return? The Peguins have the best player in the league hurt, and yet they still murder us and put up 8 goals. This team was flat out unprepared to play tonight, and that's on Ruff. Miller should not have started this game, no reason for the benching of McNabb. The problem is not talent, it's coaching. I've defended Lindy for years now, no longer. In all seriousness, I want him fired tonight. I agree with your take on the injuries and I'm sick of hearing about it ( I don't know what Lindy said about this game), the biggest past of the problem is that Lindy now has his players believing that it's the injuries and they're using it as an excuse. This is the most unmotivated Sabres team I have ever seen and that falls on Lindy, his departure is overdue.
Marvelo Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Why would Coach Ruff put Miller in against the Pens in the first place? He had a 4-9-3 record, 3.25 goals-against average and .886 save percentage in 17 career appearances against them and was 0-5-1 in his last 6 outings vs. the Pens. Plus he just played the night before and gave up 4 to the Leaf. I'm not saying it would make much difference, but Enroth won vs. the Pens 3-2 earlier in the year. Then Ruff took Miller out, put him back in and took him out again. This is just the tip of the iceberg with Ruff's decision making process.
nucci Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Why would Coach Ruff put Miller in against the Pens in the first place? He had a 4-9-3 record, 3.25 goals-against average and .886 save percentage in 17 career appearances against them and was 0-5-1 in his last 6 outings vs. the Pens. Plus he just played the night before and gave up 4 to the Leaf. I'm not saying it would make much difference, but Enroth won vs. the Pens 3-2 earlier in the year. Then Ruff took Miller out, put him back in and took him out again. This is just the tip of the iceberg with Ruff's decision making process. He's your No.1 goalie and should play most games. Having said that, neither goalie is playing well so I doubt Enroth would have made any difference.
Gramps Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 The only thing worth watching in that feeble attempt at being an NHL hockey team were the commercials from Twin City Recycling.
wonderbread Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 The only thing worth watching in that feeble attempt at being an NHL hockey team were the commercials from Twin City Recycling. Link? I had the pens feed.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 I chose to watch the Grinch (Jim Carrey Version) with the family instead of this game, I am glad that I did.
deluca67 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 McNabb took himself out. See page 1 of the thread. As for the rest of the game, it's the players, not the coach. (Montreal is going to be a Cup contender now?) SDS started a whole thread for you to advance your platform; use it. As for the rest of the game, wow. What the ######. This team continues not to show up prepared to play. and it's never the coaches fault. How is that possible? This team was blown out tonight to a team missing the best player in hockey who like the Sabres played the night before and actually got in to town later. When a team looks that pathetic, it is appropriate to call out the coaching in the game day thread.
Samson's Flow Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 This team is pathetic. Care to elaborate? ( :nana: ) This team continues not to show up prepared to play. and it's never the coaches fault. How is that possible? This team was blown out tonight to a team missing the best player in hockey who like the Sabres played the night before and actually got in to town later. When a team looks that pathetic, it is appropriate to call out the coaching in the game day thread. I don't understand how everyone insists that the lack of effort is attributed to the players when it happens on such a consistent basis. One or two players not giving effort/prepared to play is on that particular player, but when it is a team wide trend, happens multiple times a month, and the coach makes excuses in the post-game presser, that leads me to believe the driver of the unprepared play is far more coach than players.
Andrew Amerk Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Why? I'm not calling you out, I'm just curious as to why you thought Pegula would be holding anyone to a higher standard or accountability. Do we want some loudmouth (Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones) owner who's always in the teams business? Would that be what the team needs right now? It might be, I cant say for sure, who can? I think when Pegula bought the team he was thinking "hey, I'll spend a few bucks, get the place world class facilities and amenities, we'll attract top free agents, get other players to waive no trade clauses and that will get us over the hump from last year. Piece of cake." Pegula presented himself as one of us...a fan. He wants Cups, we want Cups. The current team and staff are not going to win a Cup. If that seems clear to most us, it would make sense that he knows it too. He is in a spot to make changes happen, we are not. Of course I do not want some loud jackass owner. I also do not want some passive, uninterested owner like Golisano was. Pegula is a great guy, I am happy that he is our owner. We just need something to change - juggling line combos isn't that type of change needed. The drawback of Pegs becoming owner, is that an extremely high level of excitement and expectation was set, with a short timeframe - and now, the product isn't matching it. I am one of the ones who became consumed in the excitement, and now I want to see changes to get us moving towards the goal again...
Figster Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 No excuse for tonight's performance which will be followed by no accountability. Sitting Mcnabb is just another example of poor coaching by Lindy Ruff. The 60 minutes this team played tonight is another example of of poor coaching. Maybe another closed door meeting is needed? Should it really take another 4-5 months of half efforts in order for there to be a coaching change? I've had to listen to a lot of the oppositions comments(streaming games) and everyone comments on Lindy's long tenure, but they never seem to have any idea why Lindy has been in Buffalo so long. Normally long coaching stints go hand in hand with winning Championships.
