... Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 This. All of it. I hate the fact that I can't go to a game, after paying a ton of money, and be raucous. I want to be in the experience, not watching it go by. This seems to be what HSBC crowds want to do. It's no wonder Bandits crowds are better. The tickets are cheap enough for blue collar fans to afford. Blue collar fans spend their money and want every cent worth. That's why they're louder and more animated. I always feel like I leave Sabres games having been robbed blind, because the experience is...well...sanitized and boring. What is stopping you from being "in the experience" at a Sabres game? Just yourself. There are plenty of people at games yelling things and starting chants. You can do that, too, if you want. I suppose Chet and Muffy were the ones who took away the blue collar jobs - just so they can have peace and quiet at Sabres games.
Weave Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 I suppose Chet and Muffy were the ones who took away the blue collar jobs - just so they can have peace and quiet at Sabres games. They took our jobs !! I think we need to start an Occupy First Niagara Place event. WE ARE THE 99% FANS !!!
dEnnis the Menace Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 They took our jobs !! I think we need to start an Occupy First Niagara Place event. WE ARE THE 99% FANS !!! :w00t: :w00t: you sir, owe me a new keyboard... :clapping:
LastPommerFan Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 This. All of it. I hate the fact that I can't go to a game, after paying a ton of money, and be raucous. I want to be in the experience, not watching it go by. This seems to be what HSBC crowds want to do. It's no wonder Bandits crowds are better. The tickets are cheap enough for blue collar fans to afford. Blue collar fans spend their money and want every cent worth. That's why they're louder and more animated. I always feel like I leave Sabres games having been robbed blind, because the experience is...well...sanitized and boring. I agree with Sizzle below. I will grant that I don't get to many home games anymore being out of town, but I have never been to a game where I was uncomfortable being loud and rowdy. I'm usually the guy starting a un-queued "Let's Go Buffalo" chants, Slow Last name of Opposing Goalie chants, and if it's a blowout the goal counting, and if it's a playoff series clinching blowout "It's all Ov-er" chants. Thant's my personality, usually the people around me join in pretty quick. But I exclusively sit in the 300 section, so maybe that's the last bastion of Blue Collar People. People may just need some new Cheer Leaders. You should give it a try. What is stopping you from being "in the experience" at a Sabres game? Just yourself. There are plenty of people at games yelling things and starting chants. You can do that, too, if you want. I suppose Chet and Muffy were the ones who took away the blue collar jobs - just so they can have peace and quiet at Sabres games. They took our jobs !! I think we need to start an Occupy First Niagara Place event. WE ARE THE 99% FANS !!! This is actually a terrific Idea for the Playoffs. (After the city thaws out.)
samothyev Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Why do some of you people hate on the Buffalo crowds at Sabres games? Why do you equate fan-dom with crowd noise/activity? Why is it important to you that the crowds act like obnoxious fools, and when they don't, then you hate on them? I've been going to Sabres games since I was a kid. Since I can remember, I don't recall Buffalo crowds ever getting outrageous like European crowds. I don't go to games to act stupid, I go to games to see the things in the game I can't see/hear/experience with TV feeds. At home, when I watch games, I WATCH games. I do not like to chit-chat with people in the room, except, of course, during TV time outs. When they score, I usually yell, put my arms up, and yammer about the play, then I'm back to watching the game intently. I am no different at games. Does that make me a bad man to you; a poor example of a Sabres fan? I'm a musician; been playing in front of people since I was a teenager. When I go to concerts, I like to watch and listen, not fight jerks who are there to get obnoxious, or dance around like a fool. Just like I like to LISTEN to music like people watch movies; it's not background, or ambiance, rather it's the primary focus. I study it and pay attention like old-skool audiences from the early 60's and earlier. Used to be, and it is still true for a lot of bands, that the music is supposed to be focus, not the "party" in the audience, and a lot of musicians find attention-deprived audiences offensive. Unless you're talking about mind-less, shallow music that is built around the idea of an attention-deprived audience, which, of course, only serves to distract from the fact that the music is mind-less, shallow, and of poor quality. Back to the Sabres, when I'm at games, I notice the "dead" crowds are very similar to me - they WATCH the games. They're following the play, judging what's going on, reacting to stupid things, laughing or otherwise enjoying good play. They stand up and cheer during fights and goals, bitch and moan for bad calls. The crowds aren't stupid - the Sabres aren't brilliant enough to warrant the excited agitation of a crowd for an entire game. They blew the last two games with Tampa, after all. I don't get this crowd noise = fan-dom equation. If the crowds were raucous for an entire game, for no reason other than to "party on", then I wouldn't go - and I'm sure a lot of other people wouldn't, either. So we have fans who are remembering the playoff atmosphere we enjoyed for the 1st round last year and with this past summers acquisitions... are automatically looking for the same. I bet FNC won't be like that come February!
