darksabre Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 "Dirty", IMO, usually includes a level of intent. I don't share your opinion in regards to the leg contact. You implied that it was deliberate, at least that is how I read it. I thought the leg contact was incidental. That's where we differ I suppose. I saw the leg contact as intentional in order to gain position on the Rangers player and take away his balance.
spndnchz Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Posted January 21, 2012 Briere out with concussion. Instant salary cap relief.
deluca67 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Instant salary cap relief. Maybe they would want Lieno back now?
Weave Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 Maybe they would want Lieno back now? Leino is a natural center. Seems like a good fit. :ph34r:
deluca67 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 Leino is a natural center. Seems like a good fit. :ph34r: Cash value wise, Lieno ($6 mil) is making $1 million less than Briere ($7 mil).
SwampD Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 They didn't call boarding. The call was a charge. Not every aggressive play is dirty. Ference was the puck carrier on the play, moved the puck ahead and went after it. Ference had a great deal of speed behind him and caught the Ranger on a bad angle. It was careless and worthy of a penalty, even an extra game by the league, that doesn't make it dirty. I just watched the game and didn't think it was either. Am I the only one who thinks that McDonagh should have turned to play Ference instead of turning to the boards to play the puck? On another note, Marchand is a punk. During one of the scrums in front of the net, he reaches in and punches a Ranger in the 'nads.
Bmwolf21 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I just watched the game and didn't think it was either. Am I the only one who thinks that McDonagh should have turned to play Ference instead of turning to the boards to play the puck? On another note, Marchand is a punk. During one of the scrums in front of the net, he reaches in and punches a Ranger in the 'nads. Clearly he was just defending himself.
darksabre Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 Clearly he was just defending himself. Claude Julien probably doesn't see what the problem is.
JJFIVEOH Posted January 22, 2012 Report Posted January 22, 2012 I just saw the hit for the first time. As much as it pains me to defend the Bruins for the second time in two weeks, Ference barely touched McDonough and to me it didn't look malicious. This league is getting out of control with borderline suspensions while they allow blatantly obvious cheap shots get by. The Bruins have committed many infractions that are suspension worthy over the last couple of years that don't even get a second look. But this one should not have been given 3 games IMO. This league has a serious lack of consistency.
spndnchz Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Posted January 22, 2012 I just saw the hit for the first time. As much as it pains me to defend the Bruins for the second time in two weeks, Ference barely touched McDonough and to me it didn't look malicious. This league is getting out of control with borderline suspensions while they allow blatantly obvious cheap shots get by. The Bruins have committed many infractions that are suspension worthy over the last couple of years that don't even get a second look. But this one should not have been given 3 games IMO. This league has a serious lack of consistency. Read the rules.
deluca67 Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Read the rules. Which rule should he look at? He brings up a great point. There is a difference between incidents that happen during the flow of the game and blatant cheap shots. Though the results are similar should the penalty be the same?
bunomatic Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Which rule should he look at? He brings up a great point. There is a difference between incidents that happen during the flow of the game and blatant cheap shots. Though the results are similar should the penalty be the same? Also. When has the N.H.L. ever enforced the rules as they're written and with any consistency?
shrader Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 How exactly can anyone defend that hit? He's staring straight into his numbers. And if you want to make the "too fast to stop" defense, take a look at Krecji after the hit. He stopped.
