Leino asked to go back to wing....

[shrader]

I think that choice was made because they were out of centers, it was do or die, he had the entire offseason to continue his rehab, and most importantly, they felt it was healed to the point where he couldn't hurt it by playing on it.

 

This is the Pegula owned Sabres we are talking about. They aren't going to risk the health of one of their top players.

 

If the choice had been up to Derek Roy, he would have been back far earlier than that.

[qwksndmonster]

They way each of them plays, the battles are inevitable. It won't be big hits, though. It will be two big strong men fighting for position and ice - one trying to get to a scoring position, one trying to keep the other out of a scoring position.

 

Jagr is the best player of his generation coming off the half wall, shielding the puck and getting to the net.

 

It won't make anyone's highlights but Robie's, but its the game within the game that contributes significantly to the final outcome.

I knew what you meant, and I'm excited to watch it too.

 

A lot of people here are really blowing this Adam for Leino swap wayyyyyy out of proportion.

 

I heard that snow storm happened because Leino is on the top line now.

 

Leino got put on the top line and he also banged everyone's wives, that scum bag.

 

I heard that Adam had a meeting with Jesus and JC is really pissed that Adam has to play a game on wing with those hacks Roy and Stafford.

 

Lindy Ruff was recently seen driving a new Range Rover. Sources say that Ville Leino bought it as a bribe to get him on the top line, overshadowing the thank you card that Adam sent Lindy for Halloween.

How deep does it all go?!?!

[darksabre]

I knew what you meant, and I'm excited to watch it too.

 

 

How deep does it all go?!?!

 

I bet the Smoking Man knows...

 

[korab rules]

1. Briere, Dumont, Gaustad, Kalinin.....all continued to play with undiagnosed sports hernias, only to miss games in key times instead of in the offseason in a few of those cases.

 

2. Tallinder comes back early from a broken arm, only to break again within days.

 

3. Missing Dominik Moore's broken hand.

 

4. Tim Connolly missing 2 years with a head injury, when it took unsollicited advice from a college to say, "Hey, it's his neck causing the problem."

 

5. Rivet's shoulder

 

There are more, I will search some of my old posts as they happened.....those are just off the top of my head. Miller's mismanagement could be fingered on them as well. I don't know the whole heirarchy of Lindy-Mckinney-Med staff, etc.

 

1. Who says they played with undiagnosed sports hernias, and that the lack of diagnosis caused them to miss games at key times? Gaustad had surgery for it in the offseason after playing through it - so did Kalinin. Briere tried to play with it , but had to shut it down. Dumont was going through the same thing as Briere at the same time. See the attached link. It was Briere's own specialist in Montreal who said his was an abdominal injury. Sports hernias are difficult to diagnose, but the diagnosis doesn't change much - its an injury that can be played through depending on the extent of the hernia - if it's bad enough the only fix is surgery.

 

2. Tallinder suffered a broken left arm in game 3 of the Sabres Eastern Conference finals against the Carolina Hurricanes and missed the remainder of the 2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs. During the 10th game of the 2006–07 NHL season Tallinder broke the same arm during a game against the New York Islanders. 5 1/2 months is coming back too early? After playing the pre-season and 9 regular season games without incident?

 

3. Dominick Moore was just on WGR himself the other day talking about how he broke his hand blocking a shot after he got here.

 

4. Connolly missed two years? He was injured in the 2006 playoffs, and came back for the last two games of the 2006-2007 season. That's less than a year. Unsolicited advise from a college? The Sabres were consulting with doctors in Pittsburgh on his treatment.

 

5. Rivet's shoulder? He injured it in November 2008, and it was diagnosed. HE elected to forgo surgery and play with a brace. He continued to play with it throughout that season and the next, and had offseason surgery to repair it in the summer of 2010. Were they supposed to tie him down and perform the surgery against his will? He couldn't do any more damage to it with the brace on. Here's the link.