Matty Ice Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Chet and Muffy is a euphemism for what the crowd changed into when the team moved out of the Aud. The Aud seemed to have a very blue collar crowd. Very vocal. Very quick to get on the refs and opposing team. And for most of it's time you could even purchase standing room only seats for cheap. There weren't any waiters, the food choices were basic, the beer vendors plentiful. There were few amenities. When the Sabres moved into their new digs the prices went up considerably and so did the amenities. And the arena staff seemed to frown on the emotional exchanges that you heard in the Aud. And the crowd changed. It seemed like the Sabres were gearing their games to a more upper middle class, bring the kids along type of customer. Chet and Muffy refers to the wine and cheese crowd that showed up kids in tow that seemed to start outnumbering the blue collar types that were in the great majority at the Aud. GREAT post, this nails it on the head. This. All of it. I hate the fact that I can't go to a game, after paying a ton of money, and be raucous. I want to be in the experience, not watching it go by. This seems to be what HSBC crowds want to do. It's no wonder Bandits crowds are better. The tickets are cheap enough for blue collar fans to afford. Blue collar fans spend their money and want every cent worth. That's why they're louder and more animated. I always feel like I leave Sabres games having been robbed blind, because the experience is...well...sanitized and boring. Couldn't agree more. We do pay a ton of money to go to these games. For me, I have a mortgage, two jobs, and am planning a wedding. The games my fiance and I go to give us a chance to get out of our house, and away from the normal grind of the average day to day. It's our night out so to speak. I pay for the experience. For me, the experience includes several beers, a chance to scream until I lose my voice, in addition to watching our beloved Sabres. Every game we do not go to, we end up with 8-12 die hard Sabres fans in our living room, hootin' and hollerin'. (I live in Henrietta, for all you Rochester fans that need a place to watch a game, lemme know! We'd love to have you. Fridge is always filled with Beer, and the grill is always running.) Game nights in my living room have more energy than the FNC. It's sad really. I have been going to games for 20+ years, and every year, the crowd gets less noisy, and more stuffy. Will I stop going to games? Absolutely not, its been a tradition since I was a kid. Does a little part of me cry inside when I see fans in Carolina get behind their team more than we do?.... definitely. What is stopping you from being "in the experience" at a Sabres game? Just yourself. There are plenty of people at games yelling things and starting chants. You can do that, too, if you want. I suppose Chet and Muffy were the ones who took away the blue collar jobs - just so they can have peace and quiet at Sabres games. There really isn't, at least not compared to what there used to be.
Derrico Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 I feel like the crowd is very much part of the game and point to the fact that on average more teams win at home than on the road. Also, I agree with anyone who said they would take a quiet fan over a drunken roudy fan. But come on, you don't have to be drunk and obnoxious to make a little noise there. Being in the T.O. market I watch more Leaf games than i care to and there are usually two or three Go Leafs Go chants per period and you can almost feel like the crowd shifted momentum if only for a couple of minutes. It's just frusterating to hear a visiting teams announcers sound surprised at how quiet our building is. This isn't classical music or the movies, this is a professional sports team who most definetly wants the fans to be loud and back them.
Derrico Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 GREAT post, this nails it on the head. Couldn't agree more. We do pay a ton of money to go to these games. For me, I have a mortgage, two jobs, and am planning a wedding. The games my fiance and I go to give us a chance to get out of our house, and away from the normal grind of the average day to day. It's our night out so to speak. I pay for the experience. For me, the experience includes several beers, a chance to scream until I lose my voice, in addition to watching our beloved Sabres. Every game we do not go to, we end up with 8-12 die hard Sabres fans in our living room, hootin' and hollerin'. (I live in Henrietta, for all you Rochester fans that need a place to watch a game, lemme know! We'd love to have you. Fridge is always filled with Beer, and the grill is always running.) Game nights in my living room have more energy than the FNC. It's sad really. I have been going to games for 20+ years, and every year, the crowd gets less noisy, and more stuffy. Will I stop going to games? Absolutely not, its been a tradition since I was a kid. Does a little part of me cry inside when I see fans in Carolina get behind their team more than we do?.... definitely. There really isn't, at least not compared to what there used to be. My Lord I wish I lived in Rochester!! Feels like my uncle and myself against the world over here in 'leaf nation'.
... Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 So we have fans who are remembering the playoff atmosphere we enjoyed for the 1st round last year and with this past summers acquisitions... are automatically looking for the same. I bet FNC won't be like that come February! You miss the point. Frankly, there is a tacit classism with these fan criticisms that is terribly distasteful. So, "blue collar" fans make for a better atmosphere? That means drunk people with limited education and short attention spans make a better sporting event? Oh, it hurts, doesn't it. And these poor, blue collar people, had their sporting experience robbed by the "Chet and Muffy" types, just like their 401-Ks have been gutted by the same, faceless greedy people. And the college-educated, effete white-collar fans, with their snotty, spoiled children in tow, simply can not appreciate a sport like the disaffected, blue-collar "working stiff". Clearly, there is NO WAY the team is responsible, at all, for how the crowd responds. The crowd is expected to act like crazy, voodoo-stricken folk regardless of the product on the ice.
Derrico Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 You miss the point. Frankly, there is a tacit classism with these fan criticisms that is terribly distasteful. So, "blue collar" fans make for a better atmosphere? That means drunk people with limited education and short attention spans make a better sporting event? Oh, it hurts, doesn't it. And these poor, blue collar people, had their sporting experience robbed by the "Chet and Muffy" types, just like their 401-Ks have been gutted by the same, faceless greedy people. And the college-educated, effete white-collar fans, with their snotty, spoiled children in tow, simply can not appreciate a sport like the disaffected, blue-collar "working stiff". Clearly, there is NO WAY the team is responsible, at all, for how the crowd responds. The crowd is expected to act like crazy, voodoo-stricken folk regardless of the product on the ice. We're 6-3!! The product isn't that bad.
... Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 We're 6-3!! The product isn't that bad. First home win of the season just last night. Last four seasons or so they have been consistently disappointing at home. But I understand that we simply can't blame the team, other than being too obvious, it's too cruel.
SwampD Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Why do some of you people hate on the Buffalo crowds at Sabres games? Why do you equate fan-dom with crowd noise/activity? Why is it important to you that the crowds act like obnoxious fools, and when they don't, then you hate on them? I've been going to Sabres games since I was a kid. Since I can remember, I don't recall Buffalo crowds ever getting outrageous like European crowds. I don't go to games to act stupid, I go to games to see the things in the game I can't see/hear/experience with TV feeds. At home, when I watch games, I WATCH games. I do not like to chit-chat with people in the room, except, of course, during TV time outs. When they score, I usually yell, put my arms up, and yammer about the play, then I'm back to watching the game intently. I am no different at games. Does that make me a bad man to you; a poor example of a Sabres fan? I'm a musician; been playing in front of people since I was a teenager. When I go to concerts, I like to watch and listen, not fight jerks who are there to get obnoxious, or dance around like a fool. Just like I like to LISTEN to music like people watch movies; it's not background, or ambiance, rather it's the primary focus. I study it and pay attention like old-skool audiences from the early 60's and earlier. Used to be, and it is still true for a lot of bands, that the music is supposed to be focus, not the "party" in the audience, and a lot of musicians find attention-deprived audiences offensive. Unless you're talking about mind-less, shallow music that is built around the idea of an attention-deprived audience, which, of course, only serves to distract from the fact that the music is mind-less, shallow, and of poor quality. Back to the Sabres, when I'm at games, I notice the "dead" crowds are very similar to me - they WATCH the games. They're following the play, judging what's going on, reacting to stupid things, laughing or otherwise enjoying good play. They stand up and cheer during fights and goals, bitch and moan for bad calls. The crowds aren't stupid - the Sabres aren't brilliant enough to warrant the excited agitation of a crowd for an entire game. They blew the last two games with Tampa, after all. I don't get this crowd noise = fan-dom equation. If the crowds were raucous for an entire game, for no reason other than to "party on", then I wouldn't go - and I'm sure a lot of other people wouldn't, either. As a performer, don't you play better and feed off the energy of the croud? I know I do. That should be reason enough to try and help your team out by being loud. If I'm going to a concert in an arena, I'm going for that experience. If I want to hear music, I'm going to a club.
