Big question is...

[Sabre fan]

Thus far into the season, it seems that at times the Sabres do not appear to be as good as I thought them to be, with their new additions. Obviously Leino has really struggled, while Erhoff and Regier are pretty much doing what one might expect. Overall though, the team seems to be struggling at times to even play inspired hockey. Is it a question of the Sabres being over-rated, or is the rest of the league just playing good at this point? Teams totally unexpected to be even "good" are excelling, such as Florida and New Jersey. As we are seeing, it is not easy to win on a regular basis right now, as just about every team seems capable of winning on any given night. The Leafs, led by Kessel, are certainly playing well as are many other teams. Is it too early to worry? Or do the Sabres need something BIG such as trading for Jeff Carter, who apparently has asked to be traded from Columbus? We've all used the excuse "it'll take time for the new players to mesh" but other teams added players, and are seeing immediate results. Still think a full-bonafide, top-line center such as Carter would help a ton. Any thoughts?

[HopefulFuture]

Ehrhoff has not lived up to expectations in my opinion.

Regher has.

 

Yes, absolutely the Sabres need to make a move or 2.

Jeff Carter, maybe.

[dEnnis the Menace]

Thus far into the season, it seems that at times the Sabres do not appear to be as good as I thought them to be, with their new additions. Obviously Leino has really struggled, while Erhoff and Regier are pretty much doing what one might expect. Overall though, the team seems to be struggling at times to even play inspired hockey. Is it a question of the Sabres being over-rated, or is the rest of the league just playing good at this point? Teams totally unexpected to be even "good" are excelling, such as Florida and New Jersey. As we are seeing, it is not easy to win on a regular basis right now, as just about every team seems capable of winning on any given night. The Leafs, led by Kessel, are certainly playing well as are many other teams. Is it too early to worry? Or do the Sabres need something BIG such as trading for Jeff Carter, who apparently has asked to be traded from Columbus? We've all used the excuse "it'll take time for the new players to mesh" but other teams added players, and are seeing immediate results. Still think a full-bonafide, top-line center such as Carter would help a ton. Any thoughts?

 

1) Ehrhoff

2) Regehr

3) It's still too early to be extremely worried. just look at last season and where we were at this point, and where we ended up. Give it a few more weeks for teams to play more games and it will start to balance out more. it always does

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Thus far into the season, it seems that at times the Sabres do not appear to be as good as I thought them to be, with their new additions. Obviously Leino has really struggled, while Erhoff and Regier are pretty much doing what one might expect. Overall though, the team seems to be struggling at times to even play inspired hockey. Is it a question of the Sabres being over-rated, or is the rest of the league just playing good at this point? Teams totally unexpected to be even "good" are excelling, such as Florida and New Jersey. As we are seeing, it is not easy to win on a regular basis right now, as just about every team seems capable of winning on any given night. The Leafs, led by Kessel, are certainly playing well as are many other teams. Is it too early to worry? Or do the Sabres need something BIG such as trading for Jeff Carter, who apparently has asked to be traded from Columbus? We've all used the excuse "it'll take time for the new players to mesh" but other teams added players, and are seeing immediate results. Still think a full-bonafide, top-line center such as Carter would help a ton. Any thoughts?

 

Firstly ...

 

Run on paragraph ... don't fear the enter key.

 

Secondly ...

 

Not worthy of a reply (see underlined and bolded part) ... :oops:

[Eleven]

Whom do you want to trade for Carter?

[inkman]

Whom do you want to trade for Carter?

Stafford, Pysyk, & a 2nd. (E3)

[Eleven]

Stafford, Pysyk, & a 2nd. (E3)

 

You know I'd be all over that.

[HopefulFuture]

You know I'd be all over that.

Even if it was Calgary's 2nd and not our own? :o

[shrader]

Firstly ...

 

Run on paragraph ... don't fear the enter key.

 

Secondly ...

 

Not worthy of a reply (see underlined and bolded part) ... :oops:

 

Here's a crazy thought, if you don't think something is worthy of a reply, DON'T REPLY! Is that really so hard? This board is so littered with pointless crap as of late (and yes, add my post to that list as well).

