Roy

[RazielSabre]

I was actually thinkng about how they could try to get Staal from the canes yesterday. I'd bank on him coming around again and perhaps a change of scenery could assist him. My scenario never included Roy though. If you did include Roy and Staal didn't return to form, season over. Would be an awfully gutsy move. Wonder if Darcy is secure enough (or maybe insecure enough?) to make such an attempt. I'd love to see that guy in a Sabre sweater.

 

I think we could get Staal, for a price (Stafford? Roy?) but we'd certainly could get him. If we're buyers though think we have a shot at Iginla since we're on about Marquee players.

[RazielSabre]

Ok, the more I look at this team the more I agree with everyone who says

 

We need another natural.Effing.Center. Boyes and Leino are NOT solutions, meaning we're stacked at wing. What's happened to adam? I've not caught the last few games, which line has he been stuck on now?

[deluca67]

Moving Staal would be career suicide for Jim Rutherford.

 

Even though Staal is having a poor start, he's their best skater, most popular player, and fills the building (well at least half of it). No way he's moved unless it brings back a marquee player bigger than him. That's a short list.

I couldn't disagree more. Rutherford has had an impressive run in Carolina and will always be considered one the top GM's in the sport even if he trades Staal.

 

A trade for Staal would garner a huge return. Since the Sabres don't have a marquee player to send to Carolina they can put together a pretty impressive package. I would offer Roy, Sekera, one of the top prospects (Adam, Kassian or Foligno) and a #1 pick. I think that Rutherford could sell that trade to his fan base.

[nfreeman]

I couldn't disagree more. Rutherford has had an impressive run in Carolina and will always be considered one the top GM's in the sport even if he trades Staal.

 

A trade for Staal would garner a huge return. Since the Sabres don't have a marquee player to send to Carolina they can put together a pretty impressive package. I would offer Roy, Sekera, one of the top prospects (Adam, Kassian or Foligno) and a #1 pick. I think that Rutherford could sell that trade to his fan base.

I expect better from you. There is zero chance that Carolina trades Staal, and even less that buffalo gets him without giving up vanek or Myers.

[ROCBuffalo]

If Roy is that good (which I think he is our best center) and Vanek and pommer are that good, wouldn't it make sense to put roy on the second line and let Adam stay to even out our lines to make a more balanced attack. I thought Adam was playing well on the first line. I also like the line of stafford, ville, and roy (this is where im not sure where ennis fits in cause the third line I like as well).

 

I understand when the time calls you put your best players on the ice with roy as the top line center. However I like a balanced offense with great potential to score on every line rather then all on one line.

 

Just my opinion.

[ROCBuffalo]

Also if we have an issue with chemistry Lindy needs to stop moving them around so much....makes no sense to me as well. Let them Gel, make mistakes together, thrive together.

[FolignosJock]

No need for you or Korab to read it..this being America and all :rolleyes:

 

 

Actually this is Forum , that exists on the internet, which transcends national boundaries. It is made up of multiple people, from multiple countries and areas. So maybe in the country I live in requires me to read stipid posts? :nana:

[waldo]

Actually this is Forum , that exists on the internet, which transcends national boundaries. It is made up of multiple people, from multiple countries and areas. So maybe in the country I live in requires me to read stipid posts? :nana:

:D

[apuszczalowski]

Great trades are about timing. Taking advantage of a situation is key. Which is why the Sabres should look at a team like the 'Canes and make an offer for Eric Staal. Things are not going well for him this season and the 'Canes have many holes to fill. Offer Roy, a young blueliner and maybe pick or another player off of the roster. It all depends on the mindset of 'Canes at this point. If they are thinking shakeup, the Sabres need to be the team taking advantage of it. This could be another Nathan Horton type opportunity.

I would love to see that, but can't see the Canes giving up their franchise player Staal

Another move I would love to see would be the Sabres making a move for Iginla, or maybe even Carter in Columbus, there are rumors the Blue Jackets might be ready to give up their season and move him (I would prefer Nash more, but like Staal, I can't see them moving him)

[deluca67]

I expect better from you. There is zero chance that Carolina trades Staal, and even less that buffalo gets him without giving up vanek or Myers.

There is always a chance. As I said, it depends on the Canes mindset right now. They are 14th in the conference and Stall is leading the league with a -18. There me be a major shake up in the works in Carolina. The first step is usually firing the coach, which is possible if they continue to play the way they have been.

 

The Canes have missed the playoffs the last two years. In hockey cities other than Buffalo that is a big deal. The prospect of a third straight year without the playoffs could cause a major shakeup.

 

Maybe add Miller and Ward to the mix and make it a blockbuster trade.

 

Staal & Ward for Miller, Roy, Sekera, Foligno and a #1. Throw in Ennis if you have to.

[wonderbread]

If we are talking about moving Miller than, Miller pick/prospect to C-Bus for Carter/Mason.

