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It's "toe," and no, and I definitely have heard players talk about the wrong coach, the wrong system, the wrong org, and all of it. Never about Ruff. You're miserable and pissed, I get that from your last 50 or so posts. Ruff isn't the problem. The problem was Quinn, and it takes more than 8 months to solve it.

 

We're spending the most cash of any team in the league this year.

 

If Quinn was the problem, why do we have the GM Quinn hired, the coach Quinn hired, and 5 captains that were all drafted under him?

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"The Buffalo Sabres' reason for existence will be to win a Stanley Cup."

Why are you upset with Terry Pegula? He's done everything right. Bought the team, renovated the arena, bought the farm team ~1 hour away, spent money on free agents, spent money to lock up our own players, EVERYTHING. The city of Buffalo has never had an owner of a sports team that did so much to try to win a championship.

 

This is everyone's fault *except* Terry Pegula's. The players should be ashamed. So should Ruff and Regier.

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Why are you upset with Terry Pegula? He's done everything right. Bought the team, renovated the arena, bought the farm team ~1 hour away, spent money on free agents, spent money to lock up our own players, EVERYTHING. The city of Buffalo has never had an owner of a sports team that did so much to try to win a championship.

 

This is everyone's fault *except* Terry Pegula's. The players should be ashamed. So should Ruff and Regier.

 

 

What makes you think I'm upset with TPegs? The only thing I could possibly criticize him for is that he has not dropped the hammer yet. A big hockey/Sabres fan such as he should surely be seeing the same things that we're seeing...right?

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Sizzle.....I'm on your side tonight. If this was a Jerry Springer episode, I'd be on my feet, airfisting, and yelling some gansta stuff at the stage.

 

 

Thanks. It's all banter on the interwebs in the end, though. In most cases I enjoy your posts, even when I totally and utterly disagree with you, excepting the posts where you imply I'm stupid.

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While I agree that winning a cup will take more than 1 offseason, we should all be clear that when the vault was opened up for DR last summer, he doubled down on his core group. Leino was the only forward brought in, and he was a complementary piece. None of the "core" got traded. Stafford got a fat extension on the back of one good contract year after several mediocre years. Roy was welcomed back to his top 6 spot. Pommer was made captain and the As all went to other "core" members. So instead of remaking the the team, DR chose to invest more time and at least one more season in the same group of losers that has accomplished exactly zero since they inherited the team from the prior leadership group.

 

It's certainly possible that this group will justify DR's faith in them. I'm not confident that it will happen but I'll be watching and hoping. And if it doesn't happen? Then at least 2 of Roy, Pommer, vanek and stafford need to be shipped out this summer (and they need to make GD sure that they win the Shea weber auction if it occurs). It probably should've happened last summer. DR chose not to do so, and when the results are in this spring he has to be accountable.

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It's certainly possible that this group will justify DR's faith in them. I'm not confident that it will happen but I'll be watching and hoping. And if it doesn't happen? Then at least 2 of Roy, Pommer, vanek and stafford need to be shipped out this summer (and they need to make GD sure that they win the Shea weber auction if it occurs). It probably should've happened last summer. DR chose not to do so, and when the results are in this spring he has to be accountable.

 

F*ck me, man. No way. Not ANOTHER "next season" post? No offense, please, but, can you bear it? I can't. This is total lunacy. Season after season of "next year" makes me want to drive spikes into my urinary meatus. How could proper, testosterone-imbibed athletes stand to keep putting off victory until "next season"? :wallbash:

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Thanks. It's all banter on the interwebs in the end, though. In most cases I enjoy your posts, even when I totally and utterly disagree with you, excepting the posts where you imply I'm stupid.

 

I won't imply you're stupid. I will say your point is crappy, but I don't want to say anyone is stupid. The only time I get cranky is when people fail to question things and then attack me when I do question them. I've unfairly lumped everyone in sometimes, but I get the most PO'd when people defend with blind loyalty...sort of like you are railing tonight.

 

Eleven is a bright guy. I don't get when he defends to the end, certain actors. If he's shared a scotch with Lindy a few times, I understand wanting to defend a friend, but at least give us a head's up that's where he's coming from.

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didn't that start with ted nolan?!?!? let's bring him back...!!!

 

That's correct. And Sabres fans might also recall that Lindy took the team to the Cup Finals shortly after Nolan walked. That team still had Ted's gritty stamp on it, plus a goaltender named Hasek. I would argue we haven't seen that kind of grit and determination since Ted left Buffalo. We didn't have the best talent back then, but the team fought like dogs every night. And they were fun to watch, too!

