Warriorspikes51 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 This is starting to happen every other game to teams consistently LEAGUE WIDE. Refs are going out of their way late in 3rd periods to make sure they factor into outcomes of games. For the amount of $$$$ fans put into games, they deserve a better production. The Refs can't be bothered to explain ANY goal or no goal decisions despite being mic'ed up and they ROUTINELY find ways to ruin the flow of games and swing the tide for whoever they choose at the worst possible times. Things that are let go all game are generally randomly called in 3rd periods. Also, if there isn't enough evidence to over-turn the call then WHY IS TORONTO MAKING THE DECISION. Horrendous. I'm so sick of this. :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:
SwampD Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 As much as I hated Terry Frazier, he would have NEVER given Stafford that penalty after the boarding. Too many, young, corporate faces in the reffing ranks for me this season.
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Posted October 30, 2011 As much as I hated Terry Frazier, he would have NEVER given Stafford that penalty after the boarding. Too many, young, corporate faces in the reffing ranks for me this season. The trip on Gerbe was inexcusable. The ref was RIGHT THERE and could tell Gerbe didn't touch the guy. Then to give him an unsportsmanlike???? REALLY???
zow2 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 The double minor was bogus at the end but the Sabres still can't lose in regulation with a 2-1 lead late. I thought Ellis did kick it. good call. If he didn't swipe his skate after he re-directed it would not have been disallowed but it looked like he kicked it to me.
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Posted October 30, 2011 The double minor was bogus at the end but the Sabres still can't lose in regulation with a 2-1 lead late. I thought Ellis did kick it. good call. If he didn't swipe his skate after he re-directed it would not have been disallowed but it looked like he kicked it to me. Even if he kicked it, it hit his other skate and Theodore before going in....
SwampD Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 The double minor was bogus at the end but the Sabres still can't lose in regulation with a 2-1 lead late. I thought Ellis did kick it. good call. If he didn't swipe his skate after he re-directed it would not have been disallowed but it looked like he kicked it to me. You're wrong. The kicking motion was not the reason it went into the net.
HopefulFuture Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Please do not blame officiating on this loss, or any other for that matter. Executing successful scoring chances more than your opponent wins games, plain and simple. The Florida Panthers were, without even a doubt, the better team tonight. It's still early in the season, but I'm very concerned over the lack of hustle, puck control, passing ability and chemistry on this club. Very concerned indeed.
SwampD Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Please do not blame officiating on this loss, or any other for that matter. Executing successful scoring chances more than your opponent wins games, plain and simple. The Florida Panthers were, without even a doubt, the better team tonight. It's still early in the season, but I'm very concerned over the lack of hustle, puck control, passing ability and chemistry on this club. Very concerned indeed. This is just dumb.
pkwwjd Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Please do not blame officiating on this loss, or any other for that matter. Executing successful scoring chances more than your opponent wins games, plain and simple. The Florida Panthers were, without even a doubt, the better team tonight. It's still early in the season, but I'm very concerned over the lack of hustle, puck control, passing ability and chemistry on this club. Very concerned indeed. So when Gerbe gets a penalty for hustling to the puck when we should have had a 3 minute non-releasable power play ... The blame doesnt lay at the feet of the official? I know, we need to play well enough so that the stripes dont affect the outcome of the game ... That is a great platitude in utopia, not in the real world.
HopefulFuture Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 So when Gerbe gets a penalty for hustling to the puck when we should have had a 3 minute non-releasable power play ... The blame doesnt lay at the feet of the official? I know, we need to play well enough so that the stripes dont affect the outcome of the game ... That is a great platitude in utopia, not in the real world. Runner ups find excuses, winners just get it done.....
HopefulFuture Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 This is just dumb. Opinions are like *******, they do vary...... :rolleyes:
pkwwjd Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Runner ups find excuses, winners just get it done..... Another pointless platitude ... Do you live in cliches or are you able to process what you see?
... Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 If you score goals, you take the refs out of the equation. The Sabres should have easily won this despite the calls.
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 if Enroth was in net, the refs would have got all of the calls correctly
HopefulFuture Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 If you score goals, you take the refs out of the equation. The Sabres should have easily won this despite the calls. Completely agree, without question. Execution and finishing are the results desired. But you said it better :thumbsup:
TheMatrix31 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Didn't get to watch tonight's game so I'm not speaking on tonight specifically, but the general idea that the players are always supposed to overcome referee mistakes or other things like that is straight up, unadulterated, utopian ######.
