Andrew Amerk Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Cam Ward won this game. Sabres played great and controlled most of the game, but they made a couple mistakes, and those mistakes cost them dearly. It could have been 3 shorties, but Miller made a terrific save on that breakaway. Vanek is still the man. He did what most hockey players would instinctively do: he reached for the puck and accidentally tripped him. Without that half second reaction, we would have went to OT. BEAST move by Myers blowing right thru the guys on the wall and driving right to the net to create that tying goal. Hopefully, the results will be better tomorrow. I think it's time for some Weber.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Ruff's teams continue to have the tendency, exemplified tonight, of fighting hard to get back in games, succeeding, and immediately letting down or doing something stupid that costs them. Perfectly example tonight was Vanek's penalty immediately after they tied it at 3-3. Oh yes, should we discuss giving up short handed goals as well?
LaLaLaFontaine Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I post without reading any of your comments yet. I will do this after my post. I think this was a really stupid loss. 2 shorthanded goals against, really? This is a present ,instead of a 2:1 lead it is suddenly 2:3. On both goals the extra attacker on the blue line, first Vanek with his fumble, second Adam with bad positioning, made mistakes and Carolina scored on breakaways. I didn't see the penalty 2 minutes before the end, but you can't take it in this moment, it is a no go in my opinion. On the good side Roy and Stafford worked in this games well, i also think that we alltogether were the stronger team.
SabresMojo Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Give up two shorties you undo lots of good things. Sabres were dominant for stretches - tons of possession - shots - forward lines were solid - good response to Allen Cam Ward stood on his head. Upside of the loss are the mistakes are pretty correctable. Too much overcommitment by D on the kill --wandering out to corners, and on the PP getting caught. Painful yes, but keeping in mind there are three new D pairs it wasn't too surprising there are some special teams chinks to work out. Leino line looks close to gelling. Exactly. The point in bold, is easiest to fix, and is what cost us the game. Simply watch some film and look at what went wrong and discuss it in the morning skate. Pittsburgh is gonna be a tough one tomorrow. With the three new D pairs, its expected. As soon as Sabres lost, I see posts (not on here, but Twitter mainly) with some complaining. People need to realize that this will take a few games to get adjusted to. Cam Ward won this game. Sabres played great and controlled most of the game, but they made a couple mistakes, and those mistakes cost them dearly. It could have been 3 shorties, but Miller made a terrific save on that breakaway. Vanek is still the man. He did what most hockey players would instinctively do: he reached for the puck and accidentally tripped him. Without that half second reaction, we would have went to OT. BEAST move by Myers blowing right thru the guys on the wall and driving right to the net to create that tying goal. Hopefully, the results will be better tomorrow. I think it's time for some Weber. Yes! Its what people want Miller to do. Ruff's teams continue to have the tendency, exemplified tonight, of fighting hard to get back in games, succeeding, and immediately letting down or doing something stupid that costs them. Perfectly example tonight was Vanek's penalty immediately after they tied it at 3-3. Oh yes, should we discuss giving up short handed goals as well? I do like that we dont give up and try to tie games, the problem, as you stated, is right after when we give up that goal or that one big play which is a momentum shifter.
SabresMojo Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I just saw the Sabres highlights, more importantly, the two shorties. Miller looked average...the breakaway should have been a save, the goal scorer came across and Miller shoulda squared him up. The 2nd one, was just a rebound right to the scorer's stick. Oh well, its only the third game, fine tune your game in the coming days and get the wins when needed. Im not concerned right now.
kishoph Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 VANEK was snake bit from the beginning of this game (his nice deflection nearly being awarded to ROY), hopefully he doesn't let 1 bad game get him down. He'll more than make up for a bad night. After the first 2 games I was hoping the PP was going to be strong, it really was horrible last night, if not for a post and a breakaway save by MILLER, they would of had 4 shorties.