[thesportsbuff]

Whom do you want to trade for Carter?

 

Stafford, Leino, Hecht and a first and two thirds for Carter and Nash (TSB 5)!!!

[Eleven]

Even if it was Calgary's 2nd and not our own? :o

 

Sure, why not?

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Here's a crazy thought, if you don't think something is worthy of a reply, DON'T REPLY! Is that really so hard? This board is so littered with pointless crap as of late (and yes, add my post to that list as well).

 

Point taken ... more useless crap.

[inkman]

You know I'd be all over that.

It ain't happening but I think the assets line up. Maybe throw in morrisson or leopold to make the $$$ work.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Whom do you want to trade for Carter?

 

I'm not sure, but back when Carter seemed to be, or we hoped he was, available a number of posters advocated for getting him because ... numerous reasons.

 

When he went to Columbus and, therefore was no longer, or seemed to be no longer, available a number of posters thought good we can't get him because ... numerous reasons.

 

My question is and it is a serious one ...

 

If he is available would we (the Sabres) want him, or not, because of all those numerous reasons.

[Eleven]

It ain't happening but I think the assets line up. Maybe throw in morrisson or leopold to make the $$$ work.

 

Can't do Leo right now. Hell, they may need Morrisonn up here soon. I think the assets line up nicely without 'em, as you said. Git 'er done!

[thesportsbuff]

Oh, you guys were serious? I don't know. I doubt Stafford, a pick and a prospect is enough to bring in a ~35 goal scorer. For what it's worth, "incarcerated bob" (kind of like an NFL eklund, but has been right on a few Bills rumors) has said Columbus is selling and Buffalo has called about some people.

[wonderbread]

Oh, you guys were serious? I don't know. I doubt Stafford, a pick and a prospect is enough to bring in a ~35 goal scorer. For what it's worth, "incarcerated bob" (kind of like an NFL eklund, but has been right on a few Bills rumors) has said Columbus is selling and Buffalo has called about some people.

Miller for Carter and mason.

[inkman]

Oh, you guys were serious? I don't know. I doubt Stafford, a pick and a prospect is enough to bring in a ~35 goal scorer.

What do you think would bring him?

[pegs4mayor]

I don't think they're gonna give him cheep. I'd say a 2nd round pick ennis (or Stafford) moorrissoooonnn and another prospect

[LGR4GM]

Thus far into the season, it seems that at times the Sabres do not appear to be as good as I thought them to be, with their new additions. Obviously Leino has really struggled, while Erhoff and Regier are pretty much doing what one might expect. Overall though, the team seems to be struggling at times to even play inspired hockey. Is it a question of the Sabres being over-rated, or is the rest of the league just playing good at this point? Teams totally unexpected to be even "good" are excelling, such as Florida and New Jersey. As we are seeing, it is not easy to win on a regular basis right now, as just about every team seems capable of winning on any given night. The Leafs, led by Kessel, are certainly playing well as are many other teams. Is it too early to worry? Or do the Sabres need something BIG such as trading for Jeff Carter, who apparently has asked to be traded from Columbus? We've all used the excuse "it'll take time for the new players to mesh" but other teams added players, and are seeing immediate results. Still think a full-bonafide, top-line center such as Carter would help a ton. Any thoughts?

As I refrain from bashing my head against the wall and asking myself WTH is going on, I feel the need to take this question not seriously but with a grain of skepticism. Jeff Carter is not the center (droid...) your looking for. This team has a player like him in Derek Roy. Sure Carter is physically bigger but he is not a more physical player.

 

If we need to trade for a Center at this point in time it makes sense to kill 2 birds with one trade. So what does this team lack? Grit, Defense, Leadership. I will be murdered, ridiculed and insulted for this but IF this team is trading for a center the correct player would be Jordan Staal.

