Eleven Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Eleven isn't a "patient fan", he wants to believe that every game is played in a vacuum and has no correlation to the game before and no effect on future games. He is our resident Hershel and the Sabres are his personal barn of walkers. He wants you to believe that losing 2-1 at home to a team dead last in the conference and third last in the league is acceptable. That there is no relation to getting blown out by Columbus who is dead last in the league. That being 4-6 at home despite a very favorable home schedule is OK. He is right about one thing, it is only game 24 of 82. It was also another game, which are too many to count, under Lindy Ruff that this team was not prepared for. All this team needed to do was step up it's physical game and the two points would have been theirs. How can you possibly compare last night's game to what happened in Columbus? How was the team unprepared last night? They looked very good and lost. That is going to happen from time to time, but if they play that same game the same way 20 times, they'll win 16 or 17 of them. Against Columbus, they didn't look very good and lost. If they play THAT game the same way 20 times, they'll lose 16 or 17 of them.
deluca67 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 How can you possibly compare last night's game to what happened in Columbus? How was the team unprepared last night? They looked very good and lost. That is going to happen from time to time, but if they play that same game the same way 20 times, they'll win 16 or 17 of them. Against Columbus, they didn't look very good and lost. If they play THAT game the same way 20 times, they'll lose 16 or 17 of them. If they play that way against most other teams they get blown out. Skating with the Islanders does not make it a good effort. The Sabres were undisciplined in the offensive zone and played soft in the defensive zone. That is what you define as "looked very good?" Enroth and some bounces kept the game close for the Sabres. In case people have forgotten, the opponent was the Islanders. How bad are the Sabres that you need to try and create a moral victory over the Islanders?
Eleven Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 If they play that way against most other teams they get blown out. Skating with the Islanders does not make it a good effort. The Sabres were undisciplined in the offensive zone and played soft in the defensive zone. That is what you define as "looked very good?" Enroth and some bounces kept the game close for the Sabres. In case people have forgotten, the opponent was the Islanders. How bad are the Sabres that you need to try and create a moral victory over the Islanders? Montoya and some bounces kept the game from being a blowout. I'm not creating a moral victory; I'm just not buying your continual "sky is falling" stuff with respect to a good game.
LabattBlue Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Moral victory, played well with many AHL youngsters, just didn't bury our chances, injuries, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... I only have two things to take away after this game... 1 - The Sabres just lost to two of the worst teams in the NHL, and scored a combined 2 goals in these games! 2 - The Sabres continue to play like crap at home, and just keep piling up the losses...5-7-1.
dEnnis the Menace Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 My take on the game and team: 1) Ehrhoff is finally stepping up IMO. He's getting better with the added responsibility and I think he's finding his groove 2) McNabb, Kassian, and Chewie need to stay up with the Sabres. They bring an energy that Ellis, and others just cannot and have not provided. 3) Most of the lines just did not seem to click last night, and the chemistry was off. 4) The refs did not have control of the game. There were multiple times where there was a knee in the check, a few elbows missed, and phantom calls (Kassian's Interference?). 5) Where did our PP and goals for go? 6) Vanek and Pommers are still going strong, and I am certain it doesn't matter what center you put between them (Roy, Hecht, and Adam have all been there). They find ways to get points. 7) Our PK is coming back down to earth. 8) This team is like an over excited teenage boy...just can't finish right. The Sabres missed at least 4 WIDE open nets, hit 3 posts, and shot high and wide and way too many occasions...it was like they forgot how to shoot... :doh: Lastly, I didn't catch Leopold's injury, so can someone fill me in on what happened? I saw on the recap that it was upper-body, but I didn't honestly see the play.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 My take on the game and team: 1) Ehrhoff is finally stepping up IMO. He's getting better with the added responsibility and I think he's finding his groove 2) McNabb, Kassian, and Chewie need to stay up with the Sabres. They bring an energy that Ellis, and others just cannot and have not provided. 3) Most of the lines just did not seem to click last night, and the chemistry was off. 4) The refs did not have control of the game. There were multiple times where there was a knee in the check, a few elbows missed, and phantom calls (Kassian's Interference?). 5) Where did our PP and goals for go? 6) Vanek and Pommers are still going strong, and I am certain it doesn't matter what center you put between them (Roy, Hecht, and Adam have all been there). They find ways to get points. 7) Our PK is coming back down to earth. 8) This team is like an over excited teenage boy...just can't finish right. The Sabres missed at least 4 WIDE open nets, hit 3 posts, and shot high and wide and way too many occasions...it was like they forgot how to shoot... :doh: Lastly, I didn't catch Leopold's injury, so can someone fill me in on what happened? I saw on the recap that it was upper-body, but I didn't honestly see the play. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
spndnchz Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Posted November 30, 2011 Leino can suck my ballsack Easy there big fella. I just found something sort of weird. I'll stick it here because it's sort of relevant right now. “We can talk as much as we want – new leadership, new guys, but I think the guys that have been here, myself included, for a long time need to step up and do more. I’ve said it before. If we don’t make it far, it’s on myself, it’s on us. You can’t just bring in new guys and think they’re going to fix things.” -Vanek Oct 6, 2010 Someone's reading my profile's notes. As for the game? I'm getting tired of going to games. I need it to be fun again.