 

Miller's mismanagement? You will have to enlighten me on that one. Do you claim they screwed up on his broken thumb, his sprained ankle, or his his concussion?

[Weave]

Miller's mismanagement? You will have to enlighten me on that one. Do you claim they screwed up on his broken thumb, his sprained ankle, or his his concussion?

 

 

Have you seen his eyes? He HAS to be playing with his bell rung to look like that.

[shrader]

1. Who says they played with undiagnosed sports hernias, and that the lack of diagnosis caused them to miss games at key times? Gaustad had surgery for it in the offseason after playing through it - so did Kalinin. Briere tried to play with it , but had to shut it down. Dumont was going through the same thing as Briere at the same time. See the attached link. It was Briere's own specialist in Montreal who said his was an abdominal injury. Sports hernias are difficult to diagnose, but the diagnosis doesn't change much - its an injury that can be played through depending on the extent of the hernia - if it's bad enough the only fix is surgery.

 

There seemed to be a large number of reported sports hernias right around that time across sports. It seems like there was some sort of diagnosis breakthrough around that time. I remember two BU players specifically who were diagnosed that year (and played through them).

 

4. Connolly missed two years? He was injured in the 2006 playoffs, and came back for the last two games of the 2006-2007 season. That's less than a year. Unsolicited advise from a college? The Sabres were consulting with doctors in Pittsburgh on his treatment.

 

He also had a pre-lockout season wiped out due to concussion. There's the 2nd year Drane is referring to.

[korab rules]

 

 

He also had a pre-lockout season wiped out due to concussion. There's the 2nd year Drane is referring to.

 

I took the two years to be an exaggeration, as the concussions were separated by years, and he fully recovered from the first one without any reference to a neck injury.

[darksabre]

1. Who says they played with undiagnosed sports hernias, and that the lack of diagnosis caused them to miss games at key times? Gaustad had surgery for it in the offseason after playing through it - so did Kalinin. Briere tried to play with it , but had to shut it down. Dumont was going through the same thing as Briere at the same time. See the attached link. It was Briere's own specialist in Montreal who said his was an abdominal injury. Sports hernias are difficult to diagnose, but the diagnosis doesn't change much - its an injury that can be played through depending on the extent of the hernia - if it's bad enough the only fix is surgery.

 

2. Tallinder suffered a broken left arm in game 3 of the Sabres Eastern Conference finals against the Carolina Hurricanes and missed the remainder of the 2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs. During the 10th game of the 2006–07 NHL season Tallinder broke the same arm during a game against the New York Islanders. 5 1/2 months is coming back too early? After playing the pre-season and 9 regular season games without incident?

 

3. Dominick Moore was just on WGR himself the other day talking about how he broke his hand blocking a shot after he got here.

 

4. Connolly missed two years? He was injured in the 2006 playoffs, and came back for the last two games of the 2006-2007 season. That's less than a year. Unsolicited advise from a college? The Sabres were consulting with doctors in Pittsburgh on his treatment.

 

5. Rivet's shoulder? He injured it in November 2008, and it was diagnosed. HE elected to forgo surgery and play with a brace. He continued to play with it throughout that season and the next, and had offseason surgery to repair it in the summer of 2010. Were they supposed to tie him down and perform the surgery against his will? He couldn't do any more damage to it with the brace on. Here's the link.

 

Miller's mismanagement? You will have to enlighten me on that one. Do you claim they screwed up on his broken thumb, his sprained ankle, or his his concussion?

 

Great post. Nice work.

[Marvelo]

on Leino from Philly.com

 

We visited Leino at his house in April, learning what makes him tick. He is an interesting character, one who doesn't easily adapt to set standards and practices.

 

"I can't play in the simple way that others can," Leino said in April. "If I fail, I'll fail as myself and the player I've developed and the player I've always been - not the player that tried to please somebody.

 

"Before, I tried to do things that made coaches happy. That's the Finn in me. Because I don't want to [tick] anyone off or give a bad impression. But that's not what I am - I decided I wasn't going to change for anyone else."