North Buffalo Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Give up two shorties you undo lots of good things. Sabres were dominant for stretches - tons of possession - shots - forward lines were solid - good response to Allen Cam Ward stood on his head. Upside of the loss are the mistakes are pretty correctable. Too much overcommitment by D on the kill --wandering out to corners, and on the PP getting caught. Painful yes, but keeping in mind there are three new D pairs it wasn't too surprising there are some special teams chinks to work out. Leino line looks close to gelling. The biggest problem on the shorthanded goals and a couple of other odd man rushes were mostly the result of the Sabres standing around and the Canes playing aggressive counter attack on the the Sabres D when they were pressing. The foward has to rotate back to cover and more importantly on two of those rushes including one of the goals Grags has to get the puck deep and quicker. He slowed down through the neutral zone, the Sabres stood around because of that and he either didn't pass or get the puck deep and in the mean time the Canes were standing the Sabre players easily up at the blue line as they hesitated to enter the zone waiting on Grags to do something. It was glaring in comparison to Tyler Myers and Leopold bringing the puck up. They were decisive and made quick decisions. I know that the Sabres were trying to put Grags with Erhoff to take advantage of his passing ability with Erhoffs shot and that worked well except when the puck got tipped away and the Canes counter attacked. It appears that Grags was a step slow getting back too. Chalk that up to being a rookie and it will get worked out, but I still think he spend time either watching or on the second power play line and I like Weber's intensity against a team like the Canes who were looking to turn it into a street brawl. Sekera also looked like he was skating better than Gragnani last night. Not sure why but Grags made a lot of uncharacteristic mistakes... trying to do too much???
Marvelo Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 shoulda won that one. dominated large stretches of the game. Took 42 shots on net. Sloppy play killed us...perhaps we were over-geeked to put on a good show. Ward outplayed Miller. Again. I'd start Enroth against the Canes next time.
LaLaLaFontaine Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I just saw the Sabres highlights, more importantly, the two shorties.Miller looked average...the breakaway should have been a save, the goal scorer came across and Miller shoulda squared him up. The 2nd one, was just a rebound right to the scorer's stick.Oh well, its only the third game, fine tune your game in the coming days and get the wins when needed.Im not concerned right now. shoulda won that one. dominated large stretches of the game. Took 42 shots on net. Sloppy play killed us...perhaps we were over-geeked to put on a good show. Ward outplayed Miller. Again. I'd start Enroth against the Canes next time. I took these posts as example: Do yo really believe that Miller must make the saves against these breakaways? He made one great save against a rush, but he got three of these rushes ( one was a 2 on 1 rush). No the chances are too big to really guarantee a save. These rushes are presents and they must not happen. That we lost this game is not the fault of Miller. Believe me Enroth would not have been better ( I am not sure about the grammar in this sentence, sorry if it is wrong).
DR HOLLIDAY Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I took these posts as example: Do yo really believe that Miller must make the saves against these breakaways? He made one great save against a rush, but he got three of these rushes ( one was a 2 on 1 rush). No the chances are too big to really guarantee a save. These rushes are presents and they must not happen. That we lost this game is not the fault of Miller. Believe me Enroth would not have been better ( I am not sure about the grammar in this sentence, sorry if it is wrong). Agreed I don't know how anyone can say that breakaways should be stopped, pretty ridiculous to post that........Miller made a lot of good saves in the 3rd including several breakaways.
SwampD Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Normally I scoff at statements like this but I've questioned his thought process for a while. While I don't think he is a dullard, his brain farts happen at the worst time. For me, the bigger brain fart was when they left Skinner all alone on the powerplay. He had 31 goals last year and he's already got 6 point in 5 games,.. he's really good. They should have known where he was on the ice.