 

Jordan Staal is defensively sound. He is large and physical in his own end and in front of the net. He plays on a team that currently has center depth but is not overall skilled at winger and is solid at defense but not overly deep. Now as to his leadership I can not speak but I know that his team did not just ship him away like carter and that he is not whining like a little kid asking for a trade. He sucked it up when he got injured and played well while Malkin and Crosby were gone. He has a cup ring, has been to the playoffs every year for 5 years. Thats the type of guy you want. Carter is a playboy if you ask me, and so no, even if he is being shipped out of Columbus I want him far away from my locker room.

 

As for Staal, Stafford, MAG/Sekera and a 2nd (maybe a 1st) round pick would probably be what it took IF pitts was willing... also the money works out nice. Staal = 4mil, Staff = 4mil. This is type of player you want not some guy who seems to have an issue fitting in or working hard.

 

DISCLAIMER: Again this is JUST MY OPINION I AM NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN OR HAS BEEN RUMORED.

[thesportsbuff]

 

As for Staal, Stafford, MAG/Sekera and a 2nd (maybe a 1st) round pick would probably be what it took IF pitts was willing... also the money works out nice. Staal = 4mil, Staff = 4mil. This is type of player you want not some guy who seems to have an issue fitting in or working hard.

 

DISCLAIMER: Again this is JUST MY OPINION I AM NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN OR HAS BEEN RUMORED.

 

But that is the difference. Your ideal deal hasn't been rumored, and chances are the Penguins aren't looking to make any trades. Deals don't just happen because they make sense, you still have to have two willing partners. The Penguins just made their mid-season acquisition by getting Crosby back. They are stacked. Replacing Staal with Stafford and MAG does NOT make them a better team. I say this without looking at capgeek, but the only way they move Staal is if they are forced to because of the salary cap or something next season.

 

CBJ is almost certainly open to trades, and the rumor this weekend was Carter asked to be dealt. Of course, everyone in the organization shot that down, so we'll never for sure whether or not it was true unless he actually is dealt.

 

But anyway, it's hard for me to piece together an offer for Carter. I think value wise, they would prefer an Ennis or Kassian as the main piece, but for the money to work, they would almost certainly have to take a Stafford, Leino, or Roy + a little more. I don't know if there's an offer there I would feel comfortable with.

 

I guess it depends on the route CBJ wants to take -- they could easily trade both Carter AND Nash, and get enough Staffords and Leino to make themselves competitive-- kind of like what Florida did through free agency. Rather than having one or two superstars and then mostly low-value players, they loaded up on a bunch of pretty decent guys and right now they are looking like a potential playoff team.

 

I'm not saying it's realistic that Buffalo trades for both Carter AND Nash, I just don't think there's a deal I personally would feel comfortable with for just Carter alone.

[LGR4GM]

I don't think they're gonna give him cheep. I'd say a 2nd round pick ennis (or Stafford) moorrissoooonnn and another prospect

So we are now trading a 1st round pick (stafford or Ennis) a 2nd round pick and a defenseman and another prospect? Are you kidding me? FOR CARTER?

 

first round pick, as well as winger Jakub Voracek and another pick to the Philadelphia Flyers for All-Star center Jeff Carter.

 

SO WTH are we trading twice as much as the original trade that sent him out of PHILLLY!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: NO WE SHOULD NOT TRADE FOR GUY WHO WILL HAVE BEEN MOVED TWICE IN 6MONTHS! Something is WRONG.

[LGR4GM]

But that is the difference. Your ideal deal hasn't been rumored, and chances are the Penguins aren't looking to make any trades. Deals don't just happen because they make sense, you still have to have two willing partners. The Penguins just made their mid-season acquisition by getting Crosby back. They are stacked. Replacing Staal with Stafford and MAG does NOT make them a better team. I say this without looking at capgeek, but the only way they move Staal is if they are forced to because of the salary cap or something next season.

 

CBJ is almost certainly open to trades, and the rumor this weekend was Carter asked to be dealt. Of course, everyone in the organization shot that down, so we'll never for sure whether or not it was true unless he actually is dealt.

 

But anyway, it's hard for me to piece together an offer for Carter. I think value wise, they would prefer an Ennis or Kassian as the main piece, but for the money to work, they would almost certainly have to take a Stafford, Leino, or Roy + a little more. I don't know if there's an offer there I would feel comfortable with.

