Taro T Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Detroit with 20 straight home wins. Jeez. Detroit can break the record with a win Tuesday night over the Dallas Stars at Joe Louis Arena. Definitely impressive, but not as impressive, IMHO, as Filly winning 20 straight in '76. Nearly 16% of the league's games ended in ties that year and the Phlyers never even tied at home (much less lost) after the calender flipped into the Bicentenial year. If the Wings didn't have OT and SO wins amongst their 20, their feat would be more impressive than Filly's, again IMHO. As for '29-'30, Boston absolutely dominated the league in that 1st season with forward passing and the blue line off-sides then added midseason. But the Habs swept them in 2 in the Finals. Hard to compare that one to the Wings this year as the era was so different and there was such a massive alteration to the game in '29. Only Boston had averaged better than 2 gpg in '28-'29 (w/ a whopping 89 in 44 games) and nobody ended w/ double digits in '29-'30 and only the Habs kept their goals against under 100 (by all of 2).
darksabre Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Detroit with 20 straight home wins. Jeez. Detroit can break the record with a win Tuesday night over the Dallas Stars at Joe Louis Arena. And to think that they've been doing it with Joey MacDonald in net for the last three home games. That'd be like us starting Drew MacIntyre.
shrader Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 And to think that they've been doing it with Joey MacDonald in net for the last three home games. That'd be like us starting Drew MacIntyre. MacDonald does have quite a bit of experience though.
darksabre Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 MacDonald does have quite a bit of experience though. Sure, but he's still their 3rd string goalie.
shrader Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Sure, but he's still their 3rd string goalie. It does make you wonder what kind of goalie you would want as your #3. Personally I'd go with the experienced vet like MacDonald. But it does depend on what you have in your system.
apuszczalowski Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 It does make you wonder what kind of goalie you would want as your #3. Personally I'd go with the experienced vet like MacDonald. But it does depend on what you have in your system. Is he that much more experienced then Conklin, their current backup? And to tie in the previous post mentioning who you would want more as your 3rd, macDonald or MacIntyre The 2005–06 AHL season saw an influx of goaltenders into the Red Wings farm system and MacDonald competed to stay near the top. He split time with Drew MacIntyre and new prospect Jimmy Howard. MacDonald finished the season 17–9–2 in 32 games played. - From macDonalds Wikipedia page
darksabre Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 It does make you wonder what kind of goalie you would want as your #3. Personally I'd go with the experienced vet like MacDonald. But it does depend on what you have in your system. And in Detroit's case as of late, that doesn't even really matter. The went from Osgood and Hasek, to Osgood and Howard, to Howard and Conklin, to Howard, Conklin and MacDonald. That's a pretty solid set of serviceable goalies. Detroit just seems to be able to win no matter who is in net. It has been the case with Howard that his overall numbers aren't great, but his team scores enough to win games for him and he plays well enough to be the winningest goalie in the the league this season. I wish the Sabres were good enough to win games for their goalie when they have to.
apuszczalowski Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 And in Detroit's case as of late, that doesn't even really matter. The went from Osgood and Hasek, to Osgood and Howard, to Howard and Conklin, to Howard, Conklin and MacDonald. That's a pretty solid set of serviceable goalies. Detroit just seems to be able to win no matter who is in net. It has been the case with Howard that his overall numbers aren't great, but his team scores enough to win games for him and he plays well enough to be the winningest goalie in the the league this season. I wish the Sabres were good enough to win games for their goalie when they have to. well, if you can build a solid team in front of your goalie like Detroit has (and very few other teams can), you can put an average to good goalie in net and have huge success
darksabre Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 well, if you can build a solid team in front of your goalie like Detroit has (and very few other teams can), you can put an average to good goalie in net and have huge success I think Chicago and San Jose are examples of a similar concept. Niemi is no all star but he has done well for both of those teams. Crawford was a rookie last year and stole the show from Turco. Even St. Louis this year, with Halak and Elliot. Who would have expected that? Us? We have Ryan Miller. But we struggle to win games for him, and some would argue he is a better goalie than half the guys I just listed. The team in front of our goalies needs some help. Our little winning surge here doesn't change that fact.