LabattBlue Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 As for the game? I'm getting tired of going to games. I need it to be fun again. I feel the same way. More often than not, I walk out of the Arena feeling like I just wasted 3 hours of my life.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Easy there big fella. Someone's reading my profile's notes. As for the game? I'm getting tired of going to games. I need it to be fun again. Looks like a cut and paste situation to me.
dEnnis the Menace Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Easy there big fella. Someone's reading my profile's notes. As for the game? I'm getting tired of going to games. I need it to be fun again. I drive 3 hours to go to weekend games...I'm starting to feel as if my drive would be better spent doing other things... <_<
LGR4GM Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 It's been very frustrating to watch them play this year for sure. But I just remember what happened the 2nd half last year and then realize the much improved roster they have now. Give it time. Let's not forget the Sabres lost ALL of their veteran players from last year. Before Hecht came back the oldest on the team was 31. They had Neidermayer, Grier and Patty last year. Granted they weren't impact players on the scoreboard, but I'm sure they were impact players as far as leadership. Gonna take time for the core players to step up and realize it's their team now. That doesn't happen overnight. Ummmm what? So your saying that even though Vanek, Roy, Pommers, Hecht, Miller, and Goose have been on this team for almost a decade they still are not VETERANS or LEADERS!?!?! if thats the case we are in trouble. Whats even more scary is you including Patty freaking Lalime in your assessment of vets on this team. As for the rest of your statement, the core has had 4.5 years since drury and briere left to "step up" if they haven't done it by now they aren't going to do it. I just think the excuse of "we don't have any vets" is complete bs. News Flash! Vanek, Pominville, Roy, Miller, Goose, and Hecht are veteran players with years of NHL experience and playoff experience. Saying we don't have a veteran leader at this point is a invalid excuse that is no longer acceptable. Briere and Drury were 29-31 during the years they were our "veteran leaders" so for the guys I have mentioned they can either put up or shut up at this point, because they are vets NOW.
bunomatic Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 One thing I took away from the game was in one of the articles I read this morning. Grags said we're obviously the better team. I'm really not so sure. At least the outcome shows that the fishermen were the better team. There has to be a wholesale shift in these players attitudes going into games. Its a new N.H.L. in where any team can beat any team on any given night if they outwork the other team. This is as close as this league has been to having parity. Someone tell our guys if you put in the effort for 60 minutes there's a good chance you will win.
dEnnis the Menace Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 One thing I took away from the game was in one of the articles I read this morning. Grags said we're obviously the better team. I'm really not so sure. At least the outcome shows that the fishermen were the better team. There has to be a wholesale shift in these players attitudes going into games. Its a new N.H.L. in where any team can beat any team on any given night if they outwork the other team. This is as close as this league has been to having parity. Someone tell our guys veterans not names Pominville or Vanek if you put in the effort for 60 minutes there's a good chance you will win. Fixed :thumbsup: In all honesty, the rookies/really young guys bring it every night. Just look at the all out effort of Gerbe, Kass, Chewie, McNabb, etc. night in and night out so far. They are playing for their NHL lives and it shows. Vanek and Pommers show up every night (evidenced by the fact that they have a ppg average right now). It's most of the rest of the team that isn't all there for a full game. The heart has been lacking lately. I can see this team going plaecs once they all mesh, or one or two changes are made, but right now, it just doesn't seem like they put in the effort every night :(
frissonic Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 I drive 3 hours to go to weekend games...I'm starting to feel as if my drive would be better spent doing other things... <_< is that one way? or round trip? either way, by the time you take into account game time and travel, you're looking at anywhere between 6-9 hours. i hate to say it, but yah--you could accomplish a lot in that time frame other than watching this iteration of the team. i got so frustrated after that 2nd islanders goal that i flipped it over to netflix so my girls could watch 'inspector gadget.' then i went and figured out a marissa nadler song on our keyboard. that chick knows her sh**.
