deluca67 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 Scratch Roy and replace with Vanek. No one WANTS Roy as the centre piece of a deal for their captain and franchise player, it might be the player they end up with if the GM sweetens the deal enough with high draft picks and some top level prospects. I would love to see them make an attempt to get any or all of the Staal brothers, but Darcy is probably scouring the other teams rosters for busts/underachievers just looking to breakout with a change of scenery in Buffalo instead I Agree. Why do fans think Roy has the value to get a Staal or any other player of value in return? Roy at this point is an add in.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 I Agree. Why do fans think Roy has the value to get a Staal or any other player of value in return? Roy at this point is an add in. No idea why anyone thinks he can be the centerpiece of a package to get Staal, Getzlaf, Spezza or whoever. But, I think he absolutely has value to a win now team that needs a #2 center, and has good center depth as an organization. Unlike Stafford, Roy actually has a history of putting up great value for his contract, so it's a lot easier to think he just needs a change of scenery. If a team is a contender, has a clear #1 center and 2-3 top-6 center prospects, I think we could definitely pry away one of the prospects and maybe a mid-round pick for Roy. But yea, anybody who thinks he can be the key piece of a blockbuster trade for a #1 center is living in fantasy land. Edit: Kyle Turris has accomplished NOTHING as a pro (other than being a prima donna), and still managed to garner Ottawa's top defensive prospect and a 2nd round pick.
RazielSabre Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 I Agree. Why do fans think Roy has the value to get a Staal or any other player of value in return? Roy at this point is an add in. I still think we could get him without getting rid of Van, Myers or Miller.
apuszczalowski Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 I still think we could get him without getting rid of Van, Myers or Miller. Of course you could, but its going to involve a large quantity of picks and high level prospects to do it Edit: Kyle Turris has accomplished NOTHING as a pro (other than being a prima donna), and still managed to garner Ottawa's top defensive prospect and a 2nd round pick. But Turris is still very young and is considered to have alot of potential/upside. He has played in less then 3 NHL seasons, Roy has played at the NHL level for about a decade of up and down play. Theres not much "upside/potential" left at that point
TrueBlueGED Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 But Turris is still very young and is considered to have alot of potential/upside. He has played in less then 3 NHL seasons, Roy has played at the NHL level for about a decade of up and down play. Theres not much "upside/potential" left at that point Turris is young and has upside, but still, in under 3 seasons he has never topped 25 points. Luke Adam is going to top 25 points this year, Ennis had 49 as a rookie last year and some want to trade him because he's small and has some nebulous attitude problem like Roy/Stafford or is Max 2.0, or whatever. With Turris' mighty production, he holds out for more money? Seriously? With him you're banking ENTIRELY on potential, seeing as his production was sad and he clearly has some attitude issues if he thinks he was in any position to hold out. And he got a semi-rebuilding team's TOP defensive prospect AND a 2nd round pick. Roy is going to get you 60-70 points a year, he has PROVEN this. Yea, we may hate some of his lazy play and lack of tenacity along the boards, but for a win now team that needs a center to help them win a Cup, he's worth MORE than Turris. Again, I don't think he has star value and certainly doesn't have value for a rebuilding team. But a top-6 center prospect and a mid-round pick is reasonable from a team in the right situation.
apuszczalowski Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 Turris is young and has upside, but still, in under 3 seasons he has never topped 25 points. Luke Adam is going to top 25 points this year, Ennis had 49 as a rookie last year and some want to trade him because he's small and has some nebulous attitude problem like Roy/Stafford or is Max 2.0, or whatever. With Turris' mighty production, he holds out for more money? Seriously? With him you're banking ENTIRELY on potential, seeing as his production was sad and he clearly has some attitude issues if he thinks he was in any position to hold out. And he got a semi-rebuilding team's TOP defensive prospect AND a 2nd round pick. Roy is going to get you 60-70 points a year, he has PROVEN this. Yea, we may hate some of his lazy play and lack of tenacity along the boards, but for a win now team that needs a center to help them win a Cup, he's worth MORE than Turris. Again, I don't think he has star value and certainly doesn't have value for a rebuilding team. But a top-6 center prospect and a mid-round pick is reasonable from a team in the right situation. Not saying it isn't for Roy, but the key word in that is PROSPECT, not a current Topic 6 forward in the NHL. Turris is being credited for the turnaround in Ottawa right now because they saw a missing piece being a 2nd line C, and he has come in and fit that role well for them.
