SwampD Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I beg to differ.... http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/4/26/2134750/buffalo-sabres-philadelphia-flyers-nhl-playoffs-2011 http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42773843/ns/sports-nhl/ No, I don't think he showed up at all in that game. So what's your point is the question. Miller needed to steal that game, he failed, plain and simple. :wallbash: 50% Roy 50% Hecht no Pominville no Connolly a concussed Nieieiedermieieieir no Kaleta an ancient Grier If he didn't show up, he wasn't alone.
JujuFish Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I beg to differ.... http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/4/26/2134750/buffalo-sabres-philadelphia-flyers-nhl-playoffs-2011 http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42773843/ns/sports-nhl/ No, I don't think he showed up at all in that game. So what's your point is the question. Miller needed to steal that game, he failed, plain and simple. Let's conveniently forget that despite only playing the Flyers, Miller had more shutouts than any other goalie in the playoffs aside from Thomas and Luongo, the two goalies that met in the finals. How about the year before when Miller had the second best save percentage and the best GAA in the playoffs?
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Let's conveniently forget that despite only playing the Flyers, Miller had more shutouts than any other goalie in the playoffs aside from Thomas and Luongo, the two goalies that met in the finals. How about the year before when Miller had the second best save percentage and the best GAA in the playoffs? And once again, where did that best GAA and second best save percentage get Miller in game 6 against Boston? Nowhere, that's where. I know many will defend him with every fiber in their being, and that is fine. I love the passion. But no one, not even me (who wishes it was different) can get around the historical fact that Miller could not steal a playoff series on his own. It's not really a big deal either. Many goalies who are just above average (which is what I consider Miller) are in the same boat. The depature of Drury/Briere and the subsequent lack of "must win or clutch game" performances by Miller when it comes to "series clincher's" is well documented. This isn't new news to anyone, or atleast, it shouldn't be.
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 :wallbash: 50% Roy 50% Hecht no Pominville no Connolly a concussed Nieieiedermieieieir no Kaleta an ancient Grier If he didn't show up, he wasn't alone. I agree, many didn't show up that series. But many of them weren't making 6.25 mil a season. When you pay someone that amount, your expectations are higher. The ultimate sad part of this situation is that Miller is an above average goaltender and his failures, although seemingly large, are in fact (as you and many others point out) a broader lack of talent from the team perspective. But then again, he is a part of that team, when the season is on the line, he has proven he cannot carry that load, which leads some fans to question whether he is indeed, worth the 6.25 mil. And I can't say I fault their line of thinking either, although I don't focus on the money so much, it is a larger part of the game now that a CAP is in place.
Cereal Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Haha, this Trade Miller talk is cracking me up. Jhonas Enroth has started NINETEEN games in the NHL. I'm excited about having a solid backup (Enroth, just to clarify) as much as anyone, but gee whiz.... In an earlier post, I implied that there might be some serious discussion that Enroth could be great trade bait later in the season -- like maybe if he gets ten to fifteen more solid starts before the trade deadline, and once the team identifies its true holes on defense or forward -- and y'all took it the wrong direction! Miller will be back to form by the January west cost trip, and we shall coast to many victories. It is very likely that Enroth (and Miller, just to clarify) will remain on the roster until the summer, as we have him under contract next year, too. His trade value could be high in the offseason.
JujuFish Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 And once again, where did that best GAA and second best save percentage get Miller in game 6 against Boston? Nowhere, that's where. I know many will defend him with every fiber in their being, and that is fine. I love the passion. But no one, not even me (who wishes it was different) can get around the historical fact that Miller could not steal a playoff series on his own. It's not really a big deal either. Many goalies who are just above average (which is what I consider Miller) are in the same boat. The depature of Drury/Briere and the subsequent lack of "must win or clutch game" performances by Miller when it comes to "series clincher's" is well documented. This isn't new news to anyone, or atleast, it shouldn't be. You mean the same game 6 where Miller faced a third of the shots while the Sabres were penalty killing? Yes, let's blame Miller for that. I love how you're ignoring Miller's two shutouts against the Flyers as well. First it's Miller can't steal a game, now it's Miller can't steal a series. Soon it'll be Miller can't steal the Cup. You seem too hung up on Miller's salary. You can pick any goalie with a high salary and pick out faults. Here's the top three goalies in salary: Bryzgalov - 0-4 last year in the playoffs .879 SV%. Where was he in any of those games? 3-4 the year before with .906 SV% and gave up 6 goals in game 7. Lundqvist - 1-4 last year in the playoffs, .889 SV% in game 5 Luongo - Gave up 4 goals, .850SV% in the biggest game of them all, game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. Clearly you just have a bias against Miller. It's OK, everyone has biases. Just man up and admit to it.
