HopefulFuture Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Posted November 4, 2011 Being set in your own ways doesn't mean you're right. And what exactly are we finding in this armor? :w00t: In no way am I advocating I my ways are right, atleast for others. My ways are right for myself, and I take into consideration just about everything before I formulate an opinion and convey it to others. But then again, telling me that being set in my ways doesn't mean you (or others with dissenting opinions) are right either. Time will bare out what the better course of action would have, should have or could have been. If, for example, they move Miller and get that sorely desired missing forward piece and Enroth handle's the work load, you won't see me here gloating, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, if they don't move Miller and never acheive success, you won't see my stating the "I told you all so" statements. I am merely putting my opinion out there for others to consider, just as I consider theirs. I have listened to all of the reasons for keeping Miller, and a majority of them are sound reasons with strong foundations to stand on. On the other hand, I, as a fan, am tired of the status quo results from him in those clutch games that could have made a difference. I want to see what Enroth can do in those situations. And on a bonus from that (in my opinion), if Enroth does well enough to garner that type of playing time, Miller is sure not to be happy, so moving him would be the natural recourse of action, and the sooner the better since his value is worth more the more time he has left on his contract, plus he's worth enough to garner some real center talent, and not just another line 2 center in my opinion. Miller in a package deal could bring sweet pivot position returns and Enroth can harness the netminding duties is what I firmly believe.
HopefulFuture Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Posted November 4, 2011 echo echo echo ec..... As a mod I would think you'd be beyond this. After all, aren't you suppose to lead by example in order to keep the boards somewhat orderly? Or is that selective in your case? Just asking.......
Tyrannustyrannus Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 just want to share http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7676696.page um you started that thread on EA, so I don't see how it's relevant or has any basis in truth
LGR4GM Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 In no way am I advocating I my ways are right, atleast for others. My ways are right for myself, and I take into consideration just about everything before I formulate an opinion and convey it to others. But then again, telling me that being set in my ways doesn't mean you (or others with dissenting opinions) are right either. Time will bare out what the better course of action would have, should have or could have been. If, for example, they move Miller and get that sorely desired missing forward piece and Enroth handle's the work load, you won't see me here gloating, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, if they don't move Miller and never acheive success, you won't see my stating the "I told you all so" statements. I am merely putting my opinion out there for others to consider, just as I consider theirs. I have listened to all of the reasons for keeping Miller, and a majority of them are sound reasons with strong foundations to stand on. On the other hand, I, as a fan, am tired of the status quo results from him in those clutch games that could have made a difference. I want to see what Enroth can do in those situations. And on a bonus from that (in my opinion), if Enroth does well enough to garner that type of playing time, Miller is sure not to be happy, so moving him would be the natural recourse of action, and the sooner the better since his value is worth more the more time he has left on his contract, plus he's worth enough to garner some real center talent, and not just another line 2 center in my opinion. Miller in a package deal could bring sweet pivot position returns and Enroth can harness the netminding duties is what I firmly believe. you have said this multiple times, STOP. You think Enroth should start some of us dont. End of discussion... we are now kicking a dead, festering, puddle, that once at some point about 10 pages ago resembled a dead horse.