 

Therein lies Leino's clash with Ruff, a rigid man who squeezes every last ounce of talent out of his players with a unified system. Nonconformists don't often last on Ruff's teams.

 

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20111102_LEINO_FACES_RUFF_ROAD.html#ixzz1cd33clJA

[darksabre]

on Leino from Philly.com

 

We visited Leino at his house in April, learning what makes him tick. He is an interesting character, one who doesn't easily adapt to set standards and practices.

 

"I can't play in the simple way that others can," Leino said in April. "If I fail, I'll fail as myself and the player I've developed and the player I've always been - not the player that tried to please somebody.

 

"Before, I tried to do things that made coaches happy. That's the Finn in me. Because I don't want to [tick] anyone off or give a bad impression. But that's not what I am - I decided I wasn't going to change for anyone else."

 

Therein lies Leino's clash with Ruff, a rigid man who squeezes every last ounce of talent out of his players with a unified system. Nonconformists don't often last on Ruff's teams.

 

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20111102_LEINO_FACES_RUFF_ROAD.html#ixzz1cd33clJA

 

Interesting post. Nice find.

 

So basically Leino is like Mike Vick. Just gotta let him do his own thing and maybe he'll make it work. That doesn't sound like a Lindy Ruff player at all. But then again, we did have Max here for quite some time, and that's the kind of player he was.

[sabre4life]

Exactly the reason why I hardly post... when someone who has a legitimate take on a subject they get slammed by individuals here who just cant take anothers difference of opinion and like to beat there chest, and mine was just that an opinion, being from a medical background I believe my opinion has some merit.

 

I'll go back in the shadows so I don't disturb the elitists again.

[korab rules]

Exactly the reason why I hardly post... when someone who has a legitimate take on a subject they get slammed by individuals here who just cant take anothers difference of opinion and like to beat there chest, and mine was just that an opinion, being from a medical background I believe my opinion has some merit.

 

I'll go back in the shadows so I don't disturb the elitists again.

When you express an opinion on a discussion board, you should expect to hear differing opinions. When you relay facts on a discussion board, you should expect to hear differing facts. When you say the sky is blue, you should still expect to hear differing opinions. Lots of people hear have lots of backgrounds.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

1. Who says they played with undiagnosed sports hernias, and that the lack of diagnosis caused them to miss games at key times? Gaustad had surgery for it in the offseason after playing through it - so did Kalinin. Briere tried to play with it , but had to shut it down. Dumont was going through the same thing as Briere at the same time. See the attached link. It was Briere's own specialist in Montreal who said his was an abdominal injury. Sports hernias are difficult to diagnose, but the diagnosis doesn't change much - its an injury that can be played through depending on the extent of the hernia - if it's bad enough the only fix is surgery.

 

2. Tallinder suffered a broken left arm in game 3 of the Sabres Eastern Conference finals against the Carolina Hurricanes and missed the remainder of the 2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs. During the 10th game of the 2006–07 NHL season Tallinder broke the same arm during a game against the New York Islanders. 5 1/2 months is coming back too early? After playing the pre-season and 9 regular season games without incident?

 

3. Dominick Moore was just on WGR himself the other day talking about how he broke his hand blocking a shot after he got here.

 

4. Connolly missed two years? He was injured in the 2006 playoffs, and came back for the last two games of the 2006-2007 season. That's less than a year. Unsolicited advise from a college? The Sabres were consulting with doctors in Pittsburgh on his treatment.

 

5. Rivet's shoulder? He injured it in November 2008, and it was diagnosed. HE elected to forgo surgery and play with a brace. He continued to play with it throughout that season and the next, and had offseason surgery to repair it in the summer of 2010. Were they supposed to tie him down and perform the surgery against his will? He couldn't do any more damage to it with the brace on. Here's the link.