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While I agree that winning a cup will take more than 1 offseason, we should all be clear that when the vault was opened up for DR last summer, he doubled down on his core group. Leino was the only forward brought in, and he was a complementary piece. None of the "core" got traded. Stafford got a fat extension on the back of one good contract year after several mediocre years. Roy was welcomed back to his top 6 spot. Pommer was made captain and the As all went to other "core" members. So instead of remaking the the team, DR chose to invest more time and at least one more season in the same group of losers that has accomplished exactly zero since they inherited the team from the prior leadership group.

 

It's certainly possible that this group will justify DR's faith in them. I'm not confident that it will happen but I'll be watching and hoping. And if it doesn't happen? Then at least 2 of Roy, Pommer, vanek and stafford need to be shipped out this summer (and they need to make GD sure that they win the Shea weber auction if it occurs). It probably should've happened last summer. DR chose not to do so, and when the results are in this spring he has to be accountable.

I couldn't find the words until I read this post. Spot on in your assessment and I couldn't agree more. Maybe Regier will prove me wrong but I'll tell you this. I am getting sick of watching him try.

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While I agree that winning a cup will take more than 1 offseason, we should all be clear that when the vault was opened up for DR last summer, he doubled down on his core group. Leino was the only forward brought in, and he was a complementary piece. None of the "core" got traded. Stafford got a fat extension on the back of one good contract year after several mediocre years. Roy was welcomed back to his top 6 spot. Pommer was made captain and the As all went to other "core" members. So instead of remaking the the team, DR chose to invest more time and at least one more season in the same group of losers that has accomplished exactly zero since they inherited the team from the prior leadership group.

 

It's certainly possible that this group will justify DR's faith in them. I'm not confident that it will happen but I'll be watching and hoping. And if it doesn't happen? Then at least 2 of Roy, Pommer, vanek and stafford need to be shipped out this summer (and they need to make GD sure that they win the Shea weber auction if it occurs). It probably should've happened last summer. DR chose not to do so, and when the results are in this spring he has to be accountable.

Good post.

 

F*ck me, man. No way. Not ANOTHER "next season" post? No offense, please, but, can you bear it? I can't. This is total lunacy. Season after season of "next year" makes me want to drive spikes into my urinary meatus. How could proper, testosterone-imbibed athletes stand to keep putting off victory until "next season"? :wallbash:

As a fellow frustrated Sabres fan, I share your angst. The idea of looking to next year is frustrating. However everything nfreeman posted is correct, IMO. It is unreasonable to think that T-Pegs can completely correct all the flaws of this team in one offseason. It sucks, but it's true.

 

My question is - behind closed doors, what was Terry's directive to the management team? Was it simply "make the playoffs and make a deep run", or are they looking at the season with two goals in mind - make the playoffs, AND make final determination on "the core" - who to keep, who to cut loose? I don't know. Personally if I were the new owner AND coming in as a big fan, I'd have opinions but would try to put my hockey people in a position to make informed decisions on individual players' futures with the team - but with a deadline on which to make those decisions. It wouldn't be 22 games into my new regime, though. Trade deadline, maybe.

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Good post.

 

 

As a fellow frustrated Sabres fan, I share your angst. The idea of looking to next year is frustrating. However everything nfreeman posted is correct, IMO. It is unreasonable to think that T-Pegs can completely correct all the flaws of this team in one offseason. It sucks, but it's true.

 

My question is - behind closed doors, what was Terry's directive to the management team? Was it simply "make the playoffs and make a deep run", or are they looking at the season with two goals in mind - make the playoffs, AND make final determination on "the core" - who to keep, who to cut loose? I don't know. Personally if I were the new owner AND coming in as a big fan, I'd have opinions but would try to put my hockey people in a position to make informed decisions on individual players' futures with the team - but with a deadline on which to make those decisions. It wouldn't be 22 games into my new regime, though. Trade deadline, maybe.

 

Yes, yes, yours and nfreeman's are wonderfully rational and level-headed posts. I don't argue with either, except to say that this isn't really the 22nd game in Pegula-ville. TPegs and Black spent the latter half of last season as THE insiders. The "core" and all that it is, the stuff that we don't know, was revealed to them.

 

They also have a good idea, by now, of how DR operates, and what he can do. Black, says the Snooze, "...also was part of the team that hired General Manager Ray Shero, who took over for Craig Patrick in 2006 and put the final pieces in place for the Penguins' title run." Black worked with Lemieux as that team was rebuilt.

 

Black is going to have to show his worth, too...is he buying into DR's "patience" line? What would Mario do with these Sabres?