SabresMojo Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I took these posts as example: Do yo really believe that Miller must make the saves against these breakaways?He made one great save against a rush, but he got three of these rushes ( one was a 2 on 1 rush).No the chances are too big to really guarantee a save. These rushes are presents and they must not happen.That we lost this game is not the fault of Miller. Believe me Enroth would not have been better ( I am not sure about the grammar in this sentence, sorry if it is wrong). Agreed I don't know how anyone can say that breakaways should be stopped, pretty ridiculous to post that........Miller made a lot of good saves in the 3rd including several breakaways. The only reason I said that he should have saved it is because of how he came across the ice, if it was a head-on breakaway, I wouldnt be saying that; but the fact that Sutter was going from one side to another, across the frame of goal, makes it look more "save-able".
X. Benedict Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 For me, the bigger brain fart was when they left Skinner all alone on the powerplay. He had 31 goals last year and he's already got 6 point in 5 games,.. he's really good. They should have known where he was on the ice. Agree. The box totally fell apart chasing to the walls.
Samson's Flow Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Disappointed in the outcome of the game, but I was very impressed with the style of play and reaction to the Pommers hit. The team played a very aggressive style that will cause some problems in the future for our opponents. I think the excitement of the home opener made them play a little too aggressive and that was seen by the shorties and PPG allowed. Some other thoughts: -Roy and Stafford looked very good together. It makes me think that Roy was not at 100% for the Europe trip and is finally getting his health back. He looked like his old self. Stafford needs to be the big body on that line that can hold the possession in the corners. Did a good job last night. That 2 on 1 was a thing of beauty. -Still very impressed with the Leino/Ennis/Boyes puck possession. They can dance circles around the D. They need to start looking to translate that into putting the puck in the net. There was one shift where it looked like they held the puck for almost a minute and the Canes D looked exhausted and just stopped chasing them. -PP looked pretty dynamic with lots of movement creating good shooting lanes. The active D pinching caused the turnovers leading to the shorties. Just need to be a bit more selective on when to pinch and rotation coverage. -Adam showed why he is a rookie. Watching him a few times he was very lax on skating back to cover the D zone. The one Cane 2 on 1 he gave up skating at the blue line and coasted in, leaving his man uncovered to pound home the rebound. Hopefully Lindy harps on him in film study. -Nice to see the team go after that patsie following the Pommers hit. Took their shots at him when they were available and responded well for the hit on their captain. Last year we would have been clamoring for a reaction from these sissies. -It's only one game and they competed well and looked dominant for stretches, but the mistakes on special teams were too much to overcome.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 The only reason I said that he should have saved it is because of how he came across the ice, if it was a head-on breakaway, I wouldnt be saying that; but the fact that Sutter was going from one side to another, across the frame of goal, makes it look more "save-able". Fair enough, I think why Sutter was successful was he did not hesitate with what he wanted to do, Miller will be ready for him the next time.
SabresFan526 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 VANEK was snake bit from the beginning of this game (his nice deflection nearly being awarded to ROY), hopefully he doesn't let 1 bad game get him down. He'll more than make up for a bad night. After the first 2 games I was hoping the PP was going to be strong, it really was horrible last night, if not for a post and a breakaway save by MILLER, they would of had 4 shorties. Aside from the shorties, which were due to bad positioning of a forward not covering the point or a bad play at the point with Vanek, the PP actually looked really good last night. The puck movement was excellent, and mostly outworked the Canes to loose pucks. They just didn't score a goal on the PP and that was in large part due to great saves by Ward. I thought the PP looked really good despite the poor defensive play allowing for the 4 shorthanded opportunities and 2 goals. So, the lesson is to play a bit more cautious and to not play an umbrella but to have two guys back on the point to prevent any damage or chances by the shorthanded team. Luke Adam needs to win more faceoffs as does Ville Leino. I'd like to see more of that from the centers.
Samson's Flow Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Aside from the shorties, which were due to bad positioning of a forward not covering the point or a bad play at the point with Vanek, the PP actually looked really good last night. The puck movement was excellent, and mostly outworked the Canes to loose pucks. They just didn't score a goal on the PP and that was in large part due to great saves by Ward. I thought the PP looked really good despite the poor defensive play allowing for the 4 shorthanded opportunities and 2 goals. So, the lesson is to play a bit more cautious and to not play an umbrella but to have two guys back on the point to prevent any damage or chances by the shorthanded team. Luke Adam needs to win more faceoffs as does Ville Leino. I'd like to see more of that from the centers. Agree totally. The movement on the PP was a far cry from last year where everyone just stood still and passed it around the point and half wall.
spndnchz Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 My only addition: Gerbe - Roy- Stafford were much better last night.
