matter2003 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 they are back in first place in the Northeast Division and 1 point behind Pittsburgh and Philly for the lead in the Eastern Conference. We are also tied for the NHL lead in wins at 11. Scary to think just how good this team will be when they put it all together and stop giving 20 minute efforts, making dumb turnovers and Miller comes back from being Schizo... Apparently other teams must be playing worse than we are, or as bad...obviously the Sabres can't be the only team doing this if their record is what it is...
neverenough Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 they are back in first place in the Northeast Division and 1 point behind Pittsburgh and Philly for the lead in the Eastern Conference. We are also tied for the NHL lead in wins at 11. Scary to think just how good this team will be when they put it all together and stop giving 20 minute efforts, making dumb turnovers and Miller comes back from being Schizo... Apparently other teams must be playing worse than we are, or as bad...obviously the Sabres can't be the only team doing this if their record is what it is... Yeah they will be damn good when they put it all together. Anybody no when Ennis will be back?
tom webster Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 they are back in first place in the Northeast Division and 1 point behind Pittsburgh and Philly for the lead in the Eastern Conference. We are also tied for the NHL lead in wins at 11. Scary to think just how good this team will be when they put it all together and stop giving 20 minute efforts, making dumb turnovers and Miller comes back from being Schizo... Apparently other teams must be playing worse than we are, or as bad...obviously the Sabres can't be the only team doing this if their record is what it is... Now lets not starting being rational, the kids won't understand.
Stormin Norman Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Now lets not starting being rational, the kids won't understand. We have won the President's trophy and not won the Cup. The only thing that is irrational is believing that a team's regular season record translates to a deep run in the playoffs and perhaps a Cup. If the Sabres had the same record coupled with an ability to demonstrate the kind of physical and mental toughness required in the playoffs, I would be ecstatic. We do have some legitimate questions there, so I am not as enamored with the record as others might be. (And it's not that I am unhappy with the record...just reserved).
Robviously Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 We have won the President's trophy and not won the Cup. The only thing that is irrational is believing that a team's regular season record translates to a deep run in the playoffs and perhaps a Cup. I think every team that has won the Cup since the lockout has been top 8 in the NHL in points during the regular season.
shrader Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 We have won the President's trophy and not won the Cup. The only thing that is irrational is believing that a team's regular season record translates to a deep run in the playoffs and perhaps a Cup. If the Sabres had the same record coupled with an ability to demonstrate the kind of physical and mental toughness required in the playoffs, I would be ecstatic. We do have some legitimate questions there, so I am not as enamored with the record as others might be. (And it's not that I am unhappy with the record...just reserved). So don't translate regular season performance into post season performance... but do translate regular season performance into post season performance? If you say so.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 We have won the President's trophy and not won the Cup. The only thing that is irrational is believing that a team's regular season record translates to a deep run in the playoffs and perhaps a Cup. If the Sabres had the same record coupled with an ability to demonstrate the kind of physical and mental toughness required in the playoffs, I would be ecstatic. We do have some legitimate questions there, so I am not as enamored with the record as others might be. (And it's not that I am unhappy with the record...just reserved). They have not had this since 1975, when they met a team with even more and the best playoff goalie at that time ... the teams (IMHO) best chance at the cup. In '99 they had some of this, but also had Hasek and some luck ... they did play extremely well as a team. In '06 (the second best chance at the cup and would have probably won it if not for those injuries) ... they had it all, but not quite enough physical toughness to overcome those key injuries. If they had I really do feel there would have been the parade.
ROCBuffalo Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Yeah they will be damn good when they put it all together. Anybody no when Ennis will be back? Im not sure but when he does where are they going to put him??
MattPie Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Im not sure but when he does where are they going to put him?? Ellis goes back down, I'd assume. That's who they called up to replace him.