Samson's Flow Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Fixed :thumbsup: In all honesty, the rookies/really young guys bring it every night. Just look at the all out effort of Gerbe, Kass, Chewie, McNabb, etc. night in and night out so far. They are playing for their NHL lives and it shows. Vanek and Pommers show up every night (evidenced by the fact that they have a ppg average right now). It's most of the rest of the team that isn't all there for a full game. The heart has been lacking lately. I can see this team going plaecs once they all mesh, or one or two changes are made, but right now, it just doesn't seem like they put in the effort every night :( No amount of coaching or line changes are going to fix this. Hell you can bring in Herb Brooks straight out of the '80 olympics and this team won't play for 60 minutes. I always thought I was of the Eleven "patience/things will get better" mantra, but right now I wouldn't mind a shake up in personnel. Take any of the core not named TV and send them to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan. All I am asking for is a team I can get behind, one that finishes their checks and battles every night. More Ted Nolan "hardest working team" and less ice capades/nhl all star game. More Kassian/McNabb less Roy/MAG
dEnnis the Menace Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 is that one way? or round trip? either way, by the time you take into account game time and travel, you're looking at anywhere between 6-9 hours. i hate to say it, but yah--you could accomplish a lot in that time frame other than watching this iteration of the team. i got so frustrated after that 2nd islanders goal that i flipped it over to netflix so my girls could watch 'inspector gadget.' then i went and figured out a marissa nadler song on our keyboard. that chick knows her sh**. 1 way. It's closer to 2.5 hours if i drive my usual pace, and without traffic, but still. I go out there for the entire weekend, but my main reason is the game. Sabres are 2-3-0 so far this year at games I've been to (16-8-3 overall at games I've been to since the lockout, not counting the 2-0 in the playoffs). It's still better than the Bills record at games I've been to. They've only ever won 4 games that I've been to...perspective :thumbsup:
frissonic Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 1 way. It's closer to 2.5 hours if i drive my usual pace, and without traffic, but still. I go out there for the entire weekend, but my main reason is the game. Sabres are 2-3-0 so far this year at games I've been to (16-8-3 overall at games I've been to since the lockout, not counting the 2-0 in the playoffs). It's still better than the Bills record at games I've been to. They've only ever won 4 games that I've been to...perspective :thumbsup: the only bills game i've been to was a monday night game against cincinatti in 1991. they ended up winning that game. the week before, i also saw van halen at the aud, and rush at copps colosseum. that was probably the best week of my life.
dEnnis the Menace Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 the only bills game i've been to was a monday night game against cincinatti in 1991. they ended up winning that game. the week before, i also saw van halen at the aud, and rush at copps colosseum. that was probably the best week of my life. Sounds like it would've been!
frissonic Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Sounds like it would've been! i take that back. i saw van halen the night before the bills game, and rush the friday after. gah ... old age is wreaking havoc on me. :)
JJFIVEOH Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Ummmm what? So your saying that even though Vanek, Roy, Pommers, Hecht, Miller, and Goose have been on this team for almost a decade they still are not VETERANS or LEADERS!?!?! if thats the case we are in trouble. Whats even more scary is you including Patty freaking Lalime in your assessment of vets on this team. As for the rest of your statement, the core has had 4.5 years since drury and briere left to "step up" if they haven't done it by now they aren't going to do it. I just think the excuse of "we don't have any vets" is complete bs. News Flash! Vanek, Pominville, Roy, Miller, Goose, and Hecht are veteran players with years of NHL experience and playoff experience. Saying we don't have a veteran leader at this point is a invalid excuse that is no longer acceptable. Briere and Drury were 29-31 during the years they were our "veteran leaders" so for the guys I have mentioned they can either put up or shut up at this point, because they are vets NOW. It has nothing to do with how long they've been on the team. The core you speak of has always had older veterans to lead the team whether they had a C/A or not. Almost every team in the league has their resident old guys except for the Sabres. Now they don't. Of course they are vets NOW, that was my point that you obviously seemed to overlook. Is there a reason you follow me around and trash everything I say?
Samson's Flow Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Is there a reason you follow me around and trash everything I say? He's a mythical half-lion, half-tiger creature. Of course he's going to stalk helpless posters... ;)
Dave Dryden Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 You sound like Dave Dryden. Love you too honey. :thumbsup:
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 Montoya and some bounces kept the game from being a blowout. I'm not creating a moral victory; I'm just not buying your continual "sky is falling" stuff with respect to a good game. Speaking of bounces...I think Enroth's nickname should be "Ping", because that's the sound I hear seemingly every game as a shot or 3 hits the post untouched at 90MPH.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted November 30, 2011 Report Posted November 30, 2011 As for the game? I'm getting tired of going to games. I need it to be fun again. For the Detroit game, meet me in the Perry St. stairwell on the 200 level with 8 minutes to play in the 1st period. I'll bring the Padron and a can of nacho cheese from the RedHot stand. You bring the signed letter of consent.
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