LastPommerFan Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 They would have to bring in a Nimitz Class Carrier, the Essex Class (like the Intrepid) would be too narrow, but they could park it right next to the intrepid (I've seen the Nimitz Class lead ship, USS Nimitz, parked there, it makes the Intrepid look like a fishing boat) It would be in NY on New Years Day, so it could be a part of that whole spectacle. Chz, make it happen. Makin' it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 The teams with cap space left have said space for a reason, internal budgets are more restrictive. If someone is interested, I'm more than willing (later in the season, and again this conversation started with the assumption that at that point both goalies are playing well), I just doubt the interest. I am sure there are many teams that would have plenty of interest in seeing Ryan Miller as their netminder. So I have no idea where the doubt you have is coming from. I do agree with you that any trade, should it be considered, come at a time when Ryan is playing better as well as those moments when his value can be increased by circumstances. I.E. at the deadline when teams are gearing up for a playoff run or in the offseason when teams are looking to build up a potential winning roster. As was pointed out to me more than several times (and something I tend to agree with), any trade, even though very remote, should include a plan to replace Miller with a capable netminder to fill his slot. I just don't see a trade happening this season myself, but the offseason, should Enroth continue to perform could be very interesting indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I am sure there are many teams that would have plenty of interest in seeing Ryan Miller as their netminder. So I have no idea where the doubt you have is coming from. I do agree with you that any trade, should it be considered, come at a time when Ryan is playing better as well as those moments when his value can be increased by circumstances. I.E. at the deadline when teams are gearing up for a playoff run or in the offseason when teams are looking to build up a potential winning roster. As was pointed out to me more than several times (and something I tend to agree with), any trade, even though very remote, should include a plan to replace Miller with a capable netminder to fill his slot. I just don't see a trade happening this season myself, but the offseason, should Enroth continue to perform could be very interesting indeed. We were specifically talking about a trade with a team looking to boost revenue by adding the Ryan Miller Brand to their team. I was pointing out that at $6M+ that team might not be interested do to internal cap constraints. This was a result of a conversation about Miller having more trade value than Enroth because, as Deluca claims, he has better name recognition. I hope this gives a summary picture of what exactly I was doubting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 The teams with cap space left have said space for a reason, internal budgets are more restrictive. If someone is interested, I'm more than willing (later in the season, and again this conversation started with the assumption that at that point both goalies are playing well), I just doubt the interest. I would image Burke has the nerve to make a big trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Just imagine if Boston had gotten rid of Thomas when the fans thought that Rask was ready to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I think it's way to early to consider moving Miller. Goalie is one position where depth is needed. Who would back up Enroth if Miller is moved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Trading Miller at this point would be really stupid, unless some team was offering a buttload of talent in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I think it's way to early to consider moving Miller. Goalie is one position where depth in needed. Who would back up Enroth if Miler is moved? Why would we care about that? How else could we complain that Enroth is being over worked and that Lindy doesn't know how to use his backups? :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Why would we care about that? How else could we complain that Enroth is being over worked and that Lindy doesn't know how to use his backups? :wallbash: LOL.. So true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I would image Burke has the nerve to make a big trade... Maybe we can trade Miller for Connolly and a 4th round conditional pick . We could use a resilient center that is rarely injured ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM8-PL16 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Just imagine if Boston had gotten rid of Thomas when the fans thought that Rask was ready to take over. EXACTLY!!! didn't Thomas come back the next year and win the Vezina? All this talk about trading Miller or benching him for any kind of real length of time is total nonsense. even right now, if someone said "we are going to fast forward the season (time travel) and the Sabres are in the Stanley Cup finals, game 7,... who do want in goal?" I pick Ryan Miller... and you would too, you know it. Put your emotions aside and nonsense about he makes 6 million and blah blah blah, you want that guy in there when it's on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 We were specifically talking about a trade with a team looking to boost revenue by adding the Ryan Miller Brand to their team. I was pointing out that at $6M+ that team might not be interested do to internal cap constraints. This was a result of a conversation about Miller having more trade value than Enroth because, as Deluca claims, he has better name recognition. I hope this gives a summary picture of what exactly I was doubting. Ah, yes it does, and thanks LPF, I tend not to read all the way back. And I am not sure on that specific subject of increased revenue or not. You may be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 EXACTLY!!! didn't Thomas come back the next year and win the Vezina? All this talk about trading Miller or benching him for any kind of real length of time is total nonsense. even right now, if someone said "we are going to fast forward the season (time travel) and the Sabres are in the Stanley Cup finals, game 7,... who do want in goal?" I pick Ryan Miller... and you would too, you know it. Put your emotions aside and nonsense about he makes 6 million and blah blah blah, you want that guy in there when it's on the line. Not true, not true at all in so far as who I would want in net in game 7 of the finals. I would want Miller on the bench. You need to look at Miller's record since he's been at the professional level. To date, he has not in point of fact, ever successfully carried this team in those "clutch game", "must win", "series clinching" scenario's. To the contrary, he has consistently failed in them. I want Jhonas Enroth in net for those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Not true, not true at all in so far as who I would want in net in game 7 of the finals. I would want Miller on the bench. You need to look at Miller's record since he's been at the professional level. To date, he has not in point of fact, ever successfully carried this team in those "clutch game", "must win", "series clinching" scenario's. To the contrary, he has consistently failed in them. I want Jhonas Enroth in net for those games. This is why you fail, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 