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Your saying that there are 15 goalies better than Rask in this league, right now? I get Miller, Thomas, Luongo (maybe) Rinne, Price, Niemi, Bryzgalov (maybe) quick, and I think that about covers them... might have missed a couple but Rask is a very good goalie and is a #1 on any team other than a team with a guy like Thomas...

 

Rask's regular season numbers the year Miller lost the series to him: 1.97gaa .931SV%

 

Also his losing streak is directly tied to the team in front of him which has been questionable at best for 3 of the last 4 years.

 

 

Exactly, there is more that goes into a playoff series than your goalie and the fact that Miller has had either no offensive support or as in last years case very little defensive support speaks more to the culture of the team and quality of the defense and forwards than it does reflect on miller... who btw has made some spectacular saves along the way to being called "one of the best goalies in the nhl" by numerous media outlets as well as players on every team in the NHL.

 

 

Dude if you don't think Bryzgalov and Luongo are better than Tukka Rask you don't know anything and are nothing more than an augmentative windbag.

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Dude if you don't think Bryzgalov and Luongo are better than Tukka Rask you don't know anything and are nothing more than an augmentative windbag.

 

He is an extra powerful windbag?

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Dude if you don't think Bryzgalov and Luongo are better than Tukka Rask you don't know anything and are nothing more than an augmentative windbag.

Luongo yes, bryzgalov probably not... prove it. Rask will be better and has been better than bryzgalov. Maybe bryz will do more this year with a better team but until that time I would take Rask over him. Why? Age, ability, past performance. Did you read my last post? Seriously? I was listing goalies better than Rask and LUONGO was one the first ones and i said bryzgalov (maybe) as it could be but i think Rask has more upside and Luongo just had a super choke in the finals... Rask's time will come after he Thomas retires and that is the only thing stopping Rask from being a starter. Thomas is the best goalie in the league and Rask gets to learn from him so I think that counts for something. You still have not come up with a list of 15 goalies better than Rask and thats the real convo we should be having.

 

 

As far as your windbag statement is concerned, fail

 

 

Back to Miller in the playoffs, you are asserting that Miller should have won a playoff series in the last 2 years even though in the boston series the entire team stunk and in the Philly series we had a defense comprised almost entirely of 1st and 2nd year guys? Look if he cant do it this year than yea I'll agree that maybe he is not our guy but until then this makes no sense and is supported by nothing other than your own conjecture. Miller was on teams both years that were vastly inferior to their opponents and I think making it to game 7 versus philly shows that Miller does have what it takes especially considering how his team left him out to die in game 7. You want to talk playoff suckage then lets the discuss the performance of guys like some of our forwards who did nothing come april.

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All this from an atheoretical log regression............

 

Too many variables, no way to compare findings. I'm fine with the simplicity of save percentage.

 

 

Take 06/07 out of Luongo's playoff portfolio (first year in VAN), and he hasn't been over .920 SV% or under 2.50 GA since. He can stand on his head.... case in point 4 SO in the playoffs last season. However, contrast that with the 2.90 GA for the other 21 games. 06/07 was an outlier for him; he's trending downward, which is exacerbated by the fact he's a total headcase.

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I've never been one to back down on the criticism of Miller over the years. I've never been a big fan of his 'holier than thou' attitude and his double standards. But there is one thing that Miller is very good at, he is probably one of the most consistent goaltenders in the league. I got to watch most of Luongo's career in Florida and even though he played on a couple of poor teams, he did play on a couple that were playoff potential. A couple of years they just barely missed. When Luongo played in FL he was (and still is) one of the most inconsistent goaltenders in the league and he was notorious for choking under pressure. He hasn't changed. When he was traded from FL and especially when he got that insane contract we all laughed because we knew what Vancouver had coming to them. Yes, Luongo's and Miller's stats are comparable but those are just averages. When you're as hot and cold as Luongo the numbers will average out but the true problem lies in the stretches of bad games he has. When Luongo is bad you're probably not going to win. When Miller is bad there is still a chance to win because his bad games do not even compare to Luongo's. I think it's really unfair to compare the two, it's apples vs. oranges. Seriously, how little can the coaches think of somebody like Luongo to bench him in the playoffs in favor of somebody he only had less than 30 games experience in the NHL? Let's not forget, Luongo was an OT goal from being knocked out in the first round of the playoffs......................... again.

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Oh I did, and Loungo could have played better. Still had 2 shutouts like our guy did, except our guy lost again in the 1st round.

 

Again if Luongo is overrated and has a much better resume than our guy, what does that make our guy? He's extremely overrated, don't quite understand why people can't see that.

 

Luongo had good games but collapsed in others, that was the problem. Also he was behind a much better team than Miller was.

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Not to mention Schneider is already getting starts in Van city. That can't bode well for Luongo's continued career.

 

You know what does bode well for his continued career though?

6,716,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

3,382,000

1,618,000

1,000,000

1,000,000

 

I don't know how they ever get away from that.

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You know what does bode well for his continued career though?

6,716,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

6,714,000

3,382,000

1,618,000

1,000,000

1,000,000

 

I don't know how they ever get away from that.

 

Whomever came up with that contract did not consult, or is not themselves, a "Capologist"!!

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Whomever came up with that contract did not consult, or is not themselves, a "Capologist"!!

 

A $5+ million cap hit for a deal that paid him $10 million the first year and then $6+ the next 7? It's fine. But either way, Luongo has a ton of security and can do just about whatever he wants.

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All this from an atheoretical log regression............

 

Too many variables, no way to compare findings. I'm fine with the simplicity of save percentage.

 

 

Take 06/07 out of Luongo's playoff portfolio (first year in VAN), and he hasn't been over .920 SV% or under 2.50 GA since. He can stand on his head.... case in point 4 SO in the playoffs last season. However, contrast that with the 2.90 GA for the other 21 games. 06/07 was an outlier for him; he's trending downward, which is exacerbated by the fact he's a total headcase.

 

Not to mention, if they're using NHL stats for shot locations it isn't completely accurate and is subject to human error. I have to admit I didn't read the study so I'm not positive on their data source.

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Not to mention, if they're using NHL stats for shot locations it isn't completely accurate and is subject to human error. I have to admit I didn't read the study so I'm not positive on their data source.

 

source espn.com's ice tracker, and they had to adjust Madison Square Garden games due to an observer bias.

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source espn.com's ice tracker, and they had to adjust Madison Square Garden games due to an observer bias.

 

OK, went back and read the guys paper. He aknowledges the human error factor and has even incorporated it into his model. I did find it interesting that ESPN GameCAst and NHL Ice Tracker data doesn't line up perfectly. I figured ESPN always just used the electronic scoring feeds from NHL.com. Anyone know where ESPN might otherwise generate their data? I'm guessing it's still from the NHL feed, just an incomplete data set.

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