deluca67 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Definitely impressive, but not as impressive, IMHO, as Filly winning 20 straight in '76. Nearly 16% of the league's games ended in ties that year and the Phlyers never even tied at home (much less lost) after the calender flipped into the Bicentenial year. If the Wings didn't have OT and SO wins amongst their 20, their feat would be more impressive than Filly's, again IMHO. As for '29-'30, Boston absolutely dominated the league in that 1st season with forward passing and the blue line off-sides then added midseason. But the Habs swept them in 2 in the Finals. Hard to compare that one to the Wings this year as the era was so different and there was such a massive alteration to the game in '29. Only Boston had averaged better than 2 gpg in '28-'29 (w/ a whopping 89 in 44 games) and nobody ended w/ double digits in '29-'30 and only the Habs kept their goals against under 100 (by all of 2). I didn't realize you once lived in Boston, how many games did you have a chance to go to during that streak? :rolleyes:
apuszczalowski Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 I think Chicago and San Jose are examples of a similar concept. Niemi is no all star but he has done well for both of those teams. Crawford was a rookie last year and stole the show from Turco. Even St. Louis this year, with Halak and Elliot. Who would have expected that? Us? We have Ryan Miller. But we struggle to win games for him, and some would argue he is a better goalie than half the guys I just listed. The team in front of our goalies needs some help. Our little winning surge here doesn't change that fact. When Chicago won they used the "Great team in front of decent goaltending" method, playing against the Flyers who also have used the similar method. Now Chicago continues to try and use that method but is currently looking to upgrade in net at the deadline cause they doon't feel Crawford and Emery will help them in the playoffs and want a solid veteran (like Nabokov who isn't available according to the Islanders). San Jose has Niemi now with a great team in front of him. the problem is that these days, with the salary cap, you have to pick and chose where to spend. You can stack your guys up front and find scraps to put in net, or you can build from the net out. Both can lead to success with the right mix of players. Buffalo was lucky when they had Hasek that they could still go REALLY cheap out front with him because he was so great in net. Boston right now is also just as lucky, they have a great team up front, and a great goalie, its one reason why they look like they could repeat. Buffalo needs to upgrade the talent in front of Miller if they want any chance to succeed. Their best players are probably Myers, Vanek, and Pomminstein, and non of them right now would be considered in the "elite" category of the league. Vaneks a great player, Pomminstein is good too, and Myers has the potential to be elite, but non of them are actually at that level. I disagree with your comment about St. louis though, Halak is a good goaltender, he showed signs in Montreal of it and there were many fans that believed they gave away teh wrong goalie in that trade. Some say the only reason he was dealt is because Price was younger and believed to have more potential. Elliott on the otherhand was a bit of a surprise, but at times he showed signs of potential in Ottawa too, but maybe not "All Star" signs
Weave Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 Wow Chz, usually you are on top of this stuff. #NHLDucks acquire center Riley Holzapfel from Winnipeg in exchange for center Maxime Macenauer. Details coming soon.
spndnchz Posted February 14, 2012 Author Report Posted February 14, 2012 Wow Chz, usually you are on top of this stuff. #NHLDucks acquire center Riley Holzapfel from Winnipeg in exchange for center Maxime Macenauer. Details coming soon. I know. Huge moves going on and I'm sleeping next to Darcy. There is a lot of chatter going on right now between GM's. We'll see. When the dominoes start to fall it seems they will fall quickly. Prices have yet to be set.
Andrew Amerk Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 Detroit was able to win Stanley Cups with whatshisname as goalie.
