LGR4GM Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 What are you basing this on? Not trying to be a jerk, I would just like to know why you think so. just my opinion, I could be totally wrong. I just feel that it will take several weeks for him to iron out and get back to form and I figure he will get a good number of starts to allow that to happen. Just figure it will be btw game 20-25 or so... should correspond with the defense starting to gel.
DumbPuck Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Miller aside, four of the Winnipeg goals should have been goals. Even High school players should have scored those goals, regardless of who was in net. Maybe it looked different on TV. Sekera and Myers had a brutal night defensively. X, take this with half devil's advocate and half true personal opinion: I don't think it is too much to EXPECT Miller to rob some shooters out of these goals that could have been made by high schoolers. That's what makes him an excellent goaltender. He can make those crazy saves. Several shots last year in the Philly series fit your description as well. Case in point is the point blank Briere shot that Miller essentially stole from his stick. My frustration with Miller in his past two starts is that I have not seen him rob anybody in typical Miller form. In fact, quite the opposite in that I feel that the saves he is making are producing amazingly juicy rebounds. EDIT: Oops, responded to a post from page 1 without realizing there was a page 2.. I think DeLuca had somewhat the same thoughts as I do.
X. Benedict Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 X, take this with half devil's advocate and half true personal opinion: I don't think it is too much to EXPECT Miller to rob some shooters out of these goals that could have been made by high schoolers. That's what makes him an excellent goaltender. He can make those crazy saves. etc.... so I'm on the opposite of that one. I dont' expect a goaltender to make saves from one time uncontested shots 8ft from the top of the crease. Ever. The D gave professionals 1 ft. putts. Pure breakdowns. It just happened to be Miller in net. I'm actually happy for that.... he has the stuff to be alright. I would have been more upset if it was Enroth hung out.
... Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 I don't know, X, shoot-outs would be pointless if that's all it took to score coming down the slot. Of course, the calamity of a game is different than the focus of the shoot -out, but I think the point stands.
HopefulFuture Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 What would really help Miller's confidence is if our D would wake the F*** up in front of him. His style of goaltending works very well when his D is doing their part... makes him look like trash when they're not. Even moreso than a Hasek type goaltender/acrobat I think. Hasek carried the D here for years, it wasn't the other way around. And Miller isn't that style of goalie anyways. Miller needs the D to step up, funk or no funk. I can look at all 5 goals and say 2 of them were tough stops. However, 3 of those goals it's up to Miller to stop. The one where he slides to far to the right (he has a tendancy to do that) and gets caught out of position after the puck goes off of the boards behind the net, which he watched it do. The second one is the pass from behind the net, Miller needs to be ready for that type of play. The third one is the breakaway off of the boneheaded Sekera move, Miller had time to set, he was victimized on 2 of those I list on the glove side. The from behind the net pass caught him blocker side. The defense does need to get their act together for sure, but Miller needs to step up and make some of those saves.....
Eleven Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 One on one with a shooter is supposed to be to Miller's advantage. It's what he gets paid the big money for. Twice he was beat one on one. Another he was too busy watching watching the guy behind the net and another he was on his knees too far over on a shot wide of the net. He took himself out of the play. Right now Miller just isn't playing to the level he should be and the level this team needs him to be at. He is in a slump and Tuesday didn't help. I'm hoping Tuesday didn't hurt, either, but I agree that it didn't help. And I also agree that he didn't look his best. Sure, some of the chances were created because the D wasn't on its best game either (I'll note that the same D plays in front of ETHRON when he starts), but Miller isn't a $6M goalie because he needs his D to be perfect all the time. One problem is that starting ETHRON does not help Miller in the least, even if it helps the team in the short term.
Drunkard Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 I voted undecided since we won't really know until his next start. I'm just glad we made up for some down right ###### defensive breakdowns to put up some goals and pull the game out. They hung Miller out to dry at certain times for sure, but when he's really on his game he stops some of those goals and we win 4-2 or 4-3. Ruff really needs to split up the pairing of Myers and Sekera. Put Myers with Regehr and put Leopold with Sekera or preferably Weber. We have a glut of offensive defensemen but Lindy needs to do his best to try to pair each offensive d-man with a stay at home type. Unfortunately the only two guys who really fit that role are Regehr and Weber and they aren't playing Weber too much at the moment.
Bmwolf21 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 What does he owe his defense? A blindfold, a last smoke, and a bullet? Did anyone listen to Miller's post game? He was a much humbler fellow. This did nothing for his confidence. He admitted he is not playing as well as he should. Miller is going through things that we can't analyze, he is not himself, time will tell if he can recover but this game did nothing to help him. The most it gave him was game feeling again. Roy's threshold for getting his legs back was 10-15 games, Millers is 20-25 so its going to be a little bit, look for normal/real Miller to appear in December with brief appearances in November... that is the Miller forecast for the next month. just my opinion, I could be totally wrong. I just feel that it will take several weeks for him to iron out and get back to form and I figure he will get a good number of starts to allow that to happen. Just figure it will be btw game 20-25 or so... should correspond with the defense starting to gel. I disagree. Not only are you talking physical versus psychological (Roy coming back from an injury, Miller just struggling) there is no way it takes him 20-25 games to snap out of this slump. If it does he either a) loses his starting job completely to Enroth and/or b) we tumble into the cellar.
Weave Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 I'm hoping Tuesday didn't hurt, either, but I agree that it didn't help. And I also agree that he didn't look his best. Sure, some of the chances were created because the D wasn't on its best game either (I'll note that the same D plays in front of ETHRON when he starts), but Miller isn't a $6M goalie because he needs his D to be perfect all the time. One problem is that starting ETHRON does not help Miller in the least, even if it helps the team in the short term. Two good points in the bolded section.
RazielSabre Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Considering he was playing without any kind of D I think he did well, he helped us get the win when we really shouldn't have had it. I do think Hasek would have given up most of those goals, but the difference is he might have thrown the puck at someone. :D
5th line wingnutt Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 No. He'd need a really good game to bust out of the slump, and allowing 5 goals (even if they weren't all his fault) just isn't a good game. I'm not the biggest Miller fan in Buffalo, but I absolutely hate the fans giving him Bronx cheers. WTF is that about? Did Miller do something to us? Did we forget that he stole TWO games for us in last year's first round? I don't get it. Effort has never been a problem with Miller. Out of every Sabre we've had in the last 10 years, would you say anyone has taken their job more seriously? Why are we so eager to come down on this guy? Miller has struggled early this season but the guy clearly works his ass off. Maybe the fans could take a deep breath and stop being douche bags. I also thought he stole a couple. But in other games he was weak. A big part of goal tending is concentration. Miller got concussed towards the end of last season. Concussions can cause concentration to be spotty. Is this why he was inconsistent? Is this why he is off to a rough start this year? If so, it is a real bad sign.
X. Benedict Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 I don't know, X, shoot-outs would be pointless if that's all it took to score coming down the slot. Of course, the calamity of a game is different than the focus of the shoot -out, but I think the point stands. Shootouts are a different animal. A goaltender can definitely get a read on a shooter skating down the ice. You can have a decent expectation of the goalie stopping the puck. But uncontested one-timers from the slot....you can expect the goalie to get lucky now and then, but you really can't expect him to make the save. You can expect the shooter to bury it.
5th line wingnutt Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Answering the main question... No.
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