JJFIVEOH Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 How exactly can anyone defend that hit? He's staring straight into his numbers. And if you want to make the "too fast to stop" defense, take a look at Krecji after the hit. He stopped. Of course his intention was to hit him. There's no doubting that. But he hardly touched him. Watch this video and see the angle from the camera atop the glass near the very end. Ference barely touched him. McDonaugh would have hit the glass awkwardly regardless of whether he was hit or not. He was lying on the ice like he hurt his head when in fact his head never even hit the glass. His knee hit the boards but the trainer wasn't even tending to that. Don't get me wrong Boston is a dirty team. But we all complain about Kaleta getting treated unfairly, that should apply to everybody not just our team. I want a fair and consistent league, not a biased league. It's getting to the point where guys are afraid to hit anybody out of fear the officials will look at it the wrong way. If the league keeps penalizing players for clean and non-malicious hits the NHL will turn a non-contact league.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Of course his intention was to hit him. There's no doubting that. But he hardly touched him. Watch this video and see the angle from the camera atop the glass near the very end. Ference barely touched him. McDonaugh would have hit the glass awkwardly regardless of whether he was hit or not. He was lying on the ice like he hurt his head when in fact his head never even hit the glass. His knee hit the boards but the trainer wasn't even tending to that. Don't get me wrong Boston is a dirty team. But we all complain about Kaleta getting treated unfairly, that should apply to everybody not just our team. I want a fair and consistent league, not a biased league. It's getting to the point where guys are afraid to hit anybody out of fear the officials will look at it the wrong way. If the league keeps penalizing players for clean and non-malicious hits the NHL will turn a non-contact league. That would be FANTASTIC news for our current team, would it not? ;) As to the last part, I still maintain it's way too hard to objectively determine what is or is not malicious. I also believe that's part of the reason the league is so inconsistent...the more that's left to judgment calls in each individual case, the more inconsistency there will be.
JJFIVEOH Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 That would be FANTASTIC news for our current team, would it not? ;) As to the last part, I still maintain it's way too hard to objectively determine what is or is not malicious. I also believe that's part of the reason the league is so inconsistent...the more that's left to judgment calls in each individual case, the more inconsistency there will be. True. When the officials on the ice have to make a snap decision without seeing every angle of the infraction, of course they're going to get it wrong sometimes. But for Shanny to keep with the inconsistency is unacceptable. Which is why I disagree with game misconducts. If the refs think it was blatant give him 5 and let the opposing team take care of it when he gets out of the box. If the league let the players police themselves these hits wouldn't be as commonplace. If a player (notnecessarily in this case) knows he'll get kicked out of a game then he has no reason to worry about retaliation. But, I digress, that's a different thread for another day. BTW, what happened to spell check?
TrueBlueGED Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Does anybody think the suspensions will start hurting Boston? Not because of time missed, but a negative psychological effect? Not discounting their overall team skill level at all, but a big part of their game is relentless physicality. With Marchand, Lucic and now Ference getting suspensions recently, I could definitely see the team starting to think a little bit more as opposed to just playing their game.
JJFIVEOH Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 I don't see them changing much. I think they might tone it down a bit for a while, especially when they have the division wrapped up. They'll just turn it up for the playoffs. I don't think they have many injuries so suspensions shouldn't hurt them too bad.
bunomatic Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 I don't see them changing much. I think they might tone it down a bit for a while, especially when they have the division wrapped up. They'll just turn it up for the playoffs. I don't think they have many injuries so suspensions shouldn't hurt them too bad. Agreed. They keep plugging along and the dastardly deeds worked for them last year so they'll use the same strategy again no doubt. They don't have to worry about the league calling more infractions in the playoffs because historically its been the opposite.
shrader Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Catching Columbus is going to be tough, so at this point, I'm kind of hoping Pegula can pay off the guy who runs the draft lottery and land us the #1 pick.
nobody Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Back to hockey: TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie Three game suspension for Alexander Ovechkin.
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 23, 2012 Report Posted January 23, 2012 Back to hockey: TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie Three game suspension for Alexander Ovechkin. For what?
sabresnutinphoenix Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 1 - 2 - we want the 3rd pick in the draft....If Carolina wins, that's where we'd be picking if draft were today...Anyone care?
Samson's Flow Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 1 - 2 - we want the 3rd pick in the draft....If Carolina wins, that's where we'd be picking if draft were today...Anyone care? The next GM of the sabres certainly cares... for a prospective GM coming in, this gig doesn't look too bad. Early draft pick in the 1st round of next year's draft, high spending owner, expiring contracts, young talent stocked in the AHL
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