dEnnis the Menace Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 First home win of the season just last night. Last four seasons or so they have been consistently disappointing at home. But I understand that we simply can't blame the team, other than being too obvious, it's too cruel. when did someone say that? I've been saying cheer or jeer...the team needs to held accountable one way or the other. Being complacent and quiet does nothing for the team, or for the experience. Frankly I hate the wave and drunk obnoxious fans, and we're not asking people to be "those people". We're just asking for a little more energy out of the crowd. The crowd is more than its right to boo the team after a HORRIBLE period, or cheer after they've done something amazing. I'm talking about trying to get the building's energy rockin in the time between...to hopefully prevent the former from happening. Thank you Weave for explaining the chet and muffy thing, and that makes more sense now (forgot to thank you before). :thumbsup:
LastPommerFan Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 You miss the point. Frankly, there is a tacit classism with these fan criticisms that is terribly distasteful. So, "blue collar" fans make for a better atmosphere? That means drunk people with limited education and short attention spans make a better sporting event? Oh, it hurts, doesn't it. Yes. Maybe not to your extent, but I'll bet my white collar educated paycheck that if we could find a way to judge who is having more fun at an event, It would be people similar to what you have described. (minus the attention span insult) And these poor, blue collar people, had their sporting experience robbed by the "Chet and Muffy" types, just like their 401-Ks have been gutted by the same, faceless greedy people. Yes, facilitated by Corporate Chet and Muffy owners who are now in jail for doing the same (I guess they are not so faceless) And the college-educated, effete white-collar fans, with their snotty, spoiled children in tow, simply can not appreciate a sport like the disaffected, blue-collar "working stiff". No, but the ones that do are usually the ones who connect with a blue collar culture. Like myself. Clearly, there is NO WAY the team is responsible, at all, for how the crowd responds. The crowd is expected to act like crazy, voodoo-stricken folk regardless of the product on the ice. The crowds at the Bengals games here in Cincinnati have been absolute proof that a crap product on the field for a few decades does not preclude rowdy, fun-loving fans from being a part of the game rather than just spectators.
dEnnis the Menace Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Yes. Maybe not to your extent, but I'll bet my white collar educated paycheck that if we could find a way to judge who is having more fun at an event, It would be people similar to what you have described. (minus the attention span insult) Yes, facilitated by Corporate Chet and Muffy owners who are now in jail for doing the same (I guess they are not so faceless) No, but the ones that do are usually the ones who connect with a blue collar culture. Like myself. The crowds at the Bengals games here in Cincinnati have been absolute proof that a crap product on the field for a few decades does not preclude rowdy, fun-loving fans from being a part of the game rather than just spectators. +1 :thumbsup: Well said sir!
Matty Ice Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 You miss the point. Frankly, there is a tacit classism with these fan criticisms that is terribly distasteful. So, "blue collar" fans make for a better atmosphere? That means drunk people with limited education and short attention spans make a better sporting event? Oh, it hurts, doesn't it. And these poor, blue collar people, had their sporting experience robbed by the "Chet and Muffy" types, just like their 401-Ks have been gutted by the same, faceless greedy people. And the college-educated, effete white-collar fans, with their snotty, spoiled children in tow, simply can not appreciate a sport like the disaffected, blue-collar "working stiff". Clearly, there is NO WAY the team is responsible, at all, for how the crowd responds. The crowd is expected to act like crazy, voodoo-stricken folk regardless of the product on the ice. With all due respect, I think you are missing the point, or at least you're promoting terribly distasteful, tacit classism with your remarks. Maybe I am interperting your post wrong, and if I am, I do apologize. But the whole post is underlined with a condecending tone. It seems that the posters who are in favor of a louder atmosphere, are mostly just saying that it improves the experience. I don't think any of us have anything against Chet and Muffy, or white collar workers. We are talking hockey. Nothing more, nothing less. First home win of the season just last night. Last four seasons or so they have been consistently disappointing at home. But I understand that we simply can't blame the team, other than being too obvious, it's too cruel. Why should we blame the team, or the organization? The Sabres are competitive more years than not. We are always in the playoff hunt. Our front office just went out and spent a ton of money to improve the product on the ice. This season was arguably the most anticipated season in.... well, forever. If anything, the product on the ice should give us reason to cheer, be happy, and have a good time.
... Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 With all due respect, I think you are missing the point, or at least you're promoting terribly distasteful, tacit classism with your remarks. Maybe I am interperting your post wrong, and if I am, I do apologize. But the whole post is underlined with a condecending tone. It seems that the posters who are in favor of a louder atmosphere, are mostly just saying that it improves the experience. I don't think any of us have anything against Chet and Muffy, or white collar workers. We are talking hockey. Nothing more, nothing less. I am doing the promoting? May I remind you that I was not the first one to introduce the labels "blue collar" or "Chet and Muffy" in this thread. I doubt the latter is being used with the same level of respect as the former. I'm not the one who said they feel like their experience was "robbed" from them after the crowd "changed" into "them". And this is not the only thread where this has been discussed. This topic is old, and the terms were not defined by me. For you to say "we are talking hockey" is a bit over-zealous and distracting. You may think YOU are only talking hockey, but when we discuss the crowds, whether you want to believe it or not, you are talking about more than hockey. Also, how can you possibly claim to speak for "we", whoever "we" are? And "us" - "I don't think any of us have anything against Chet and Muffy" - who is "us"? When did you become their attorney? I suggest you speak for yourself, because it's pretty clear some of "us" do indeed have a problem with Chet and Muffy. Why should we blame the team, or the organization? The Sabres are competitive more years than not. We are always in the playoff hunt. Our front office just went out and spent a ton of money to improve the product on the ice. This season was arguably the most anticipated season in.... well, forever. If anything, the product on the ice should give us reason to cheer, be happy, and have a good time. I don't know, do we go and see movies that get bad reviews just to support the production company? I sure don't. It's still a somewhat free country, I guess you can go see bad movies all you want. And buy crappy products from companies that rely on their reputation, like Sony. I'm not saying the team is bad overall, mind you, but I am saying the HOME product has been more consistently poor than not.
... Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 As a performer, don't you play better and feed off the energy of the croud? I know I do. That should be reason enough to try and help your team out by being loud. If I'm going to a concert in an arena, I'm going for that experience. If I want to hear music, I'm going to a club. I think jazz acts, concert pianists, and orchestras would prefer you keep it down during the performance, among many, many others. You assume there is a limited scope of music, and only one way to enjoy it.
Matty Ice Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 I am doing the promoting? May I remind you that I was not the first one to introduce the labels "blue collar" or "Chet and Muffy" in this thread. I doubt the latter is being used with the same level of respect as the former. My point was that you seemed to take offense to the classism in this thread. Yet you turn around and post classist insults. I'm not the one who said they feel like their experience was "robbed" from them after the crowd "changed" into "them". And this is not the only thread where this has been discussed. This topic is old, and the terms were not defined by me. For you to say "we are talking hockey" is a bit over-zealous and distracting. You may think YOU are only talking hockey, but when we discuss the crowds, whether you want to believe it or not, you are talking about more than hockey. Also, how can you possibly claim to speak for "we", whoever "we" are? I apologize. Let me clarify, when I say said Hockey, I was including the Hockey atmosphere. I did phrase that poorly. However, I never claimed to speak for the masses. Terms such as we and us, were used to reflect similar opinion throughout this thread. And "us" - "I don't think any of us have anything against Chet and Muffy" - who is "us"? When did you become their attorney? I suggest you speak for yourself, because it's pretty clear some of "us" do indeed have a problem with Chet and Muffy. Don't you think you are nit picking just a tad? If the posters you claim that I spoke for have an issue with what I posted, than they are more than welcome to let me know. It's sort of funny that you make a remark such as "When did you become their attorney?," yet you are more than happy to act as their muse. I don't know, do we go and see movies that get bad reviews just to support the production company? I sure don't. It's still a somewhat free country, I guess you can go see bad movies all you want. And buy crappy products from companies that rely on their reputation, like Sony. I'm not saying the team is bad overall, mind you, but I am saying the HOME product has been more consistently poor than not. While I appreciate your analogy, you are comparing apples to oranges. My definition of being a fan is to support the team through bad times and good times. My definition of support is to watch games whenever I can, read Sabrespace on a daily basis, and try to make it to a dozen games a year. While I am supporting the team, I also like to cheer, stand up during break aways, fights, big saves, and goals. Whether in first place, or last place, my support doesn't waiver. At the end of the day, I enjoy watching hockey, and my favorite team happens to be the Sabres. Back to the original point, fan noise is particularly important to me. I truly believe that it can play into the final outcome. More than that, it is nice being with 18,000 people who are all unified for one thing. When the crowd is into it, you feel like you are sharing a beer and a cheer with the person all away across the arena.