SwampD Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Opinions are like *******, they do vary...... :rolleyes: The problem I have with your opinion is that accepts bad officiating, which it was. We pay too much money to deserve this. Any way you want to spin it, the officiating tonight was terrible and we deserve better.
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 If you score goals, you take the refs out of the equation. The Sabres should have easily won this despite the calls. In a perfect world you are correct, unless of course the refs start blowing calls on the goals and disallowing them
... Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Didn't get to watch tonight's game so I'm not speaking on tonight specifically, but the general idea that the players are always supposed to overcome referee mistakes or other things like that is straight up, unadulgeleterated, utopian ######. You mean you think 2 goals against the Panthers should be enough to win? Or zero goals against The Lightning should be enough to win? Okay, I guess I buy that! :beer:
SwampD Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Completely agree, without question. Execution and finishing are the results desired. But you said it better :thumbsup: If only we were better, then we'd be better.
TheMatrix31 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 You mean you think 2 goals against the Panthers should be enough to win? Or zero goals against The Lightning should be enough to win? Okay, I guess I buy that! :beer: Obviously you missed the part about me saying I didn't watch tonight's game and was just speaking on the general idea. Perhaps in your blind rage of sarcasm you might find the time to take a break and re-read what I wrote.
HopefulFuture Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Didn't get to watch tonight's game so I'm not speaking on tonight specifically, but the general idea that the players are always supposed to overcome referee mistakes or other things like that is straight up, unadulgeleterated, utopian ######. Well then, let's simplify the equation for you and others like you. If the Sabres were to execute the way a winning team does (Jeez, I know it's a hard concetp to accept, but don't let this little expectation of some fans stand in your opinions way :blink: ) any calls made in the last 10 minutes should be a moot point. But then again, oh, that's right, the forwards (and most of the D for that matter) haven't really executed in a consistent matter this season as of yet. I guess all of the "INCONSISTANCIES" in this regard fall on poor officiating or some other excuse that will, I am more than sure, abridge itself to the collective thoughts of many fans. But in reality, it all still lay with the players on the roster on their ability to overcome such adversity...... Like you propose, don't let a little thing like reality step in the way........ :rolleyes:
... Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 The problem I have with your opinion is that accepts bad officiating, which it was. We pay too much money to deserve this. Any way you want to spin it, the officiating tonight was terrible and we deserve better. FWIW, I totally agree with you on this point. However, I think in a lot of "ref wins game for them" scenarios, it's a matter of a goal - and these scenarios, like tonight where it's blatant, are rare. Overall, the Sabres problems simply can't be accounted for by the quality of the officiating. Each team suffers the same type of calls. Unless you're saying there's some sort of NHL Official vendetta against the Sabres specifically...
HopefulFuture Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 If only we were better, then we'd be better. True that. (I think my son says that, if it's incorrect, then I'm fully prepared to take my post post verbal beating) :thumbsup: Some nights your the bug, some nights your the windshield........or something along those lines I'm not to concerned this early in the season, although the home record is a bit distressing given the points wasted. To be honest Swamp, I'm merely looking for some corrective action via coaching, or, if necessary, via the trade market if it can be accomplished, but later down the line. It's going to take a bit for the new guys to mesh in, but that's still no excuse for the lack luster display of puck control and passing is a part of that.... I hope we can agree on this atleast............... :unsure:
pkwwjd Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Completely agree, without question. Execution and finishing are the results desired. But you said it better :thumbsup: I agree with this ... We should desire that we outplay a team enough so that the refs aren't an issue, but desire doesn't make it so. Just because that is the desired result doesn't mean that we can't have a discussion about the officiating and that it significantly impacted the results ... Do blame the refs for the loss? No, we had the opportunity to stop all 3 goals tonight. Did the call against Gerbe impact the end of the game? Absolutely ... The idea that officials want to not affect the outcome of a game is a fallacy. In the NHL, generally they don't want to affect the outcome by swallowing their whistles in the playoffs. That actually has the opposite effect. Tonight was the other side of the argument. The official made a call when he shouldn't have.
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