 

Miller's mismanagement? You will have to enlighten me on that one. Do you claim they screwed up on his broken thumb, his sprained ankle, or his his concussion?

 

Very thorough...the timeframes on a couple you are correct. The fog of war made me think tallinder was the same year...same arm though, still interesting. They consistantly screwed the pooch on the hernias though...how....I don't understand.

 

Miller....overplayed and questions on groin, etc.

 

I KNOW someone came TO the Sabres about Connolly. No time to fish now, but will.

 

I question the interaction between the coaching/management/medical....and how decisions are made. Maybe the med staff is better than I view them and Lindy makes some bad calls. I just know that I myself am not happy with how things have played out over the years.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

Therein lies Leino's clash with Ruff, a rigid man who squeezes every last ounce of talent out of his players with a unified system. Nonconformists don't often last on Ruff's teams.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20111102_LEINO_FACES_RUFF_ROAD.html#ixzz1cd33clJA

 

No.....I am not a Philly sportswriter.

[Wyldnwoody44]

Yes you do, but don't let that stop you from thinking you know more about what is best for him than the entire Sabres medical staff. I am sure they would much rather risk a long term injury than give him a couple games off. Its not like they care about their players or have a vested interest in their long term health. :rolleyes:

Well, I actually was out to dinner the other night with both the Sabers Internist and a Sabres trainer and spoke about the extent of the injury to Roy; not to mention he is being treated by a Chiropractor who is a very close family friend. Roy, is very fit and in great shape, obviously. His leg will be sore; that is natural. But the appropriate healing time has lapsed for his specific injury and the chance of a reaggravation is very minimal at this point; honestly skating is doing more good for the muscle/tendon/ligaments that not exercising at this point; medically speaking. He will progressivley get better and the pain will subside. This is not a rumor ; )

[korab rules]

1. Very thorough...the timeframes on a couple you are correct. The fog of war made me think tallinder was the same year...same arm though, still interesting. They consistantly screwed the pooch on the hernias though...how....I don't understand.

 

2. Miller....overplayed and questions on groin, etc.

 

3. I KNOW someone came TO the Sabres about Connolly. No time to fish now, but will.

 

4. I question the interaction between the coaching/management/medical....and how decisions are made. Maybe the med staff is better than I view them and Lindy makes some bad calls. I just know that I myself am not happy with how things have played out over the years.

 

1. Screwed the pooch on the hernias how? You claimed they failed to diagnose hernias, and it cost those players games at crucial times.

 

2. The medical staff over played Miller? The first 4 pages of google reveal only one groin injury - in November 2010, where he missed a few games. He's a goalie. Its amazing he hasn't injured his groin with regularity.

 

3. Let me know.

 

4. You can question it all you want, but questions don't prove your premise.

[korab rules]

Well, I actually was out to dinner the other night with both the Sabers Internist and a Sabres trainer and spoke about the extent of the injury to Roy; not to mention he is being treated by a Chiropractor who is a very close family friend. Roy, is very fit and in great shape, obviously. His leg will be sore; that is natural. But the appropriate healing time has lapsed for his specific injury and the chance of a reaggravation is very minimal at this point; honestly skating is doing more good for the muscle/tendon/ligaments that not exercising at this point; medically speaking. He will progressivley get better and the pain will subside. This is not a rumor ; )

 

But I thought...

 

I don't know maybe he has different muscles than every other human on this planet... but a sore hamstring can lead to a tear/pull if stressed enough, I hope you're right, I'm not calling for Roy to be benched, I just want him healthy and playing like he has in the past at a point a game player, he's not doing that at this point favoring a sore hamstring.

 

Again JMO....

 

and...

 

Yes he can play, but the chances of him re-aggravating and/or tearing the muscle is far greater than taking the time and allowing it to heal properly. Besides he had one decent game, they played ten? I don't have to be a doctor to realize the reality of this.

[Wyldnwoody44]

But I thought...

 

 

 

and...

