HopefulFuture Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Given the situation Phoenix and Turris find themselves in, would it be beneficial to acquire him? I am looking at it from a few angles, not least of which is center depth, but also in the realm of a young Centerman with some speed playing with veteran wingers such as Vanek, Pominville, Boyes and Stafford. I am not advocating youth is needed here, just looking to know thoughts on this and whether or not a majority of the fans here have taken note of his situation and have weighed in on it. I am not familiar with Turris as a player beyond the professional level, so I am going to rely on many of you to fill in the holes on his pros and cons. Thanks.
FolignosJock Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 I havent seen him play in a while but I think if the price is right you definately do it.
Lanny Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 If you're Phoenix he was too high of a pick and too much of an investment to just give him away. His $2.7M cap hit may also be constrictive.
spndnchz Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 If you're Phoenix he was too high of a pick and too much of an investment to just give him away. His $2.7M cap hit may also be constrictive. With his numbers he's not worth anywhere near what he got in Phoenix. He's a RFA now. He needs to be signed by Dec 1st to play this year.
Lanny Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 With his numbers he's not worth anywhere near what he got in Phoenix. He's a RFA now. He needs to be signed by Dec 1st to play this year. If he were to get traded and then signed his tender wouldn't his salary then be the $2.7M?
Weave Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 If it's me pulling the trigger I wanna know, I mean know, where this kid's head is at before I attempt to pick him up. The bells are going off, and they are ringing "bust".
spndnchz Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 If he were to get traded and then signed his tender wouldn't his salary then be the $2.7M? His salary cap included a big performance bonus. His salary was only around 800,000. With a 105% he'd be under 1 million.
LGR4GM Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 He sounds like a head case and a brat so idk if you want a guy that would rather sit out than play for a team... I'd rather have a player who can't stand the thought of sitting out and would play for anyone just to be in the game.
Lanny Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 His salary cap included a big performance bonus. His salary was only around 800,000. With a 105% he'd be under 1 million. gotcha, thanks.
LabattBlue Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 A. He is an idiot B. His agent is an idiot C. Both A & B
Eleven Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 I will say that I don't blame him at all for not wanting to play in Phoenix anymore. Whether he'd fit here, I have no idea.
nfreeman Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 I havent seen him play in a while but I think if the price is right you definately do it. Not trying to be argumentative, but isn't this true of ANY potential trade? He sounds like a head case and a brat so idk if you want a guy that would rather sit out than play for a team... I'd rather have a player who can't stand the thought of sitting out and would play for anyone just to be in the game. A. He is an idiot B. His agent is an idiot C. Both A & B I agree with both of these. I will say that I don't blame him at all for not wanting to play in Phoenix anymore. Whether he'd fit here, I have no idea. Isn't it a money issue from Turris' perspective as opposed to playing in Phoenix though?
Weave Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Isn't it a money issue from Turris' perspective as opposed to playing in Phoenix though? The internet chatter I've seen suggests that he is asking for big dollars to force the trade, that he'll accept less for another team. For whatever that's worth......
korab rules Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Not trying to be argumentative, but isn't this true of ANY potential trade? I agree with both of these. Isn't it a money issue from Turris' perspective as opposed to playing in Phoenix though? I don't know enough about Turris to know whether he would fit in here but holding out has to make him less attractive to other teams, not more. If he's doing it to P-nix, he'll do it to anyone else whenever he doesn't get his way. Who is his agent, Rosenhouse? I would be against bringing him in simply because of the hold out - that is not the team attitude we are trying to develop here.
Weave Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 I would be against bringing him in simply because of the hold out - that is not the team attitude we are trying to develop here. Devil's advocate here but the reason we got LaFontaine was because he was holding out on the Islanders. And he was the ultimate team guy while he was here. Like I said upthread, I'd want to know where his head is at before working a deal.
HopefulFuture Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Posted November 2, 2011 Learning as I go on him, and many of you have educated me today. Thanks for everyone who gives input on this. I myself wasn't sure where his skill level or value was. I've only seen him in like a game or 2 at most. Given the early on responses, I'd say he hasn't shown alot of character to date, but I'd like to know if anyone can comment on his skill sets and where they'd fit in here, if it all. Thanks again.
RazielSabre Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Devil's advocate here but the reason we got LaFontaine was because he was holding out on the Islanders. And he was the ultimate team guy while he was here. Like I said upthread, I'd want to know where his head is at before working a deal. There is that aspect to it, his stated he doesnt like phoenix and doesnt want to play there, Lindros was happy everywhere other than Quebec I think as well. EDIT: I voted no.
Matty Ice Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Learning as I go on him, and many of you have educated me today. Thanks for everyone who gives input on this. I myself wasn't sure where his skill level or value was. I've only seen him in like a game or 2 at most. Given the early on responses, I'd say he hasn't shown alot of character to date, but I'd like to know if anyone can comment on his skill sets and where they'd fit in here, if it all. Thanks again. I have been kind of following this story a little bit, and have wondered the same thing. Less so now with the emergence of Adam. However, I guess you can never have enough center depth. Turris skates and handles the puck well. He also has a fairly accurate shot. But as others have mentioned, he is a bit of a head case, and his production hasn't quite met the hype. I'd maybe like Darcy to inquire. We did fleece Phoenix a couple of years ago for another under-performing center.
IKnowPhysics Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 I watched Turris when he was a Badger (for a year), he looked good. Haven't really watched him in PHX, but I figured he either got limited opportunities or started to sandbag out a little (despite his talent). Article from the Ottawa Citizen (via Van Sun) explains the situation. Sounds like he or his agent is looking for a payday based on his potential, not his achievement. Perhaps Turris [3rd overall pick in 2007] is gauging his status by those who were chosen ahead of him in the 2007 draft: Patrick Kane and James Van Riemsdyk. Kane is making $6.3 million per year on his new contract. After Van Riemsdyk's initial deal expires at the end of this season, he'll make $4.25 million every year until 2018. Getting paid for potential rather than achievement puts him in Tim Connolly country for me, even though he's not injured. Maybe if he goes to Calgary (who's screaming for him from PHX), plays well, and gets a new agent, we can fleece Calgary for him in a couple years.
Two or less Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 A. He is an idiot B. His agent is an idiot C. Both A & B Why?
LabattBlue Posted November 2, 2011 Report Posted November 2, 2011 Why? Ummmmm...maybe it has something to do with a player who has accomplished little as an NHL player, but is holding out for a new contract. How many NHL players besides Turris are holding out? :doh:
LGR4GM Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 Ummmmm...maybe it has something to do with a player who has accomplished little as an NHL player, but is holding out for a new contract. How many NHL players besides Turris are holding out? :doh: We don't agree to often but yea, this is what I have been thinking. His measly 46pts in 131 games does not equal some new/awesome contract and him holding out like some superstar makes me (pretending to be a gm) in no way, want him anywhere near my locker room which I think has some character issues as is. Edit: Does anyone know why Turris missed the 2009-10 season?
Eleven Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 The internet chatter I've seen suggests that he is asking for big dollars to force the trade, that he'll accept less for another team. For whatever that's worth...... Yeah, I've seen a lot of that, too, and GR has reported that he simply doesn't want to be in the desert anymore. We don't agree to often but yea, this is what I have been thinking. His measly 46pts in 131 games does not equal some new/awesome contract and him holding out like some superstar makes me (pretending to be a gm) in no way, want him anywhere near my locker room which I think has some character issues as is. Edit: Does anyone know why Turris missed the 2009-10 season? He was on a Rampage that year.
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