LGR4GM Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 So, since so many of us fans on this board have an opinion one way or the other on the current goalie situation here in Buffalo, I thought it appropriate to start a thread on the pros and cons of where people stand on this.This is not a "HATE ON MILLER" or "HATE ON ENROTH" thread, this is merely to size up which side of the fence we fans sit on when it comes to our goaltending situation. Ryan Miller was a 5th round draft pick Ryan Miller has blown every must win scenario game he's played in Ryan Miller has won nothing at the professional level to date Ryan Miller is a slightly above average netminder Ryan Miller is not an elite goaltender, and no matter how often people say it, it doesn't make it true With that geing said I do believe Miller is an above average goaltender and at times, has played well for the Sabres He's just not a "big game" goalie, and probably never will be, no hate, just my honest opinion of him Jhonas Enroth was a 2nd round draft pick Jhonas Enroth looks ready to step in He is confident, he stated he wanted the starting position 3 seasons ago when he arrive in North America He looks comfortable out there and I noticed the team responds to his confidence when they play infront of him Although he doesn't have the NHL body of work to go off of, his AHL work was decent I'd like Enroth as the starting goaltender, and I'd like Miller traded to help bring in that elusive center help we so desperately need.I am not saying Miller is a bad goalie by any stretch, just that this team has a choice now and it needs a player of preceived star status to draw in another team to trade a center of this caliber. I'm not saying Miller will acquire Eric Staal or Sidney Crosby, I am merely saying we now have options, and Miller, in a package deal with a winger or D man could fetch a very handsome return indeed. And I'd be totally comfortable with Enroth as the starter at this point, after seeing him play some games. In short, Ryan Miller needs to be traded, stand alone or in a package deal for that elusive center help. There is nothing ripping about my comments on Miller as opposed to Enroth (for those attempting to state it).And there is nothing that says Enroth will do any better long term as well, it's merely my opinion.I am looking at all input on this subject from the fan base, so I'm not trying to be argumentative on it, just stating my opinion on it it all.You asked "What must win games has Miller lost?I submit the following list:Game 7 CarolinaGame 6 BostonGame 7 PhiladelphiaGold Medal Game, 2010 Olympics(and although not a must win game, a very high profile game that comes with its own pressures to perform) Winter ClassicHere's the season ending loss for the 07/08 season:http://espn.go.com/nhl/recap/_/id/280403010/buffalo-sabres-vs-montreal-canadiensIf your an elite goalie, you have to will the team to victory by your very performance.I am also looking at his career stats.Nothing outside of the Olympic season screams out elite goaltender here.$6.25 million for a slightly above average netminder who appears to choke in clutch situations is what I base my opinion on. You are merely speculating on the "incapable backup" hype. You, nor I, nor anyone for that matter would have knowledge of what they could or would do to address it. More fodder for the cannon, not something that is at the forefront of bettering this club. No reason to call my opinion a crusade, sometimes, the truth hurts. I happen to agree with much of this.But my opinion will not change. I would love it, quite honestly, if management used Miller to better the team and it's overall chances of Cup success.I'd like to see a real BALLSY move and stick Miller in a package or stand alone, whatever gets it done, to bring in a stud centerman.You want Lord Stanley's Cup Pegula? Then call the ball and make history happen.Just my opinion. When the resulting outcome is there for all to see and the events have already unfolded as such, you can state it as factual.In this case, it is within the context of Miller carrying this team through a "clutch game" performance.You are wrong in your statement, my opinion is that they should utilize Enroth and trade Miller.I am not of the opinion that Miller hasn't won "clutch games", that is just a fact that has materialized on it's own.I did however, state that this may change, but back to my opinion, I doubt it will. I don't believe in gray areas, only that which has occured. Well, if you view it as such, then that is your opinion and I respect that.But, it brings me back to my point that Enroth is as good as Miller (and will be better in those clutch games) and therefore Miller is the expendable piece given his age, body of work to date and the return he should bring that will undoubtedly help on the offensive side for this club. Thats the first 4 pages.... and to summarize all of this: "its your opinion" "You want miller traded" "You believe Enroth will be better in clutch situations" This last part I find beyond opinion... its in the realm of myth since Enroth has never ever played in a "clutch" game. Until that happens Miller is firmly entrenched for good reason as the number 1 starter... Next time dont repreat it for 11 pages, I understood your opinion after post 1.
sabresnutinphoenix Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Trade Miller...I know there are a few people who think that he is all that and a bag of chips, but come on...A lot of teams need a goalie and I am sure we can find a top line center for him...
LastPommerFan Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 ... Hasek had to go through a complete roster change over from when he first arrived. ... Miller did as well. you have said this multiple times, STOP. You think Enroth should start some of us dont. End of discussion... we are now kicking a dead, festering, puddle, that once at some point about 10 pages ago resembled a dead horse. This literally made me LOL. Thats the first 4 pages.... and to summarize all of this: "its your opinion" "You want miller traded" "You believe Enroth will be better in clutch situations" This last part I find beyond opinion... its in the realm of myth since Enroth has never ever played in a "clutch" game. Until that happens Miller is firmly entrenched for good reason as the number 1 starter... Next time dont repreat it for 11 pages, I understood you opinion after post 1. To be fair, I think I have about 25 posts in this thread continuing the conversation. If anyone wouldn't let it die it's me. But I will not stand for it. I will not.
