HopefulFuture Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Didn't Chicago win the Cup with an "unproven" goalie? Yes DeLuca, they did. But in all fairness, I never advocated at the start of my curiousity, jettisoning Miller. I merely was curious if Enroth, even at young, untested age, could perform those clutch performances that Miller inherently fails at. I think the OP's assertion that Enroth resembles Dom is correct, he does have an unorthadox (grammar police, spelling alert?)style and, I for one, find his overall swagger to be every bit as refreshing as when Dom was in net here. Whether or not Enroth can do what I've asked is a moot point though. Given the statement of a "Cup within 3 seasons" by Pegula, I will submit, reluctantly by the way, that Miller will be here for the duration of his current contract. Which, I am fine with if a Cup run is included. I would like to see Miller go at the end of his current contract however, and preferrably at the deadline of his final year so as to get something in return for him. As others have pointed out, and rightfully so, it is very beneficial to have both Miller and Enroth backstopping the team. And on a side note concerning the time frame stated and Miller's contract, has anyone taken note of Enroth's contract? It's due up a season before Miller's. I will speculate that based on this season and next season's performance by Miller, we may very well see Enroth start that 3rd season and Miller on his way to greener pastures. Anything is possible.
LastPommerFan Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Didn't Chicago win the Cup with an "unproven" goalie? yes. And about $16M worth of players they had for under $3M in salary on final year of rookie contract. But yes. Do you think the team in front of miller (even with the addition of a $5M player, you can pick whichever one you want.) is even close to as good as that Hawks team?
deluca67 Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Does the fact that Joseph's career is over and Miller is nearing his prime come into play? Or should we just assume he'll never win like most did with Tim Thomas and move on? Thomas is a better goalie than Miller statically, especially in the playoffs.
LGR4GM Posted October 28, 2011 Report Posted October 28, 2011 Then what would you classify as being "great"? I mean he's 9-0-1 in his last ten games, yes those games are spread pretty far apart but nevertheless if someone is pulling wins like that than I thinks it's pretty safe to say they are more than just "good". Wouldn't you agree? no, in history a good number of goalies go 9-0-1. Great goalies, continually play at that level. thats the difference btw really good and great... Miller Is really good but Hasek, Roy, Brodeur in his prime... those are great goalies, Miller may be close but he has not transcended that yet... Thomas is closer than Miller.
james duncan Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Thomas is a better goalie than Miller statically, especially in the playoffs. Thomas was light's out last year. No argument. But despite being six years older than Miller, he's backstopped his NHL team to the playoffs three times. Miller has already done it four times. Miller has 25 playoff wins, Thomas 26. The Bruins have played a much more defense/trap system than the Sabres over the same time period. Ultimately, I agree it's all about the Cup--Miller has six years to win it once.
87168 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 no, in history a good number of goalies go 9-0-1. Great goalies, continually play at that level. thats the difference btw really good and great... Miller Is really good but Hasek, Roy, Brodeur in his prime... those are great goalies, Miller may be close but he has not transcended that yet... Thomas is closer than Miller. My comment was in reference to Enroth, not Miller.
Marvelo Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 For now, I'd play Miller 2 games, Enroth 1 game. Miller seems to lose focus or get tired with too many games in a row.
deluca67 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 yes. And about $16M worth of players they had for under $3M in salary on final year of rookie contract. But yes. Do you think the team in front of miller (even with the addition of a $5M player, you can pick whichever one you want.) is even close to as good as that Hawks team? Close to that Hawks team? No. Make the Sabres better? Absolutely! I never said trading Miller and playing Enroth is the final piece of the Sabres Stanley Cup puzzle. It's an important step which needs to be followed with serious changes to the forward ranks.
HopefulFuture Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 For now, I'd play Miller 2 games, Enroth 1 game. Miller seems to lose focus or get tired with too many games in a row. I like this idea, but I'd actually reverse the method. Enroth 2 games, Miller 1 for the first 41 games, then switch it up with Miller 2 games, Enroth 1 for the second 41 games. By the end of the season, both goalies will have had enough work, yet been rested enough to take alternating games in the playoffs. I'd like Enroth on those critical potential series ending/tie games though, as Miller doesn't appear to fare well in them.
Guest Sloth Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 In point of fact, Miller did not perform to a Gold Medal Victory, he did however, allow a 5 hole goal that cost us the Gold. You cannot get around the end result, no matter how one feels about the overall performance. Just an observation on him is all, not a criticism, more of a critique, he has the ability to overcome this, the question to me is whether or not he ever will and if Enroth has a calmer approach is he the one that can...... Miller is THE reason Team USA made the gold medal game. People seem to forget that.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I like this idea, but I'd actually reverse the method. Enroth 2 games, Miller 1 for the first 41 games, then switch it up with Miller 2 games, Enroth 1 for the second 41 games. By the end of the season, both goalies will have had enough work, yet been rested enough to take alternating games in the playoffs. I'd like Enroth on those critical potential series ending/tie games though, as Miller doesn't appear to fare well in them. This would probably work in NHL 12, keep playing that game man........ :beer:
Claude_Verret Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 This would probably work in NHL 12, keep playing that game man........ :beer: This. I get the sentiment that we need to see more of Enroth, but some of anti- Miller stuff on here is crazy.