This is why you fail, lol I am hoping we find out if my thoughts on this are a fail or not this coming post season.... ;) I just want the team to be successful in the playoffs, and I am glad Miller is having these issues early in the season and not in March/April. I still want him to perform in the regular season the way he does. All in all, the team is looking like a potential contender, if not this season, then next season. But Pegula's 3 year time frame looks more and more as if it is obtainable. I am "Hopeful" there is a Stanley Cup Victory Parade in Buffalo in the near "Future". :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Just imagine if Boston had gotten rid of Thomas when the fans thought that Rask was ready to take over. A team catches lighting in a bottle and the Sabres should base that as their model for success? Enroth is just as likely to get as hot as Thomas was in last years playoffs. Enroth has been on a really good run starting last year. The Sabres this season have 10 wins and Enroth has been in net for half of them with half as many starts as Miller. The idea that Enroth may simply be the better goalie has to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 A team catches lighting in a bottle and the Sabres should base that as their model for success? Enroth is just as likely to get as hot as Thomas was in last years playoffs. Enroth has been on a really good run starting last year. The Sabres this season have 10 wins and Enroth has been in net for half of them with half as many starts as Miller. The idea that Enroth may simply be the better goalie has to be considered. While your observation is correct (Enroth has been more successful in getting W's), the sample size is far to small to make a long term decision based on a short term trend. Enroth could be a better goalie, but you want to get a larger sample before making a franchise altering decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 The Sabres this season have 10 wins and Enroth has been in net for half of them with half as many starts as Miller. The idea that Enroth may simply be the better goalie has to be considered. I think it is being considered which is precisely why the debate is so impassioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 The Sabres this season have 10 wins and Enroth has been in net for half of them with half as many starts as Miller. The idea that Enroth may simply be the better goalie has to be considered. I think it is being considered which is precisely why the debate is so impassioned. Ooohh pretty colors... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoYouBelieve Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 A team catches lighting in a bottle and the Sabres should base that as their model for success? Enroth is just as likely to get as hot as Thomas was in last years playoffs. Enroth has been on a really good run starting last year. The Sabres this season have 10 wins and Enroth has been in net for half of them with half as many starts as Miller. The idea that Enroth may simply be the better goalie has to be considered. Couldn't you argue that every Stanley Cup winning team catches lightning in a bottle in one way or another? I don't think that recognizing you have two assets at one position and utilizing both of them is a poor model for success :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 EXACTLY!!! didn't Thomas come back the next year and win the Vezina? All this talk about trading Miller or benching him for any kind of real length of time is total nonsense. even right now, if someone said "we are going to fast forward the season (time travel) and the Sabres are in the Stanley Cup finals, game 7,... who do want in goal?" I pick Ryan Miller... and you would too, you know it. Put your emotions aside and nonsense about he makes 6 million and blah blah blah, you want that guy in there when it's on the line. Well, we were in a game 7 last year and he didn't finish the game so the answer is not so clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Well, we were in a game 7 last year and he didn't finish the game so the answer is not so clear. And he was the only Sabre that showed up to play that game, so whats your point?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 And he was the only Sabre that showed up to play that game, so whats your point?? I beg to differ.... http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/4/26/2134750/buffalo-sabres-philadelphia-flyers-nhl-playoffs-2011 http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42773843/ns/sports-nhl/ No, I don't think he showed up at all in that game. So what's your point is the question. Miller needed to steal that game, he failed, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 You sir, are a champion. He constantly reinvigorates my hope. We were specifically talking about a trade with a team looking to boost revenue by adding the Ryan Miller Brand to their team. I was pointing out that at $6M+ that team might not be interested do to internal cap constraints. This was a result of a conversation about Miller having more trade value than Enroth because, as Deluca claims, he has better name recognition. I hope this gives a summary picture of what exactly I was doubting. I think that a lot of teams could afford to get a player like Ryan Miller. When you consider that the Sabres would probably get back ~2.5-3.5 million of salary for his return (young talented players), it's not hard to imagine plenty of teams trading for Miller. Sometimes teams with monetary constraints do make those kinds of trades, like when Atlanta traded for Byfuglien, but those teams wouldn't be the only clubs capable to make that trade cap-wise. EDIT: I'm just playing devil's advocate, here. I do not think that we should trade Miller. Just imagine if Boston had gotten rid of Thomas when the fans thought that Rask was ready to take over. This is an excellent point. Maybe we can trade Miller for Connolly and a 4th round conditional pick . We could use a resilient center that is rarely injured ;) Muhuhahaha! Not true, not true at all in so far as who I would want in net in game 7 of the finals. I would want Miller on the bench. You need to look at Miller's record since he's been at the professional level. To date, he has not in point of fact, ever successfully carried this team in those "clutch game", "must win", "series clinching" scenario's. To the contrary, he has consistently failed in them. STOP STATING THIS AS IF IT IS FACT. You have stated multiple times that this is your opinion, but the way you word your arguments insists as if this is absolutely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I beg to differ.... http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/4/26/2134750/buffalo-sabres-philadelphia-flyers-nhl-playoffs-2011 http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42773843/ns/sports-nhl/ No, I don't think he showed up at all in that game. So what's your point is the question. Miller needed to steal that game, he failed, plain and simple. Are you kidding me, did you watch the game? But I guess that wouldn't matter you are so blinded by your mission.........The score could have been 17-0 after the first period if it wasn't for Miller, you can't start rewriting history because there are plenty of people on this board that watched that horrible game and Miller was the only Sabre that earned his keep that day.....I like Miller, but I can admit that he has been off his game and that he needs to work things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.