JJFIVEOH Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 Investing in a goalie for the playoffs is hit or miss and extremely high risk. How often do we see teams go on a tear in the playoffs NOT because of a talented goaltender, but because of a HOT goaltender. Go look at the goalie stats from the playoffs two years ago. Not to mention last year with Roloson and Luongo. Roloson was standing on his head but would you rely on him to get you through the season? Luongo was absolutely terrible, Vancouver didn't make it to the finals because of him. Halak? Mason? Leighton? Leclair? Roloson? Crawford? Seriousy? These are all non-superstar goaltender who were in the top 5 in playoff stats over the last couple of years.
spndnchz Posted February 14, 2012 Author Report Posted February 14, 2012 I'm waiting to see what the injury to Tuomo Ruutu was last night. That certainly impacts the market if it's something that keeps him out more than 2 weeks. If he was being shopped as reports said he was then teams will be forced to look down the list a bit... could be beneficial. I think any trade for Nash will be monumental and I think CBJ can pull it off. They've been perennial cellar dwellers and sometimes you just have to make a move. Depending on what comes back it could work out just fine. I can only imagine the list of teams he would consider moving to and those teams being in a position to move enough back to CBJ. Rutherford said a few days ago that they weren't looking to trade him but wanted to re-sign him.
LTS Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 Rutherford said a few days ago that they weren't looking to trade him but wanted to re-sign him. Missed that.. could be jobbing the market to try and raise trade offers.. either way, him off the market is good for the Sabres. Thanks for the info!
2ForTripping Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 Rutherford said a few days ago that they weren't looking to trade him but wanted to re-sign him. yeah... GM's are going to tip their hand....
Lanny Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 yeah... GM's are going to tip their hand.... If he said it, he said it. "These meetings are to see where the player is at, what they think of the team, whether he likes being in the organization, those things," Rutherford said by phone from Denver, Colo. "Tuomo is a player we really like, and he said he likes being with the team. That's an important first step and we had a good meeting. "The next hurdle may be the bigger hurdle, but at least we know we're on the same page." Read more here: http://www.newsobser...l#storylink=cpy Seems as though it could be similar to the situation the Sabres had with Connolly a few years ago where if they can't get an extension prior to the deadline they deal him.
Eleven Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 Rutherford said a few days ago that they weren't looking to trade him but wanted to re-sign him. yeah... GM's are going to tip their hand.... Carolina also wasn't getting what it deemed to be sufficient consideration in any of the trade offers it received.
2ForTripping Posted February 14, 2012 Report Posted February 14, 2012 If he said it, he said it. Seems as though it could be similar to the situation the Sabres had with Connolly a few years ago where if they can't get an extension prior to the deadline they deal him. You believe him "Lanny"..... these GM's are all as crooked as a dogs hind leg and speak in riddles even more so @ this time of the year.
Bmwolf21 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 I posted this in the NJD GDT but it warrants posting here too (IMO): This is how you handle a "superstar" who won't play hard and floats through the game: The burly winger has been a healthy scratch for the last two games and only received 11:25 minutes of ice time in his last appearance, so it seems like he’s floating out of the Los Angeles Kings’ picture again. Matt Reitz caught up with Darryl Sutter, who provided a very blunt assessment of Penner: Q: What’s the scenario for Penner right now? What’s the message or what do you need to see? Sutter: “Work your ass off. Then you get a chance to play again. If you don’t, you don’t. It’s pretty clear.” Q: Is he back to square one as far as that’s concerned? Sutter: “I think when you’re told to work your ass off, that IS square one.” http://prohockeytalk...ks-his-ass-off/
darksabre Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 I would just like to point out that the Red Wings are unreal.
Two or less Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 I would just like to point out that the Red Wings are unreal. ... at home. On the road, they are just .500. Paul Byron penalty shot goal... http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=157714&navid=DL|CGY|home And the Flames now just 3 points out of 6th place in the West. Who would have expected they'd be in such a position and we'd be in our position when we traded for Regehr ??
darksabre Posted February 15, 2012 Report Posted February 15, 2012 ... at home. On the road, they are just .500. Paul Byron penalty shot goal... http://video.flames....vid=DL|CGY|home And the Flames now just 3 points out of 6th place in the West. Who would have expected they'd be in such a position and we'd be in our position when we traded for Regehr ?? You know what's worse than that? Chris Butler's numbers are by and far better than Regehr's. :sick: And Regehr is on pace for his worst season in 10 years. And he's the guy people want to be captain. Double :sick:
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