LabattBlue Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 Turris is young and has upside, but still, in under 3 seasons he has never topped 25 points. Luke Adam is going to top 25 points this year, Ennis had 49 as a rookie last year and some want to trade him because he's small and has some nebulous attitude problem like Roy/Stafford or is Max 2.0, or whatever. With Turris' mighty production, he holds out for more money? Seriously? With him you're banking ENTIRELY on potential, seeing as his production was sad and he clearly has some attitude issues if he thinks he was in any position to hold out. And he got a semi-rebuilding team's TOP defensive prospect AND a 2nd round pick. Roy is going to get you 60-70 points a year, he has PROVEN this. Yea, we may hate some of his lazy play and lack of tenacity along the boards, but for a win now team that needs a center to help them win a Cup, he's worth MORE than Turris. Again, I don't think he has star value and certainly doesn't have value for a rebuilding team. But a top-6 center prospect and a mid-round pick is reasonable from a team in the right situation. In fairness to Turris, he has played two seasons(not three) with the Coyotes playing in 63 & 65 games. Also, in terms of the hold out, it could have been his agent giving him bad advice....really bad advice.
Eleven Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 In fairness to Turris, he has played two seasons(not three) with the Coyotes playing in 63 & 65 games. Also, in terms of the hold out, it could have been his agent giving him bad advice....really bad advice. In further fairness to Turris, he clearly wanted the hell out of Arizona. May have been the case with another young Coyote years ago, too.
Weave Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 No idea why anyone thinks he can be the centerpiece of a package to get Staal, Getzlaf, Spezza or whoever. But, I think he absolutely has value to a win now team that needs a #2 center, and has good center depth as an organization. Unlike Stafford, Roy actually has a history of putting up great value for his contract, so it's a lot easier to think he just needs a change of scenery. If a team is a contender, has a clear #1 center and 2-3 top-6 center prospects, I think we could definitely pry away one of the prospects and maybe a mid-round pick for Roy. But yea, anybody who thinks he can be the key piece of a blockbuster trade for a #1 center is living in fantasy land. Edit: Kyle Turris has accomplished NOTHING as a pro (other than being a prima donna), and still managed to garner Ottawa's top defensive prospect and a 2nd round pick. The wildcard in establishing Roy's value is whether or not he has a rep around the league as a bad personality to have around. If he has a bad rep I could see his real value being a good bit below what hi spoint history might suggest. I should think that any team that has SC aspirations won't want a cancer added to the team. If he doesn't have any rep he should be very valuable as trade bait. We all have our suspicions about Roy's personality, none of us know what his rep is league-wide. That is why I am loathe to speculate on actual trade proposals that come up in this forum.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 The wildcard in establishing Roy's value is whether or not he has a rep around the league as a bad personality to have around. If he has a bad rep I could see his real value being a good bit below what hi spoint history might suggest. I should think that any team that has SC aspirations won't want a cancer added to the team. If he doesn't have any rep he should be very valuable as trade bait. We all have our suspicions about Roy's personality, none of us know what his rep is league-wide. That is why I am loathe to speculate on actual trade proposals that come up in this forum. Very true. A team with a great leadership in the locker room may not be so concerned about it, and may view his upside to help on the ice offensively as more important anyway. It's not like he's a 4th line cancer. But you're right, we have no way of knowing exactly what his reputation is, and if it's bad, just how bad it is.
Bmwolf21 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 Ouch. DAMN. I think I would be wearing the helmet and full cage everytime I stepped out on the ice. That is nasty.
darksabre Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 DAMN. I think I would be wearing the helmet and full cage everytime I stepped out on the ice. That is nasty. Every time I think about not wearing a cage, I take a stick in the yap and remember why my helmet with the visor is sitting at home collecting dust.
spndnchz Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Posted January 19, 2012 That's some funny stuff right there.
Bmwolf21 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Posted January 19, 2012 That's some funny stuff right there. http://youtu.be/npn0dyhSyr0 :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:
Eleven Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 When Jon Stewart actually turns his attention to ice hockey, you know there are some shenanigans (did I misspell Shanahan again?) afoot.
darksabre Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 When Jon Stewart actually turns his attention to ice hockey, you know there are some shenanigans (did I misspell Shanahan again?) afoot. It's a fake :thumbsup:
Eleven Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 It's a fake :thumbsup: Dammit. #fishedin
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 Tallinder out 2 months with veinsveinsveins bloodclot.
darksabre Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 Dammit. #fishedin Haha either way it's excellent.
RazielSabre Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 That's some funny stuff right there. http://youtu.be/npn0dyhSyr0 Thats gold.
spndnchz Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Posted January 20, 2012 Julien and Tortorella named coaches for All Star Game. Anaheim signs Francois Beauchemin to a three-year contract extension worth $3.5M per season.
Bmwolf21 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Antropov fines $2500 for boarding Brennan. http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/antropov_fined_2500/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Iron Crotch Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Per multiple sources, Carolina has traded Alexei Ponikarovsky to the Devils for a 2012 4th round pick and Albany D Joe Sova.
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