SabresFan526 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I am curious how social media will impact Shanny's decision on Bryan Allen. I just tweeted to him and mentioned him in some tweets showing the hit from last night. I'm curious if others have started a twitter movement to get Allen suspended and if that has any impact on what Shanahan does. Howard Simon posted an article on WGR about how some GMs are upset with him. But, if he suspends Bryan Allen, then I will be completely in his camp. What Boyes did is nowhere near as dirty as what Allen did last night and Allen should get a severe punishment. Join me in the twitter movement to get Allen suspended.
qwksndmonster Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 One thing that I noticed last night was how often Ehrhoff shot. In one of our power plays, I remember the Sabres taking 3 or 4 slappers in the first 30 seconds, all of which were taken by Ehrhoff except for one. It really did seem like they were listening to the drunken fan that was yelling "SHOOT!" On one hand, I loved the aggressiveness, but on the other hand, I would like to see Ehrhoff be a little more patient, so we can get more point shots through to the net. The puck movement was really good on the PP, and the goals will come... The biggest problem that needs to be addressed is the SH goals, but that will be addressed.
waldo Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 They looked like a team that has not skated in a week. Carolina was filling the lanes but the Sabres passing was not decisive and crisp. Five odd man rushes? Three on pp? Aggressive d downside? Big difference on the one pp unit when Ehrhoff is not out there. The announcer was correct, give the ref an assist on the short handed goal that went through Vanek . The ref's positioning last night was horrible. Their skates found the puck far too many times. Was it the ice or the teams legs that caused all of that unassisted i think i will loose and edge and fall down now. There are nights when fate refuses to let your edges hold but gee whiz. The game was as expected. Contested, physical and sloppy. Tonights game is a real test.. I do not expect big things but i am ...forever hopefull
Marvelo Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I took these posts as example: Do yo really believe that Miller must make the saves against these breakaways? He made one great save against a rush, but he got three of these rushes ( one was a 2 on 1 rush). No the chances are too big to really guarantee a save. These rushes are presents and they must not happen. That we lost this game is not the fault of Miller. Believe me Enroth would not have been better ( I am not sure about the grammar in this sentence, sorry if it is wrong). I'm worried about those long floaters getting by him, getting crossed up with his defensemen, freezing the puck on a pp, I thought he was a bit shaky....meanwhile Ward was outplaying him, making more saves and more difficult ones. Enroth has played well vs. Carolina I think.
inkman Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I am curious how social media will impact Shanny's decision on Bryan Allen. I just tweeted to him and mentioned him in some tweets showing the hit from last night. Join me in the twitter movement to get Allen suspended. The ridiculous twitter part aside, I didnt think the hit was too bad. The only thing that made it illegal was that Jason didn't have the puck. I just thought the hit looked way worse than it was because of the ping pong affect with Skinner then the ice.
Weave Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 The ridiculous twitter part aside, I didnt think the hit was too bad. The only thing that made it illegal was that Jason didn't have the puck. I just thought the hit looked way worse than it was because of the ping pong affect with Skinner then the ice. yep.
Braedon Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I agree with most of this post except the bolded part. The guys scored two goals (they did give him the one Roy got credit for right?) and I thought had a good game other than that stupid penalty. Edit: My bad, it was only the first goal but I thought he could of had a few. His pinch along the boards led to the first SHG. Not his best game, despite his offensive production. I liked the forecheck and tempo for the first half of the game. Pleasantly surprised by Boyes. Problem was what we gave up on the back end as the game when on. And Skinner was all over us; I forgot who was injured but Maurice switched up the lines at that point which seemed to ignite his play.
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