NowDoYouBelieve Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 they are back in first place in the Northeast Division and 1 point behind Pittsburgh and Philly for the lead in the Eastern Conference. We are also tied for the NHL lead in wins at 11. Scary to think just how good this team will be when they put it all together and stop giving 20 minute efforts, making dumb turnovers and Miller comes back from being Schizo... Apparently other teams must be playing worse than we are, or as bad...obviously the Sabres can't be the only team doing this if their record is what it is... Yep, a lot of parity in the Eastern Conference so far. Only Toronto and Florida are doing significantly better than predicted. Maybe NYR too, but I thought they'd be good. I don't see a dominant team arising from the EC this year.
spndnchz Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Ellis goes back down, I'd assume. That's who they called up to replace him. Ellis has been with the team all year. They're allowed 23 players on the roster there is no need to move anyone until both Ennis and Hecht are back.
korab rules Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Ellis has been with the team all year. They're allowed 23 players on the roster there is no need to move anyone until both Ennis and Hecht are back. They should send him down because that's where he belongs.
Weave Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 We have won the President's trophy and not won the Cup. The only thing that is irrational is believing that a team's regular season record translates to a deep run in the playoffs and perhaps a Cup. If the Sabres had the same record coupled with an ability to demonstrate the kind of physical and mental toughness required in the playoffs, I would be ecstatic. We do have some legitimate questions there, so I am not as enamored with the record as others might be. (And it's not that I am unhappy with the record...just reserved). So don't translate regular season performance into post season performance... but do translate regular season performance into post season performance? If you say so. I get, and agree with, the point I think Stormin Norman was making. It comes down to observing the part I bolded. I believe that we have seen a number of excellent regular season runs where not enough physical and mental toughness was noted. And the playoffs were disappointing. So in that respect you can't judge playoff success by regular season performance. However, if the tenacity is evident in the regular season, it generally translates well in the post season. Today I am not convinced that this team has the mental tenacity to make a playoff run. They are in the lead. We've seen this play out before.
Weave Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 They should send him down because that's where he belongs. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
mphs mike Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 They have not had this since 1975, when they met a team with even more and the best playoff goalie at that time ... the teams (IMHO) best chance at the cup. In '99 they had some of this, but also had Hasek and some luck ... they did play extremely well as a team. In '06 (the second best chance at the cup and would have probably won it if not for those injuries) ... they had it all, but not quite enough physical toughness to overcome those key injuries. If they had I really do feel there would have been the parade. What about the 1980 team? I've always thought that was the 2d best chance we had at a cup despite the early finish?
tom webster Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 They have not had this since 1975, when they met a team with even more and the best playoff goalie at that time ... the teams (IMHO) best chance at the cup. In '99 they had some of this, but also had Hasek and some luck ... they did play extremely well as a team. In '06 (the second best chance at the cup and would have probably won it if not for those injuries) ... they had it all, but not quite enough physical toughness to overcome those key injuries. If they had I really do feel there would have been the parade. I cannot ever see this reference and not remind everyone that Hasek was little more then above average that playoff year. They had guys that had career years condensed into a two month playoff run that carried them.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 The Sabres have 1.29 points per game played Pitt and Philly are ahead of Buffalo in points in same amount of games, averaging 1.35 points per game played Washington and the Rangers have 21 points in 15 games for an average of 1.4 points per game played Toronto is 1 point behind with 1.24 points per game played Florida is 1.18 points per game played W-L record is no longer a vaild measure in a bastardised points system. At this early point in the season, points per game played is more valid given there are no fixed points available for capture. Buffalo is 5th in the East. Pretty much as expected. They are just as close to the performance of Florida as they are the performance of Washington. Boston and Tampa have underperformed so far, but in the same sense Toronto and Florida have exceeded expectations. The Sabres are performing pretty much to my expectations. Especially against Boston and Philly.