nucci Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 And he was the only Sabre that showed up to play that game, so whats your point?? My point is one poster asked who you would pick to start a game 7 in the Finals. He mentioned Miller without a doubt. I questioned that since Miller was pulled from a game 7 last year. Was that hard for you to figure out what I meant?
repster Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Haha, this Trade Miller talk is cracking me up. Jhonas Enroth has started NINETEEN games in the NHL. I'm excited about having a solid backup (Enroth, just to clarify) as much as anyone, but gee whiz.... In an earlier post, I implied that there might be some serious discussion that Enroth could be great trade bait later in the season -- like maybe if he gets ten to fifteen more solid starts before the trade deadline, and once the team identifies its true holes on defense or forward -- and y'all took it the wrong direction! Miller will be back to form by the January west cost trip, and we shall coast to many victories. It is very likely that Enroth (and Miller, just to clarify) will remain on the roster until the summer, as we have him under contract next year, too. His trade value could be high in the offseason. Patrick Lalime started his career 14-0-2. He was never an elite goalie. You just never know how things will turn out long term. I want them both on my team pushing the other guy to be better. I think anyone in their right mind wants Miller to get back on his game. It's off right now, but he has carried this team on many occasions in his career and if he had better defensemen in front of him at the critical playoff times, this team would already have a Stanley Cup and maybe two. Let's not trade either of them.
nfreeman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I beg to differ.... http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/4/26/2134750/buffalo-sabres-philadelphia-flyers-nhl-playoffs-2011 http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42773843/ns/sports-nhl/ No, I don't think he showed up at all in that game. So what's your point is the question. Miller needed to steal that game, he failed, plain and simple. You just destroyed your credibility. No one with functioning eyes who watched that game can dispute that Miller was the only one on the team who showed up for it.
darksabre Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Patrick Lalime started his career 14-0-2. He was never an elite goalie. You just never know how things will turn out long tong term. I want them both on my team pushing the other guy to be better. I think anyone in their right mind wants Miller to get back on his game. It's off right now, but he has carried this team on many occasions in his career and if he had better defensemen in front of him at the critical playoff times, this team would already have a Stanley Cup and maybe two. Let's not trade either of them. Excellent post.
pegs4mayor Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Patrick Lalime started his career 14-0-2. He was never an elite goalie. You just never know how things will turn out long tong term. I want them both on my team pushing the other guy to :be better. I think anyone in their right mind wants Miller to get back on his game. It's off right now, but he has carried this team on many occasions in his career and if he had better defensemen in front of him at the critical playoff times, this team would already have a Stanley Cup and maybe two. Let's not trade either of them. This. No offence meant to anyone but why can't we relize that the team finally has a nice 1-2 punch. Millers slumping right now but we all know that he will most likley pick it up... (at least i hope so) lets enjoy the ride people.! EDIT: Btw I really like enroth and miller (when he plays his game soundly or swears in interviews!!
NowDoYouBelieve Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 This. No offence meant to anyone but why can't we relize that the team finally has a nice 1-2 punch. Millers slumping right now but we all know thaylt he will most likley pick it up... so lets enjoy the ride people.! Sports fans in general have a propensity to want to run the #1 guy out of town when there are signs of trouble.
VansTheMans Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Vanek Adam Pommers continue to be one of the best lines in the NHL. Vanek in particular has been nothing short of spectacular this season.
pegs4mayor Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I know. Then when the #1 guyis gone we will all complain that we didn't enough in return or we say that our new #1 just doesn't cut it. Way to much stress over a great goalie situation. Next season we should (maybe) talk about trading one or the other. Seems to me like a contenders set of goalies in our miller and ethron :)
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 You just destroyed your credibility. No one with functioning eyes who watched that game can dispute that Miller was the only one on the team who showed up for it. Someone else that watched that game......... :beer:
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 My point is one poster asked who you would pick to start a game 7 in the Finals. He mentioned Miller without a doubt. I questioned that since Miller was pulled from a game 7 last year. Was that hard for you to figure out what I meant? Ummm, did you watch that game???........Because if you did Miller being pulled had nothing to do with him and how he was playing.......It was part message to the team and part Ruff having Mercy on Miller because he was being pelted with Rubber.