[SabresBillsBraves]

Millers not going anywhere!! :blink:

[Bullwinkle]

Roy leads all Sabres forwards in ice time. He plays in all situations. He's our only proven scorer at the center position. He's had 8 points in his last 5 games and he pretty much single handedly brought us back against the Habs in the third period on Monday. Yes, he had a tough one yesterday but to echo the sentiments from above, why must we have a "get rid of him" thread every time a guy has a bad game?

 

You are absolutely correct.

[Bullwinkle]

I would love to see that, but can't see the Canes giving up their franchise player Staal

Another move I would love to see would be the Sabres making a move for Iginla, or maybe even Carter in Columbus, there are rumors the Blue Jackets might be ready to give up their season and move him (I would prefer Nash more, but like Staal, I can't see them moving him)

 

No for two reasons...Iginla isn't leaving Calgary - bank on it - and we don't want Carter. Have you seen his contract? Have you looked at his injury history? NO THANK YOU!

 

I was hoping the Sabres would make a move for Benn last season - but he has now broken out, so no chance.

[neverenough]

That.

and da other

[SwampD]

Every time I see people complain about Roy's defense in a GDT I chuckle. They either don't know hockey, or just plain don't like him so they see what they want to see.

[Samson's Flow]

Every time I see people complain about Roy's defense in a GDT I chuckle. They either don't know hockey, or just plain don't like him so they see what they want to see.

What about the countless giveaways from the past few games? Wouldn't that account for defensive shortcomings if he is the catalyst for odd man rushes?

[waldo]

Every time I see people complain about Roy's defense in a GDT I chuckle. They either don't know hockey, or just plain don't like him so they see what they want to see.

 

Some of us have never complained about his d. IMO He is great on the pk,more than a decent back checker. perfect as the 1 in a 1-3-1 trap and a good puck hound in 5x5 or 4x4 play. He is not physical and has no staying power low or on the boards. He also is a puck possession killer in the o zone because: he holds the puck too long; lets pressure come to him; and his first option is alawys shoot, even if it means blowing the zone. He also loses the zone on the pp more often than any other guy other than Myers.

 

The problem is when you pair him with Vanek and Pom, the line is too small low and has no ability to maintain the zone. Vanek and Pom need a physical center who is a playmaker , not a shoot first center . They need a center who mimicks their style not opposes it.Roy either does not want to or cannot deliver the puck on time to open men consistently.(to be honest neither can Adam but he is big, physical,helps with possession and has pass instincts) Many of those open man scoring chances are wasted with a classic Roy low percentage shot.

 

Roy is a critical and valuable Sabre. He needs to score 30 for this team on a two or three line. He needs a line built around his skill sets and that is not Vanek/Pom. That is two physical wingers who can play on the boards and gather his rebounds. He is a two pp unit guy ..not a one.. Boyes and or Hecht give you more puck possesion on the one pp unit and much more pressure going to the net. I would have liked to have said Stafford too but his passing are horrible.

[SabresFanInRochester]

Some of us have never complained about his d. He is great on the pk,more than a decent back checker and a good puck hound. He is not physical and has no staying power low or on the boards. He also is a puck possession killer in the o zone because: he holds the puck too long; lets pressure come to him; and his first option is always shoot, even if it means blowing the zone. He also loses the zone on the pp more often than any other guy other than Myers.

 

The problem is when you pair him with Vanek and Pom, the line is too small low and has no ability to maintain the zone. Vanek and Pom need a physical center who is a playmaker , not a shoot first center . They need a center who mimics their style not opposes it.Roy either does not want to or cannot deliver the puck on time to open men consistently. Many of those chances are wasted with a low percentage shots coming off his stick.

 

Roy is a critical Sabre. He needs to score 30 for this team on a two or three line. He needs a line built around his skill sets and that is not Vanek/Pom. That is two physical wingers who can play on the boards and gather his rebounds. He is a two pp unit guy ..not a one.. Boyes and or Hecht give you more puck possession on the one pp unit and much more pressure going to the net. I would have liked to have said Stafford too but his passing are horrible.

 

Perfect. I agree with this analysis.

 

His past two games were brutal. I am not enjoying the games as much now that he is paired with Vanek and Pommer because as soon as he gets the puck, I am expecting the puck to leave the offensive zone before Pommer or Vanek touch it.

 

Roy started breaking out his year on a different line -- put him back there. Let him gel with someone else, please!

[Samson's Flow]

Some of us have never complained about his d. He is great on the pk,more than a decent back checker and a good puck hound. He is not physical and has no staying power low or on the boards. He also is a puck possession killer in the o zone because: he holds the puck too long; lets pressure come to him; and his first option is alawys shoot, even if it means blowing the zone. He also loses the zone on the pp more often than any other guy other than Myers.

 

The problem is when you pair him with Vanek and Pom, the line is too small low and has no ability to maintain the zone. Vanek and Pom need a physical center who is a playmaker , not a shoot first center . They need a center who mimicks their style not opposes it.Roy either does not want to or cannot deliver the puck on time to open men consistently.(to be honest neither can Adam but he is big, physical,helps with possession and has pass instincts) Many of those open man scoring chances are wasted with a classic Roy low percentage shot.