IKnowPhysics Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 There's been a few threads about not watching the Sabres, etc etc, blah blah blah. If you think they've gotten hard to watch, and you've decided to not watch games because of it, I have no sympathy for you. I love watching this team. OP is right- we may have gross periods of sloppy play, but: We're winning games. We lead the Northeast. We're 2nd in the East. We're on pace for 106 points. If we go the rest of the season only 35-30-0 (five games over .500), we'll still make the playoffs. We're scoring (6th in goals per game). We're scoring on the power play (17.9%, 11th). We're killing penalties like mad (90.5%, 3rd). We're playing well 5 on 5 (1.21 goals for/against 5 on 5, 9th). We're closing out games when we have the lead (83% when leading after 1 period, 100% when leading after two). We're resilient when we give up an early lead (57.2% winning when trailing 1st, 5th). We have dynamic scoring talent (Vanek - 22pts (T-2nd), Pominville 21pts (T-5th)). We have a goaltender that is batting a .942 and a 1.76, 5th in the league. We have seven healthy NHL-grade defensemen, five of whom are offensive defensemen. When is the last time we had all of those pieces put together? When Pegula laid down the money and Regier picked up the players, how long did you figure it would take for the team to transform into a true Cup contender? Half a season? Two seasons? I think we're already close. We see how good the team is when all the pieces move together. I can't wait for the team to bring it all together for 60 minutes each game and tap their fantastic potential. That moment hasn't come yet, but that's the best part: we look like we're playing like ###### in comparison to how we COULD be playing, and we're still in 2nd place. I love watching this team.
apuszczalowski Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 they are back in first place in the Northeast Division and 1 point behind Pittsburgh and Philly for the lead in the Eastern Conference. We are also tied for the NHL lead in wins at 11. Scary to think just how good this team will be when they put it all together and stop giving 20 minute efforts, making dumb turnovers and Miller comes back from being Schizo... Apparently other teams must be playing worse than we are, or as bad...obviously the Sabres can't be the only team doing this if their record is what it is... Yeah, but if you actually look at the standings, its not that impressive. the Rangers and Caps are both 1 point behind with 2 games in hand, The devils, in 9th are 4 points behind with 2 games in hand. Right now they are sitting in second because they have played a couple more games then some teams. If the league used a system other then points for the standings, the Sabres would be lower.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Yeah, but if you actually look at the standings, its not that impressive. the Rangers and Caps are both 1 point behind with 2 games in hand, The devils, in 9th are 4 points behind with 2 games in hand. Right now they are sitting in second because they have played a couple more games then some teams. If the league used a system other then points for the standings, the Sabres would be lower. Correct. The points system for OT is disgusting. If they want to keep a shootout in play, then they need to find a way to have a fixed point system. 5 points for a win, 3 points for an OT/SO win and 2 points for a OT/SO loss. One of the reasons you are seeing the trap and 1-3-1 and all this garbage is because it behooves teams to slow the game down and lowering goal output, giving a better chance to get 1 point and have a coinflip for 2. All these GAA's at 2 and below.....fans should have an outcry at the points system. It's like the welfare system.....why should a single Mom work her butt off for $22K a year and pay daycare when she can stay home for $15K?
Derrico Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 There's been a few threads about not watching the Sabres, etc etc, blah blah blah. If you think they've gotten hard to watch, and you've decided to not watch games because of it, I have no sympathy for you. I love watching this team. OP is right- we may have gross periods of sloppy play, but: We're winning games. We lead the Northeast. We're 2nd in the East. We're on pace for 106 points. If we go the rest of the season only 35-30-0 (five games over .500), we'll still make the playoffs. We're scoring (6th in goals per game). We're scoring on the power play (17.9%, 11th). We're killing penalties like mad (90.5%, 3rd). We're playing well 5 on 5 (1.21 goals for/against 5 on 5, 9th). We're closing out games when we have the lead (83% when leading after 1 period, 100% when leading after two). We're resilient when we give up an early lead (57.2% winning when trailing 1st, 5th). We have dynamic scoring talent (Vanek - 22pts (T-2nd), Pominville 21pts (T-5th)). We have a goaltender that is batting a .942 and a 1.76, 5th in the league. We have seven healthy NHL-grade defensemen, five of whom are offensive defensemen. When is the last time we had all of those pieces put together? When Pegula laid down the money and Regier picked up the players, how long did you figure it would take for the team to transform into a true Cup contender? Half a season? Two seasons? I think we're already close. We see how good the team is when all the pieces move together. I can't wait for the team to bring it all together for 60 minutes each game and tap their fantastic potential. That moment hasn't come yet, but that's the best part: we're look like we're playing like ###### in comparison to how we COULD be playing, and we're still in 2nd place. I love watching this team. What a breat of fresh air. Thank you. I understand the discussion that we've played more games then some teams but all of your stats except the first three are based on averages so they still hold true.
