ozone Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Actually, if you have misdiagnosed the patient, you shouldn't just change the treatment. You should properly diagnose the patient so you can give him the appropriate treatment.
HopefulFuture Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 What insight, how did he win player of the tournament then?...............Let me know when you win an olympic medal. Your humorous comment on NHL 12 put aside for moment, do you really believe what you post here? A serious question by the way. Let me know when you win an olympic medal? Really? What does that question have to do with the price of peas in China? I've never won an Olympic Medal, myself and roughly 6.99999999 billion others haven't, and somehow, this makes expressing an opinion on a message board less important to you? The poster you were responding to is correct by the way, competitors don't compete to earn 2nd place. Everyone saw the look of dissappointment on Miller's face, both after the goal was scored and during the Medal Ceremony, it's foolish of you to attempt to disguis his and many others dissappointment by stating that question to the poster and attempting to hide Miller's individual short coming on the field of play. Silver means little to nothing in the Olympics, it's all about the Gold, especially in a team sport such as Hockey. As the case was previously laid out, Miller has acheived a mix bag of results in key game situations, and although it would "appear" as though he is the greatest thing since sliced bread to some, the reality is, he has never carried this team to a finals, and although it is a team sport, there were moments that he could have and should have carried the day for this team, not only as it's self professed leader, but as a player that plays the only position on the ice where individual performance can actually make or break a situation. I submit once again, given the facts at hand on his career situation in those key moments that yes, I would like to see Enroth shoulder those responsibilities, if for no other reason than if the outcome is the same as Miller's we've gone the nothing lost, nothing gained route and would actually see what we have in Enroth.
qwksndmonster Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Your humorous comment on NHL 12 put aside for moment, do you really believe what you post here? A serious question by the way. Let me know when you win an olympic medal? Really? What does that question have to do with the price of peas in China? I've never won an Olympic Medal, myself and roughly 6.99999999 billion others haven't, and somehow, this makes expressing an opinion on a message board less important to you? The poster you were responding to is correct by the way, competitors don't compete to earn 2nd place. Everyone saw the look of dissappointment on Miller's face, both after the goal was scored and during the Medal Ceremony, it's foolish of you to attempt to disguis his and many others dissappointment by stating that question to the poster and attempting to hide Miller's individual short coming on the field of play. Silver means little to nothing in the Olympics, it's all about the Gold, especially in a team sport such as Hockey. As the case was previously laid out, Miller has acheived a mix bag of results in key game situations, and although it would "appear" as though he is the greatest thing since sliced bread to some, the reality is, he has never carried this team to a finals, and although it is a team sport, there were moments that he could have and should have carried the day for this team, not only as it's self professed leader, but as a player that plays the only position on the ice where individual performance can actually make or break a situation. I submit once again, given the facts at hand on his career situation in those key moments that yes, I would like to see Enroth shoulder those responsibilities, if for no other reason than if the outcome is the same as Miller's we've gone the nothing lost, nothing gained route and would actually see what we have in Enroth. Yes, Miller was disappointed. Everyone knows this, and nobody has stated anything to the contrary. Yes, they were competing for first place and they came up just barely short. The fact of the matter is that Miller carried a weak Team USA to overtime in the finals. Giving up two goals in the finals to a team filled with the greatest assortment of hockey players in the world does not reflect negatively on Miller whatsoever. Miller was named the tournament MVP for a reason. Please cease this flawed string of logic.
HopefulFuture Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Yes, Miller was disappointed. Everyone knows this, and nobody has stated anything to the contrary. Yes, they were competing for first place and they came up just barely short. The fact of the matter is that Miller carried a weak Team USA to overtime in the finals. Giving up two goals in the finals to a team filled with the greatest assortment of hockey players in the world does not reflect negatively on Miller whatsoever. Miller was named the tournament MVP for a reason. Please cease this flawed string of logic. There is nothing flawed about the logics of the thought process. Miller does not do well in big game moments. There is nothing flawed in that thought at all given the historical record of his career since entering the pros when put into the proper context with regards to acheiving ultimate success. Whether it be an international tournament or the NHL.
LastPommerFan Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 That's the point, on most nights the advantage Miller gives the team is small if not any at all. Fans that think that there would be a huge drop-off with Enroth in net are mistaken. Any drop-off would minimal. Well worth the assets you would get in a Miller trade and possible free-agents that can be picked up with the savings. I believe the fans that think that there very likely could be a huge drop off with Enroth in Net are being totally reasonable. And if we trade miller and move up from being a Top 5 offense to being a Top 3 offense and lose stability in net, we become the Flyers. I don't want to be the Flyers. I don't want to be frustrated for 3 years then have to go and trade away talent to rebuild our goal tending. I don't think Ryan Miller can Win you a Cup. I don't think there have been many Goalies who could win you the cup on their own. But I believe there have been many many really good teams denied the cup because of their goaltending.