 

I guess it depends on the route CBJ wants to take -- they could easily trade both Carter AND Nash, and get enough Staffords and Leino to make themselves competitive-- kind of like what Florida did through free agency. Rather than having one or two superstars and then mostly low-value players, they loaded up on a bunch of pretty decent guys and right now they are looking like a potential playoff team.

 

I'm not saying it's realistic that Buffalo trades for both Carter AND Nash, I just don't think there's a deal I personally would feel comfortable with for just Carter alone.

WHAT? ROY we are now TRADING ROY PLUS FOR CARTER. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!!!! LETS JUST TRADE MILLER AND VANEK TOOO and KASSIAN AND 2 first ROUNDERS and HARRY FREAKING POTTER :censored:

 

Roy's Career Stats: 489gp 150g 247a 397pts 43+/-

Carters CAREER: 471gp 184g 165a 349pts 51+/-

 

FAIL

 

EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD NEEDS TO KNOCK OFF THE ROY HATE. ITS OLD AND ITS UNFOUNDED. GUY HAS 10POINTS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS SO SHUT UP ABOUT HIM :censored:

[Weave]

WHAT? ROY we are now TRADING ROY PLUS FOR CARTER. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE! LETS JUST TRADE MILLER AND VANEK TOOO and KASSIAN AND 2 first ROUNDERS and HARRY FREAKING POTTER :censored:

 

Roy's Career Stats: 489gp 150g 247a 397pts 43+/-

Carters CAREER: 471gp 184g 165a 349pts 51+/-

 

FAIL

 

 

Drink. Less. Coffee.

[HopefulFuture]

As I refrain from bashing my head against the wall and asking myself WTH is going on, I feel the need to take this question not seriously but with a grain of skepticism. Jeff Carter is not the center (droid...) your looking for. This team has a player like him in Derek Roy. Sure Carter is physically bigger but he is not a more physical player.

 

If we need to trade for a Center at this point in time it makes sense to kill 2 birds with one trade. So what does this team lack? Grit, Defense, Leadership. I will be murdered, ridiculed and insulted for this but IF this team is trading for a center the correct player would be Jordan Staal.

 

Jordan Staal is defensively sound. He is large and physical in his own end and in front of the net. He plays on a team that currently has center depth but is not overall skilled at winger and is solid at defense but not overly deep. Now as to his leadership I can not speak but I know that his team did not just ship him away like carter and that he is not whining like a little kid asking for a trade. He sucked it up when he got injured and played well while Malkin and Crosby were gone. He has a cup ring, has been to the playoffs every year for 5 years. Thats the type of guy you want. Carter is a playboy if you ask me, and so no, even if he is being shipped out of Columbus I want him far away from my locker room.

 

As for Staal, Stafford, MAG/Sekera and a 2nd (maybe a 1st) round pick would probably be what it took IF pitts was willing... also the money works out nice. Staal = 4mil, Staff = 4mil. This is type of player you want not some guy who seems to have an issue fitting in or working hard.

 

DISCLAIMER: Again this is JUST MY OPINION I AM NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN OR HAS BEEN RUMORED.

I won't murder, ridicule or insult you, as a matter of fact I completely agree that Jordan Staal would be a very good fit here in Buffalo.

I will say you don't give Carter a whole lot of credit for his own success by comparing him to Roy. That is just hogwash in my opinion, they are nothing alike.

Staal was on the cup winning team and has shown great leadership in Crosby's absence.

 

I wouldn't trade for Jordan Staal however, at the expense of making a conference opponent inherently better and more equipped to up-end the very Cup run we would attempt to make. In short, Pittsburg would be in a much better position to eliminate us in the playoffs as the assets are just to much to give up. Wait until he hits FA.

 

Carter however, is in another conference and wouldn't potentially impede our run for the Cup because even with the assets given up, Columbus would still be putting pieces together.

 

So, in the final analysis, Carter makes much more sense than Staal, for the reasons cited.

 

My opinion:

Carter vs Staal

Winner, Carter.