 

Roy is a critical and valuable Sabre. He needs to score 30 for this team on a two or three line. He needs a line built around his skill sets and that is not Vanek/Pom. That is two physical wingers who can play on the boards and gather his rebounds. He is a two pp unit guy ..not a one.. Boyes and or Hecht give you more puck possesion on the one pp unit and much more pressure going to the net. I would have liked to have said Stafford too but his passing are horrible.

I agree. It seems odd but Roy sort of needs to be the only offensive threat on his line, since any other linemates offensive talents will be negated with Roy's shoot first mentality. Problem is we don't really have any of those physical wingers to gather the rebound type players on the roster. Gerbe? Hecht (IR)? Kaleta? Thinking outside the box here, what if he turns into our third line/shutdown center?

[waldo]

I agree. It seems odd but Roy sort of needs to be the only offensive threat on his line, since any other linemates offensive talents will be negated with Roy's shoot first mentality. Problem is we don't really have any of those physical wingers to gather the rebound type players on the roster. Gerbe? Hecht (IR)? Kaleta? Thinking outside the box here, what if he turns into our third line/shutdown center?

 

imo A terrible waste of a guy with 30 goal 70 pt potential who plays on a team that badly needs his production. but he could also be used as a shutdown center given his d skills.he does it on the pk.

 

If Roy can center a line that puts up one line numbers , let the Vanek line be the two or three line . I do not care. The important thing is the Sabres need two scoring lines, (three would be perfect) to compete with the top five teams and to stop good defensive teams from killing their one line. They need to build a line around Roy that does not include Vanek.

[Samson's Flow]

imo A terrible waste of a guy with 30 goal 70 pt potential who plays on a team that badly needs his production. but he could also be used as a shutdown center given his d skills.he does it on the pk.

 

If Roy can center a line that puts up one line numbers , let the Vanek line be the two or three line . I do not care. The important thing is the Sabres need two scoring lines, (three would be perfect) to compete with the top five teams and to stop good defensive teams from killing their one line.

But doesn't he have 30 goal 70 point potential no matter who he plays with? He plays a nice solid game in the defensive zone and it doesn't matter if he plays with Vanek or Ellis since he has that shoot first mentality (maybe a bit extreme, but you get the point)

[SwampD]

Some of use have never complained about his d. He is great on the pk,more than a decent back checker and a good puck hound. He is not physical and has no staying power low or on the boards. He also is a puck possession killer in the o zone because he holds the puck too long and lets pressure come to him. He does blow the zone on the pp more often than any other guy other than Myers.

 

The problem is when you pair him with Vanek and Pom, the line is too small low and has no ability to maintain the zone. Vanek and Pom need a physical center who is a playmaker , not a shoot first center . They need a center who mimicks their style not opposes it.Roy either does not want to or cannot deliver the puck on time to open men consistently. Many of those chances are wasted with a low percentage shots coming off his stick.

 

Roy is a critical Sabre. He needs to score 30 for this team on a two or three line. He needs a line built around his skill sets and that is not Vanek/Pom. That is two physical wingers who can play on the boards and gather his rebounds. He is a two pp unit guy ..not a one

Every playmaker in the league gives the puck away (just wait until Ennis gets back). Also, Roy keeps just as many possessions alive in the O zone when others lose the puck as he gives away.

 

As far as keeping the puck in on the PP, we have said the exact same thing about every single Sabre back there, except MAG (of all people). We use to kill Pominville for this. Roy doesn't lose it any more than any other sabre, the only difference is that our goalies haven't been stopping the puck from going into the net on these rushes lately.

 

I just don't get why it's always about Roy and what he isn't doing. Why are we always talking about what he should be put on? He's a proven finisher. Why don't we ever talk about who should be put on his line to help him out.

 

Complaining about the Sabres top point getter the past few years just seams silly.

[SwampD]

But doesn't he have 30 goal 70 point potential no matter who he plays with? He plays a nice solid game in the defensive zone and it doesn't matter if he plays with Vanek or Ellis since he has that shoot first mentality (maybe a bit extreme, but you get the point)

You used a lot less words than I did. :thumbsup:

[Samson's Flow]

Every playmaker in the league gives the puck away (just wait until Ennis gets back). Also, Roy keeps just as many possessions alive in the O zone when others lose the puck as he gives away.

 

As far as keeping the puck in on the PP, we have said the exact same thing about every single Sabre back there, except MAG (of all people). We use to kill Pominville for this. Roy doesn't lose it any more than any other sabre, the only difference is that our goalies haven't been stopping the puck from going into the net on these rushes lately.

 

I just don't get why it's always about Roy and what he isn't doing. Why are we always talking about what he should be put on? He's a proven finisher. Why don't we ever talk about who should be put on his line to help him out.

 

Complaining about the Sabres top point getter the past few years just seams silly.

I think this is the key point. As the roster is constructed right now, I don't think we have the right players to maximize Roy's talents. As stated before, he needs some bigger bodies who can win the battles along the boards and collect the rebounds from the chances he creates. Does anyone on this team have that skill set? We don't have the players to put on his line to help him out, which is why he seems to jump from line to line.