donteatyellowsnow Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 You mean the same game 6 where Miller faced a third of the shots while the Sabres were penalty killing? Yes, let's blame Miller for that. I love how you're ignoring Miller's two shutouts against the Flyers as well. First it's Miller can't steal a game, now it's Miller can't steal a series. Soon it'll be Miller can't steal the Cup. You seem too hung up on Miller's salary. You can pick any goalie with a high salary and pick out faults. Here's the top three goalies in salary: Bryzgalov - 0-4 last year in the playoffs .879 SV%. Where was he in any of those games? 3-4 the year before with .906 SV% and gave up 6 goals in game 7. Lundqvist - 1-4 last year in the playoffs, .889 SV% in game 5 Luongo - Gave up 4 goals, .850SV% in the biggest game of them all, game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. Clearly you just have a bias against Miller. It's OK, everyone has biases. Just man up and admit to it. So sick of hearing that crap. A series is not 2 games long! It takes 4 wins to win a series. Miller had 2 shutouts, so! How did he do in the other 5 games? He gave up 20 effing goals, that is horrible! He was good for 2 games and sucked in the other 5. Criticize Luongo all you want as a chocker but at least he got to the finals and he had 2 shutouts also in the Finals and all anyone does is label him as a choker. Miller can't even get past the 1st round lately, wtf and you want to compare him to Luongo. Stop please!
deluca67 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 The NHL is going to have to add another stat to Miller's players page. Right next to the gaa needs to be the gea, goals excused away. :doh:
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 The NHL is going to have to add another stat to Miller's players page. Right next to the gaa needs to be the gea, goals excused away. :doh: Ottawa's goaltending looked great yesterday....... :rolleyes:
deluca67 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Ottawa's goaltending looked great yesterday....... :rolleyes: Think they would have interest in Miller?
JujuFish Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 So sick of hearing that crap. A series is not 2 games long! It takes 4 wins to win a series. Miller had 2 shutouts, so! How did he do in the other 5 games? He gave up 20 effing goals, that is horrible! He was good for 2 games and sucked in the other 5. Criticize Luongo all you want as a chocker but at least he got to the finals and he had 2 shutouts also in the Finals and all anyone does is label him as a choker. Miller can't even get past the 1st round lately, wtf and you want to compare him to Luongo. Stop please! You clearly did not understand what I wrote, but thanks for the laugh.
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 You just destroyed your credibility. No one with functioning eyes who watched that game can dispute that Miller was the only one on the team who showed up for it. I'm actually sorry you feel that although my opinion differ's from yours, that in your eye's it destroys all of my credibility with you. I was looking forward to many conversations with you, as I have noticed you to be a regular poster, with some back and forth on points of view. I, for one, would never close off another fans vantage point of a situation, no matter how I feel on the situation, that is short-sightedness to me in any event. But, I respect how you feel on the subject. I'll respond in kind. I did watch every game in that series, "very closely". Closer than what you might like to admit in any event. I watched as the team had an extremely difficult time with the Philly forecheck. I also watched as Miller had an even harder time keeping the puck out of the net in a "MUST WIN" game. Sometimes, when you are expected to be the hero, you just be the hero. No excuses.
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Haha, this Trade Miller talk is cracking me up. Jhonas Enroth has started NINETEEN games in the NHL. I'm excited about having a solid backup (Enroth, just to clarify) as much as anyone, but gee whiz.... In an earlier post, I implied that there might be some serious discussion that Enroth could be great trade bait later in the season -- like maybe if he gets ten to fifteen more solid starts before the trade deadline, and once the team identifies its true holes on defense or forward -- and y'all took it the wrong direction! Miller will be back to form by the January west cost trip, and we shall coast to many victories. It is very likely that Enroth (and Miller, just to clarify) will remain on the roster until the summer, as we have him under contract next year, too. His trade value could be high in the offseason. I can only hope you are correct and Miller does return to form, but as of right now, the number goaltender in Buffalo is JHONAS ENROTH, not RYAN MILLER. I do however, also completely agree that Miller's worth will be high in the off season. I believe he is gone this off season, if for no other reason than the need to complete the forward ranks combined with the play of Enroth.
darksabre Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I can only hope you are correct and Miller does return to form, but as of right now, the number goaltender in Buffalo is JHONAS ENROTH, not RYAN MILLER. I do however, also completely agree that Miller's worth will be high in the off season. I believe he is gone this off season, if for no other reason than the need to complete the forward ranks combined with the play of Enroth. You're aware that Darcy Regier is the GM of this team, right?
spndnchz Posted November 12, 2011 Author Report Posted November 12, 2011 ..and the bandwagon, keeps trolling, along... Everybody....!
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