LGR4GM Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Really, your gonna hang your hat on that? :w00t: Loser mentality, being satisfied with 2nd place! He lost the Gold, and settled for silver, he didn't win shiit! Your stupidity literally has NO limits.
deluca67 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I believe the fans that think that there very likely could be a huge drop off with Enroth in Net are being totally reasonable. And if we trade miller and move up from being a Top 5 offense to being a Top 3 offense and lose stability in net, we become the Flyers. I don't want to be the Flyers. I don't want to be frustrated for 3 years then have to go and trade away talent to rebuild our goal tending. I don't think Ryan Miller can Win you a Cup. I don't think there have been many Goalies who could win you the cup on their own. But I believe there have been many many really good teams denied the cup because of their goaltending. I believe Enroth is better than recent Flyer goalies.
5th line wingnutt Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 My thoughts are... I do not eat yellow snow... Miller is a very good goaltender, when he is on his game there is no one better. Enroth has improved a lot during his time in the Sabres organization. Ruff did not trust Lalime, and therefore overused Miller. Ruff is starting to trust Enroth, and this bodes well. If Enroth continues to play well he is a salary cap steal.
LastPommerFan Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I believe Enroth is better than recent Flyer goalies. Seriously, I think your idea is totally reasonable. I don't doubt that Enroth>Boucher>Leighton>Bobrovsky. I just don't want to take that risk. Jhonas, especially at his size and with his style, is a potential candidate for being "figured out". Miller's consistency over the years is a direct result of being a positional goalie. He may not be the best at making saves, but the vast majority of the time he is in the spot that gives him the best chance to stop the puck. You can't get around that with a shooting strategy. That's why everyone is always talking about traffic in front of miller. He can't know where the puck is if you want to get it by him on a regular basis. That said, if Enroth gets up to 50 starts two years from now and is still posting top tier numbers, I'd be all for evaluating the available trades for Miller. You may be willing to take more of a risk here. I think we're closer than warrants that kind of risk. EDIT: Relevant Stat, In Enroth's only stretch as a regular starter (last april) he had a .892 sv%.
5th line wingnutt Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 On the golden goal... Miller had Crosby covered, and Crosby is at a bad angle... There is a Canadian player completely unchecked in the slot about 20 feet out. I think Miller anticipated a pass and started moving...and oh, sh*t, it was a shot.
SwampD Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Here it is. Miller on the road, Ethron at home. STANLEY CUP!!!
donteatyellowsnow Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 My thoughts are... I do not eat yellow snow... Miller is a very good goaltender, when he is on his game there is no one better. Enroth has improved a lot during his time in the Sabres organization. Ruff did not trust Lalime, and therefore overused Miller. Ruff is starting to trust Enroth, and this bodes well. If Enroth continues to play well he is a salary cap steal. Oh yes there is, there are a lot of goalies better. Matter of fact, there is one sitting right on the Sabres bench most nights biding his time.
... Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Oh yes there is, there are a lot of goalies better. Matter of fact, there is one sitting right on the Sabres bench most nights biding his time. Oh dear. Is that the topic in the media this week, again? The mediated pundits HATE it when the fans start calling out Miller and want Ethron in net.
deluca67 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 Oh dear. Is that the topic in the media this week, again? The mediated pundits HATE it when the fans start calling out Miller and want Ethron in net. At least Miller came in second tonight :rolleyes:
... Posted October 30, 2011 Report Posted October 30, 2011 At least Miller came in second tonight :rolleyes: You better be careful, you're liking my posts too much.
RazielSabre Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 All 2nd place is, is the first loser. The Olympics just reward the first 2 losers, that's all. What did the Texas Rangers win last night? Nothing! What have the Bills ever won? Nothing. No other sport rewards the first loser. Pssst. The Olympics isn't a sport, its a sporting event.
donteatyellowsnow Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 Pssst. The Olympics isn't a sport, its a sporting event. Psst, sport, sporting event, does it really matter the objective is still the same, it is to win, not to finish second and be rewarded as the first loser!
RazielSabre Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 Psst, sport, sporting event, does it really matter the objective is still the same, it is to win, not to finish second and be rewarded as the first loser! Yep, the aim is to win.. well done, but that USA team had a tiny chance of beating the canadiens, just any other country vs the USA at Baseball.
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