Yes but are any of these other posters MD's? Im speaking in all medical terms; from what Ive experienced to be true; just trying to give some facts behind the rumors, straight from the medical staff.

[X. Benedict]

 

 

Therein lies Leino's clash with Ruff, a rigid man who squeezes every last ounce of talent out of his players with a unified system. Nonconformists don't often last on Ruff's teams.

 

I'm just back in the 716 myself. What clash are Leino and Ruff having? Did I miss something?

[wjag]

20 pages and counting.. Imagine how many pages there would be if Leino "insisted" on moving to wing.

[MattPie]

I'm just back in the 716 myself. What clash are Leino and Ruff having? Did I miss something?

 

They're having a clash in the minds of the residents of SS. There's no news or even rumors of such.

[RazielSabre]

Interesting post. Nice find.

 

So basically Leino is like Mike Vick. Just gotta let him do his own thing and maybe he'll make it work. That doesn't sound like a Lindy Ruff player at all. But then again, we did have Max here for quite some time, and that's the kind of player he was.

 

Ahem, it's on the front page. Interesting article though, mostly about him not wanting to leave Philly, however true that is.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

1. Screwed the pooch on the hernias how? You claimed they failed to diagnose hernias, and it cost those players games at crucial times.

 

2. The medical staff over played Miller? The first 4 pages of google reveal only one groin injury - in November 2010, where he missed a few games. He's a goalie. Its amazing he hasn't injured his groin with regularity.

 

3. Let me know.

 

4. You can question it all you want, but questions don't prove your premise.

 

The hernias did cost....again, we are gapping away, but either Briere and/or Dumont were in and out, and eventually shut it down. Kalinin was taking doo-doo from everyone only to find out at the end of the year he had one.

 

Miller is a giant ? in my mind. Is it Lindy hammering him 70 games a year, is the medical staff giving it's blessing....i don't know. You have the athlete, the med staff, and coaching that need to work together. Different ideas come about. The same with guys like Gaustad losing weight and all this "fitness" obsession where newer guys are out of playing shape and used as an excuse for failure. Again...is it's Ruff's philosophy? I assume so, but maybe they take the lead from the training staff.

 

I can't prove many more important things than Sabres' philosophy, but my gut and my head working together answer plenty enough questions for myself....and that is most important. If you feel things are a success, then all the better for you. The open market does wonders for solving differences of opinion.

[korab rules]

Yes but are any of these other posters MD's? Im speaking in all medical terms; from what Ive experienced to be true; just trying to give some facts behind the rumors, straight from the medical staff.

Your sarcasm detector is broken. What you said backed up what I have been saying.

[korab rules]

The hernias did cost....again, we are gapping away, but either Briere and/or Dumont were in and out, and eventually shut it down. Kalinin was taking doo-doo from everyone only to find out at the end of the year he had one.

 

Miller is a giant ? in my mind. Is it Lindy hammering him 70 games a year, is the medical staff giving it's blessing....i don't know. You have the athlete, the med staff, and coaching that need to work together. Different ideas come about. The same with guys like Gaustad losing weight and all this "fitness" obsession where newer guys are out of playing shape and used as an excuse for failure. Again...is it's Ruff's philosophy? I assume so, but maybe they take the lead from the training staff.

 

I can't prove many more important things than Sabres' philosophy, but my gut and my head working together answer plenty enough questions for myself....and that is most important. If you feel things are a success, then all the better for you. The open market does wonders for solving differences of opinion.

I have lots of questions, but the sabres medical staff, which was the point of your original post and what I responded to, isn't one of them.

 

I have no idea what you are saying now about hernias you claimed they werent diagnosed, and the failure to diagnose cost them to miss games at crucial times. The news reports indicate they were diagnosed but diagnosed or not, there is nothing to do for them but play through it or operate. So whether they were diagnosed or not, they were going to miss games.

 

Now your point is morphing into some opinion piece about Ruff interfering with the medical staff, so have at it.