Robviously Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 McNabb took himself out. See page 1 of the thread. As for the rest of the game, it's the players, not the coach. (Montreal is going to be a Cup contender now?) SDS started a whole thread for you to advance your platform; use it. As for the rest of the game, wow. What the ######. The coach clearly has a say in which players he has. Ruff's been here since 1997 and Darcy has pretty much said that he will never fire Ruff. So it's not like Ruff is blameless for the listless team he has. He could have pushed (demanded) to have guys moved.
waldo Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Yikes..... huge over reaction guys. A far superior team and 3-4 soft goals eguals 8-3. (Dear Ryan. Have watched you play this team many times. You can not play them in the white ice. They are too quick. The book on you now says "Vulnerable to quick , unanticipated screened releases. High glove or blocker short side when down from 15 in" ) The game should have been 4-3 maybe 5-3. After watching this team over the past dozen games you are all surprised to see the lack of d, the mental mistakes, or lack of physicality and offensive impotentency against elite teams? I found the game tough to watch at times but still entertaining at a very, very dark level. There were plenty of opportunities to smurk, because it is less painfull than a full frown. I felt bad for Miller and Roth. It is tough to have nights like that. It is time for good Lindy to shed his offensive d play small dream and play defense first against the better teams. That way your impotent offense has a chance and you take pressure off your already fragile netminders..You can not give a three line team with speed the zone dear Lindy. If your wingers cannot score have them play d. It is also time to assemble the best scoring line possible out of existing players available and leave them together to gel. There are two lines of offense on this team IMO. The one line needs staying power in the o zone against the opposing teams shutdown line so it needs size and some d you can drop in when needed. The other two d pairs need to be defense first.
Iron Crotch Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 While I agree with most that Lindy's time is about up, I can't blame the coach entirely for the team's consistent lack of effort. I mean, these guys are professionals. They can't get ready to play at a high level without the coach telling them to? Do you need your boss to tell you to work hard every day or are you intrinsically motivated to work hard? If we have a team full of guys who lack motivation and need a coach to yell at them before they decide to play, then that is a problem. That's why I question the internal (player) leadership on this team.
Kristian Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 The sad fact is, not a damn thing has changed since Pegula took over, except the roster got more expensive, so we're down to 2 possibilities : a. Either Darcy donesn't know how to put together a good hockey team. or b. Lindy doesn't know how to coach a good hockey team. Either way, it's time for both of these guys to go, as they're seemingly joined at the hip by choice.
Sabel79 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 While I agree with most that Lindy's time is about up, I can't blame the coach entirely for the team's consistent lack of effort. I mean, these guys are professionals. They can't get ready to play at a high level without the coach telling them to? Do you need your boss to tell you to work hard every day or are you intrinsically motivated to work hard? If we have a team full of guys who lack motivation and need a coach to yell at them before they decide to play, then that is a problem. That's why I question the internal (player) leadership on this team. Here's the issue: In any season Lindy has not been handed readymade locker room leaders, this team has been awful. Lindy inherited Peca, Shannon, Hasek, Ward, May, Boughner, Zhitnik, Galley. Later on, Woolley, Barnes... Also Juneau, Heinze, Andrechyuk (Again) Gilmour... all passed through during the Hasek era. If Lindy was going to win a cup it would have happened 12 years ago at least Unless something bizarre happens during the next CBA negotiations allowing all teams to wipe the books clean...
Dannepanne Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 The sad fact is, not a damn thing has changed since Pegula took over, except the roster got more expensive. They did get a spark last spring, but it's been quite bad otherwise.. Highest payed hockey team in the nhl should definitely be better than this.. And it should be quite hard to make any big trades with this little cap space.Would be pure awesomeness to dump a slaker from this team on the islanders for examples, to get some space and start making som roster changes. Hopefully that would make them spark once again!
inkman Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Yikes..... huge over reaction guys. A far superior team... A far superior team? The Sabres don't have Malkin, but talent wise they should match up nicely especially with all the rookies Pittsburgh had playing last night. And it should be quite hard to make any big trades with this little cap space. False.
Dannepanne Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 A far superior team? The Sabres don't have Malkin, but talent wise they should match up nicely especially with all the rookies Pittsburgh had playing last night. False. Okay, partly. But hard to make any big beneficial trades.
darksabre Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Care to elaborate? ( :nana: ) I don't understand how everyone insists that the lack of effort is attributed to the players when it happens on such a consistent basis. One or two players not giving effort/prepared to play is on that particular player, but when it is a team wide trend, happens multiple times a month, and the coach makes excuses in the post-game presser, that leads me to believe the driver of the unprepared play is far more coach than players. Haha no I'm good :beer:
hockeyhound Posted December 18, 2011 Report Posted December 18, 2011 Does it seem like the Sabres are backing off too much when defending their own zone? In the last 5 or 6 games, there is a gap a mile wide between the puck carrier and the D. It seems like the D are at the top of the circle while the offensive player is coming over the blue line. I don't know if this is a system thing; are the D is counting on their forwards to back check? Mcnabb seems to have it right sometimes; line them up as they come across the red line, and hammer them at the blue line. It looks like the D are over compensating when trying to deal with speedy forwards coming into their end of the rink.
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