darksabre Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Just to fuel the fire a bit, retweeted by Steve Shields this evening: EJ Hradek (@EJHradek_NHL) 11/3/11 12:49 PM My 2 cents on NSH/Renne signing: I would have wanted to get Suter & Weber done first. IMO, top goalies r easier to replace than elite Ds
Tyrannustyrannus Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 not to get all "Miller vs Hasek" but Hasek had 234 wins for the Sabres in 8 years, and Miller has 225 in 6 years and change. He will pass Hasek as the Sabres winningest goaltender this season. I will be looking on stubhub the night he starts with 234 wins. Just sayin.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 not to get all "Miller vs Hasek" but Hasek had 234 wins for the Sabres in 8 years, and Miller has 225 in 6 years and change. He will pass Hasek as the Sabres winningest goaltender this season. I will be looking on stubhub the night he starts with 234 wins. Just sayin. Dude you can't post anything positive about Miller, they will here you.................. :unsure:
qwksndmonster Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 In no way am I advocating I my ways are right, atleast for others. My ways are right for myself, and I take into consideration just about everything before I formulate an opinion and convey it to others. But then again, telling me that being set in my ways doesn't mean you (or others with dissenting opinions) are right either. Time will bare out what the better course of action would have, should have or could have been. If, for example, they move Miller and get that sorely desired missing forward piece and Enroth handle's the work load, you won't see me here gloating, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, if they don't move Miller and never acheive success, you won't see my stating the "I told you all so" statements. I am merely putting my opinion out there for others to consider, just as I consider theirs. I have listened to all of the reasons for keeping Miller, and a majority of them are sound reasons with strong foundations to stand on. On the other hand, I, as a fan, am tired of the status quo results from him in those clutch games that could have made a difference. I want to see what Enroth can do in those situations. And on a bonus from that (in my opinion), if Enroth does well enough to garner that type of playing time, Miller is sure not to be happy, so moving him would be the natural recourse of action, and the sooner the better since his value is worth more the more time he has left on his contract, plus he's worth enough to garner some real center talent, and not just another line 2 center in my opinion. Miller in a package deal could bring sweet pivot position returns and Enroth can harness the netminding duties is what I firmly believe. Uh... What?
... Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 I'd just like to point out that I have not participated in this thread. Carry on.
donteatyellowsnow Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 not to get all "Miller vs Hasek" but Hasek had 234 wins for the Sabres in 8 years, and Miller has 225 in 6 years and change. He will pass Hasek as the Sabres winningest goaltender this season. I will be looking on stubhub the night he starts with 234 wins. Just sayin. What iritates me about this thought process, is when the "TEAM" loses it's considered a team loss but when the "TEAM" wins Miller is the only one credited with the win. Gotta love the irrational Miller fans! I don't care how many wins Miller eventually ends up with, he is not, will not ever be anywhere near half as good as Hasek was on his worst of days!
RazielSabre Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Something just occured to me that made me laugh. We have the ultimate emotional goaltender, puts his heart into every game (early on in his career when he was lit up by detroit and cried after is a good example), then we have Enroth, cold, calm goalie. Not saying which is better, because both are good and bad but it just made me laugh :)
Mike Oxhurtz Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Until Miller can get his head out of his ass and play better hockey, Enroth should start. Miller has always been a head case (and overrated!!)
LastPommerFan Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Until Miller can get his head out of his ass and play better hockey, Enroth should start. Miller has always been a head case (and overrated!!) Antibiotics or a steroidal anti inflammatory cream could probably help with York Oxpayne.
Mike Oxhurtz Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Antibiotics or a steroidal anti inflammatory cream could probably help with York Oxpayne. Thanks Doc! :thumbsup:
korab rules Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 This abomination of a thread should have been aborted and sent to a dog food cannery. Sorry, Crosscheck.
Samson's Flow Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Antibiotics or a steroidal anti inflammatory cream could probably help with York Oxpayne. :lol: That was a good one...
shrader Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 This abomination of a thread should have been aborted and sent to a dog food cannery. Sorry, Crosscheck. I still stand by my thoughts that only he can save us now. It's just my opinion but it's definitely fact.
korab rules Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 I still stand by my thoughts that only he can save us now. It's just my opinion but it's definitely fact.
korab rules Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 I still stand by my thoughts that only he can save us now. It's just my opinion but it's definitely fact.
korab rules Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 I still stand by my thoughts that only he can save us now. It's just my opinion but it's definitely fact.
korab rules Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 I still stand by my thoughts that only he can save us now. It's just my opinion but it's definitely fact.
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