LastPommerFan Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Close to that Hawks team? No. Make the Sabres better? Absolutely! I never said trading Miller and playing Enroth is the final piece of the Sabres Stanley Cup puzzle. It's an important step which needs to be followed with serious changes to the forward ranks. I understand we'd be adding a $5-$5.5M player, at the least, but I'm of the camp that you have a sure thing in net, why take the risk to upgrade the 6th highest scoring team in the league to be the third. Keep them both and make your goal tending an advantage rather than a risk.
nostyle126 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Enroth is nothing like Hasek. The only goalie since Hasek to remind me of Hasek is Tim Thomas. Enroth reminds me of Mike Richter. Small, quick, always in position. His lateral movement isn't quite as good as Richter's but every other part of his game is nearly identical.
LGR4GM Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 My comment was in reference to Enroth, not Miller. Ok, the same thing applies to Enroth, he has gone 9-0-1 but thats 10 games. Miller went 10-0 once (06-07) so again if he consistently does this for about 40-50 games, I am going to become impressed. As of right now, Miller has been a very consistent netminder... How often does he get pulled? almost never and part of that is because he is consistent. To all the F^^KING @SS4OLES that claim Miller lost the gold medal game, Miller won us a silver, he didn't lose us a gold.
donteatyellowsnow Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Ok, the same thing applies to Enroth, he has gone 9-0-1 but thats 10 games. Miller went 10-0 once (06-07) so again if he consistently does this for about 40-50 games, I am going to become impressed. As of right now, Miller has been a very consistent netminder... How often does he get pulled? almost never and part of that is because he is consistent. To all the F^^KING @SS4OLES that claim Miller lost the gold medal game, Miller won us a silver, he didn't lose us a gold. Really, your gonna hang your hat on that? :w00t: Loser mentality, being satisfied with 2nd place! He lost the Gold, and settled for silver, he didn't win shiit!
DR HOLLIDAY Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Really, your gonna hang your hat on that? :w00t: Loser mentality, being satisfied with 2nd place! He lost the Gold, and settled for silver, he didn't win shiit! What insight, how did he win player of the tournament then?...............Let me know when you win an olympic medal.
deluca67 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 I understand we'd be adding a $5-$5.5M player, at the least, but I'm of the camp that you have a sure thing in net, why take the risk to upgrade the 6th highest scoring team in the league to be the third. Keep them both and make your goal tending an advantage rather than a risk. That's the point, on most nights the advantage Miller gives the team is small if not any at all. Fans that think that there would be a huge drop-off with Enroth in net are mistaken. Any drop-off would minimal. Well worth the assets you would get in a Miller trade and possible free-agents that can be picked up with the savings.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 That's the point, on most nights the advantage Miller gives the team is small if not any at all. Fans that think that there would be a huge drop-off with Enroth in net are mistaken. Any drop-off would minimal. Well worth the assets you would get in a Miller trade and possible free-agents that can be picked up with the savings. Since you like examples so much, you might have noticed that the Stanley Cup Champions have chosen to keep two excellent goalies for several years now......hmmmmm....... :beer:
qwksndmonster Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Really, your gonna hang your hat on that? :w00t: Loser mentality, being satisfied with 2nd place! He lost the Gold, and settled for silver, he didn't win shiit! This is foolish.
donteatyellowsnow Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 This is foolish. All 2nd place is, is the first loser. The Olympics just reward the first 2 losers, that's all. What did the Texas Rangers win last night? Nothing! What have the Bills ever won? Nothing. No other sport rewards the first loser.
Bmwolf21 Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 All 2nd place is, is the first loser. The Olympics just reward the first 2 losers, that's all. What did the Texas Rangers win last night? Nothing! What have the Bills ever won? Nothing. No other sport rewards the first loser. The Rangers won the American League Pennant. The Bills won four American Football Conference Championships (not to mention two American Football League champions in 64 and 65).
HopefulFuture Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 This. I get the sentiment that we need to see more of Enroth, but some of anti- Miller stuff on here is crazy. Since when is it anti-Miller to review his career to date, state the facts as they are known, and look to alternative avenues to acheive success where Miller has failed. No....no it's not so much anti-Miller as it is pro Stanley Cup hopes. And there is no sentiment of seeing more of Enroth, there is however, the sentiment of hoping he gets more playing time, particularly in those key, must win situations where Miller has fallen short in his career when it counts. I prefer to call that my opinion. I'd much rather see Enroth in net than Miller not because I am anti-Miller, but because I would like to see this team get past those key game failure moments. And, as many have reminded me on here, it's not always Miller's fault, it's a team effort. I just now firmly believe that it's time to change the end results here. If you've mis-diagnosed the patient, change the treatment.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted October 29, 2011 Report Posted October 29, 2011 Since when is it anti-Miller to review his career to date, state the facts as they are known, and look to alternative avenues to acheive success where Miller has failed. No....no it's not so much anti-Miller as it is pro Stanley Cup hopes. And there is no sentiment of seeing more of Enroth, there is however, the sentiment of hoping he gets more playing time, particularly in those key, must win situations where Miller has fallen short in his career when it counts. I prefer to call that my opinion. I'd much rather see Enroth in net than Miller not because I am anti-Miller, but because I would like to see this team get past those key game failure moments. And, as many have reminded me on here, it's not always Miller's fault, it's a team effort. I just now firmly believe that it's time to change the end results here. If you've mis-diagnosed the patient, change the treatment. Speaking to that subject, are you on an out patient treatment schedule or do you have around the clock treatment?
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