NowDoYouBelieve Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Yeah, but if you actually look at the standings, its not that impressive. the Rangers and Caps are both 1 point behind with 2 games in hand, The devils, in 9th are 4 points behind with 2 games in hand. Right now they are sitting in second because they have played a couple more games then some teams. If the league used a system other then points for the standings, the Sabres would be lower. Incorrect. If the NHL used the traditional W-L (and really, I can't fathom why they don't) the Sabres would still be 2nd in the East, percentage points behind Washington. 1. Capitals 10-5 2. Sabres 11-6 3. Rangers 9-6 4. Flyers 10-7 5. Penguins 10-7 6. Leafs 10-7 7. Devils 8-7 8. Panthers 8-8 The points system is ridiculous. Teams are credited with losing in OT, but not debited for winning in OT. The Sabres' only crime so far has been wasting their losses in regulation. :rolleyes: I'd be willing to accept a 3-2-1-0 system, even though I'd still dislike it. At least in this case, total points yielded would be the same for every NHL game. As things stand, expected value goes up by 50% for both teams just because they can't settle things in 60 minutes. Think of the stupidity in the context of any other sport: "And it's a walk off home run for Jeter in the bottom of the 13th and a full win for the Yankees! The Red Sox will be forced to head home with just half a win." Or how about this: Your team is in 7th place in their conference and done with their season. The 8th and 9th place teams are both in striking distance, but each only has one game remaining...and it's against the other. The two teams play and BOTH overtake the 7th place team. Ridiculous. Get it right, NHL. Wins and losses. That's it.
LGR4GM Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Correct. The points system for OT is disgusting. If they want to keep a shootout in play, then they need to find a way to have a fixed point system. 5 points for a win, 3 points for an OT/SO win and 2 points for a OT/SO loss. 2 points for a win in reg or OT, 1 for a shootout and 0 for the loser. I understand what people are saying but there was something special that you could just see in the 05-06 team. This team could get there but they have not yet. I hope they see so much adversity over the next month that by the team christmas rolls around they are lean, mean, playoff team... Having problems and over coming them is what brings teams together... I just have not seen this team do that yet. The good side is this team won't peak early and that could help in the long run. The standings mean nothing boston has outscored opponents 30-10 in the last 5 games and sits only 4pts behind the sabres. By game 25 the standing will look a lot different.
NowDoYouBelieve Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 2 points for a win in reg or OT, 1 for a shootout and 0 for the loser. I understand what people are saying but there was something special that you could just see in the 05-06 team. This team could get there but they have not yet. I hope they see so much adversity over the next month that by the team christmas rolls around they are lean, mean, playoff team... Having problems and over coming them is what brings teams together... I just have not seen this team do that yet. The good side is this team won't peak early and that could help in the long run. The standings mean nothing boston has outscored opponents 30-10 in the last 5 games and sits only 4pts behind the sabres. By game 25 the standing will look a lot different. No, this presents the same problem as the current system. East game MUST yield the same number of points, or the system remains intrinsically flawed.
SwampD Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 No, this presents the same problem as the current system. Each game MUST yield the same number of points, or the system remains intrinsically flawed. I don't agree with that. In fact, I have watched some awful games where I thought the winner only deserved 1 point.
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