Derrico Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 While I appreciate your analogy, you are comparing apples to oranges. My definition of being a fan is to support the team through bad times and good times. My definition of support is to watch games whenever I can, read Sabrespace on a daily basis, and try to make it to a dozen games a year. While I am supporting the team, I also like to cheer, stand up during break aways, fights, big saves, and goals. Whether in first place, or last place, my support doesn't waiver. At the end of the day, I enjoy watching hockey, and my favorite team happens to be the Sabres. Back to the original point, fan noise is particularly important to me. I truly believe that it can play into the final outcome. More than that, it is nice being with 18,000 people who are all unified for one thing. When the crowd is into it, you feel like you are sharing a beer and a cheer with the person all away across the arena. +1
dEnnis the Menace Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 While I appreciate your analogy, you are comparing apples to oranges. My definition of being a fan is to support the team through bad times and good times. My definition of support is to watch games whenever I can, read Sabrespace on a daily basis, and try to make it to a dozen games a year. While I am supporting the team, I also like to cheer, stand up during break aways, fights, big saves, and goals. Whether in first place, or last place, my support doesn't waiver. At the end of the day, I enjoy watching hockey, and my favorite team happens to be the Sabres. Back to the original point, fan noise is particularly important to me. I truly believe that it can play into the final outcome. More than that, it is nice being with 18,000 people who are all unified for one thing. When the crowd is into it, you feel like you are sharing a beer and a cheer with the person all away across the arena. :worthy: Very well put +1
... Posted October 28, 2011 Author Report Posted October 28, 2011 While I appreciate your analogy, you are comparing apples to oranges. My definition of being a fan is to support the team through bad times and good times. My definition of support is to watch games whenever I can, read Sabrespace on a daily basis, and try to make it to a dozen games a year. While I am supporting the team, I also like to cheer, stand up during break aways, fights, big saves, and goals. Whether in first place, or last place, my support doesn't waiver. At the end of the day, I enjoy watching hockey, and my favorite team happens to be the Sabres. I would say that defines most Sabres fans, but is not the point at hand - because this is the basis I start from and there are people on this forum who question the fans at the arena who like to cheer, stand up at break aways, fights, saves, and goals. The place aways sells out, the TV ratings are good, the product sales are good. I'm not sure there's an argument on what defines a "good" fan here. Back to the original point, fan noise is particularly important to me. I truly believe that it can play into the final outcome. More than that, it is nice being with 18,000 people who are all unified for one thing. When the crowd is into it, you feel like you are sharing a beer and a cheer with the person all away across the arena. I don't think this is questionable, either. But it does not address the original point. People at games cheer saves, goals, fights, they boo bad call, they heckle the goalies, they heckle the Sabres when they play like crap. Now, pay attention, there are people here who say THAT ISN'T ENOUGH. There are people here who complain that the fans aren't like European fans, or even fans in Canada. The latter of which is funny, because even the Canadian arenas get quiet, too. Apparently Buffalo fans don't live up to some expectations of the armchair pundits. What say you to THAT? You say you go to games - would you say with all of the support the team gets, which, as I said above, is proven by ratings, sales, and attendance, but because Buffalo fans aren't loud all of the time, that they're not "good" fans? And, who is to blame for that, then? The fans? The team's home performance? Can you answer these questions directly, since you're in the thread?
LastPommerFan Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 I'm not saying the team is bad overall, mind you, but I am saying the HOME product has been more consistently poor than not. Which year: 2010-2011: 21-16-4 2009-2010: 25-10-6 2008-2009: 23-15-3 2007-2008: 20-15-6 2006-2007: 28-10-3 2005-2006: 27-11-3 2003-2004: 21-13-4-3 2002-2003: 18-16-5-2 2001-2002: 20-16-5-0 Are you still pissed about 02-03?
LastPommerFan Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 I would also like to see a response to post #39.
qwksndmonster Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Yes. Maybe not to your extent, but I'll bet my white collar educated paycheck that if we could find a way to judge who is having more fun at an event, It would be people similar to what you have described. (minus the attention span insult) Yes, facilitated by Corporate Chet and Muffy owners who are now in jail for doing the same (I guess they are not so faceless) No, but the ones that do are usually the ones who connect with a blue collar culture. Like myself. The crowds at the Bengals games here in Cincinnati have been absolute proof that a crap product on the field for a few decades does not preclude rowdy, fun-loving fans from being a part of the game rather than just spectators. I am responding to this. What do you think of THAT?!?! :devil: MUHAHAHAHA *sorry*
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