 

They done fired their coach in the middle of the season and went on to win the cup. With a rookie coach, none-the-less. Black wasn't part of that crew, if I have my timeline right, but worked with them right up until that season. Did HE learn anything?

 

All it took was a coach, after they had assembled the talent. Obviously, the Sabres talent isn't quite the same as the Pens then, but could they get there in a few moves?

 

The wheels spin, and the mind reels.

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Why are you upset with Terry Pegula? He's done everything right. Bought the team, renovated the arena, bought the farm team ~1 hour away, spent money on free agents, spent money to lock up our own players, EVERYTHING. The city of Buffalo has never had an owner of a sports team that did so much to try to win a championship.

 

This is everyone's fault *except* Terry Pegula's. The players should be ashamed. So should Ruff and Regier.

Pegula kept Ruff and Regier which outweighs any other decisions he has made. The easy part is writing checks and going over paint samples and swatches.

 

Pegula brought in Ted Black which has been widely accepted as a great move. I have to wonder if it is. If Black was such a great hire why didn't Black recognize what a bad idea it was bringing Regier and Ruff back?

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While I agree that winning a cup will take more than 1 offseason, we should all be clear that when the vault was opened up for DR last summer, he doubled down on his core group. Leino was the only forward brought in, and he was a complementary piece. None of the "core" got traded. Stafford got a fat extension on the back of one good contract year after several mediocre years. Roy was welcomed back to his top 6 spot. Pommer was made captain and the As all went to other "core" members. So instead of remaking the the team, DR chose to invest more time and at least one more season in the same group of losers that has accomplished exactly zero since they inherited the team from the prior leadership group.

 

It's certainly possible that this group will justify DR's faith in them. I'm not confident that it will happen but I'll be watching and hoping. And if it doesn't happen? Then at least 2 of Roy, Pommer, vanek and stafford need to be shipped out this summer (and they need to make GD sure that they win the Shea weber auction if it occurs). It probably should've happened last summer. DR chose not to do so, and when the results are in this spring he has to be accountable.

This is never going to happen under Regier and everyone knows it. I would wager Regier regrets everyday not being allowed to resign Tim Connolly. Regier will continue to hold on to his "core" even if it is to the detriment of the franchise.

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Pegula kept Ruff and Regier which outweighs any other decisions he has made. The easy part is writing checks and going over paint samples and swatches.

 

Pegula brought in Ted Black which has been widely accepted as a great move. I have to wonder if it is. If Black was such a great hire why didn't Black recognize what a bad idea it was bringing Regier and Ruff back?

 

Can't disagree with any of that.

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Observations;

 

Leino is my new Timmy.

Kassian-Tropp-Adam as a third or fourth line. As having holes in their game, it's a high energy line that can bang and are hungry to be here.

Leopold is the best defenseman, you saw it here first.

Just keep vanek, roy, poms as first line and stop dicking around.

In the third period, gare mentioned that 8 forwards have not recorded a shot.....ugh.....8!

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Yes, yes, yours and nfreeman's are wonderfully rational and level-headed posts. I don't argue with either, except to say that this isn't really the 22nd game in Pegula-ville. TPegs and Black spent the latter half of last season as THE insiders. The "core" and all that it is, the stuff that we don't know, was revealed to them.

 

They also have a good idea, by now, of how DR operates, and what he can do. Black, says the Snooze, "...also was part of the team that hired General Manager Ray Shero, who took over for Craig Patrick in 2006 and put the final pieces in place for the Penguins' title run." Black worked with Lemieux as that team was rebuilt.

 

Black is going to have to show his worth, too...is he buying into DR's "patience" line? What would Mario do with these Sabres?

 

They done fired their coach in the middle of the season and went on to win the cup. With a rookie coach, none-the-less. Black wasn't part of that crew, if I have my timeline right, but worked with them right up until that season. Did HE learn anything?

 

All it took was a coach, after they had assembled the talent. Obviously, the Sabres talent isn't quite the same as the Pens then, but could they get there in a few moves?

 

The wheels spin, and the mind reels.

I don't disagree. I don't want to be level-headed and rational right now. I want to throw a chair. But I am trying to cling to some hope that TP could be using this year as a referendum on the core and on LR and DR.

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Can't any one of the higher ups see what philly did? I mean seriously, they have blown that team up more than Connolly's upper AND lower body injuries combined and every time, the new, gritty pieces fall right into place.....

 

Here in Buffalo, they are terrified to go beyond a low round draft choices and butler....TAKE A CHANCE because nobody is responding to this team since Briere and Drury left.

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