Wraith Posted December 5, 2011 Report Posted December 5, 2011 What are players supposed to do? Just stop driving towards the net? I can see that this running into the goalie garbage is becoming a witch hunt. Booth did nothing wrong. Booth is not a Tootoo and has concussion problems of his own. He drove wide and drove towards the net. The fact that Calgary didn't get a ruffing penalty is a joke. Don't be a simpleton. Of course players are still allowed to drive the net. If they screw it up and hit the goalie in the process, they get punished for it.
deluca67 Posted December 5, 2011 Report Posted December 5, 2011 A witch hunt? So goalies should be fair game in their own crease? If so, we will need expanded roster limits so every team can have the four or five goalies necessary to get through a game. Now you are just being consistent for the sake of being consistent. It detracts from the credibility of your other consistent positions. I'll give you this: it's a better way to increase scoring than larger nets. Please. Contact with goalies is nothing new. If a player hits a goalie it's up to the team to take care of and some how teams have managed to survive without five goalies. As far as the rest of your silliness I went ahead and fixed that for you. No need to thank me. :thumbsup:
deluca67 Posted December 5, 2011 Report Posted December 5, 2011 Don't be a simpleton. Of course players are still allowed to drive the net. If they screw it up and hit the goalie in the process, they get punished for it. The punishment should come from the team not the league. Take care of your own business, it's as simple as that.
SwampD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 Please. Contact with goalies is nothing new. If a player hits a goalie it's up to the team to take care of and some how teams have managed to survive without five goalies. As far as the rest of your silliness I went ahead and fixed that for you. No need to thank me. :thumbsup: While contact with the goalie might not be new, what Tootoo did to Miller was FAR from ordinary. I just think it was lessened because of how completely Lucic destroyed Miller with his hit (which is saying something). Tootoo's hit wasn't simply a matter of him "driving the net".
shrader Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 The punishment should come from the team not the league. Take care of your own business, it's as simple as that. So why even have penalties?
X. Benedict Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 So why even have penalties? In the new XNHL it will be pro-wrestlers on skates.
deluca67 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 While contact with the goalie might not be new, what Tootoo did to Miller was FAR from ordinary. I just think it was lessened because of how completely Lucic destroyed Miller with his hit (which is saying something). Tootoo's hit wasn't simply a matter of him "driving the net". If Tootoo gets suspended it should be because he left his feet. If he would have just skated into Miller it would be nothing more than a 2 minute penalty. Going back to the Booth play. It was a 2 minute penalty and deserves nothing more.
deluca67 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 So why even have penalties? There is a huge difference between penalties and supplemental discipline. What Tootoo did was covered by the 5 minutes, the game misconduct and the Sabres reaction. That should be it. Any supplemental action at this point is gratuitous.
Eleven Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 DeLuca, you're so freaking anti-Sabres at this point that I don't even know what to say anymore. Tootoo freaking ran all over a rule and all over Miller. He's a known thug. If it were Kaleta and Luongo, you'd be screaming for a suspension. You're twisted right now; I ask that you readjust.
Weave Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 DeLuca, you're so freaking anti-Sabres at this point that I don't even know what to say anymore. Tootoo freaking ran all over a rule and all over Miller. He's a known thug. If it were Kaleta and Luongo, you'd be screaming for a suspension. You're twisted right now; I ask that you readjust. I see and agree with DeLuca's POV here and noone is going to accuse me of being a Sabre hater. I simply did not find Tootoo's actions to be egregious enough to be suspension-worthy. I feel the same about the Lucic hit as well. 5 and a game is mor ethan enough really. I don't get the outrage. I really don't. About the only point I heard that I can agree with is Ruff's rant about the 1 minute powerplay. I get that. It pissed me off too. But supplemental discipline for a charge that didn't involve the side boards? Meh.
deluca67 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 DeLuca, you're so freaking anti-Sabres at this point that I don't even know what to say anymore. Tootoo freaking ran all over a rule and all over Miller. He's a known thug. If it were Kaleta and Luongo, you'd be screaming for a suspension. You're twisted right now; I ask that you readjust. Am I anti-Calgary Flame as well? It comes down to this, If the Sabres would have addressed Lucic the Tootoo play never happens. I'm sick of hearing Lindy crying about protecting goalies when he and his team didn't even think enough to protect their own goalie. Calgary, and most teams, protect their goalies and don't need to be embarrassed into doing it. I'm not anti-Sabres. I'm anti-Regier, Anti-Ruff and anti-60% of this roster. It's the same old crap we have been watching. I'll "readjust" once some actual changes are made. I start posting positive when there are positives to post about. It's tiring watching the same crap game in and game out and even more so reading the same old posts with the same old excuses over and over again. This team continually plays without passion and urgency. And fans on these boards continue to excuse it away. I'm not going to excuse it away. There are too many that do, there needs to be more that don't.
deluca67 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 I see and agree with DeLuca's POV here and noone is going to accuse me of being a Sabre hater. I simply did not find Tootoo's actions to be egregious enough to be suspension-worthy. I feel the same about the Lucic hit as well. 5 and a game is mor ethan enough really. I don't get the outrage. I really don't. About the only point I heard that I can agree with is Ruff's rant about the 1 minute powerplay. I get that. It pissed me off too. But supplemental discipline for a charge that didn't involve the side boards? Meh. You know what the outrage is Weave, it's a way to excuse what the Sabres didn't do with Lucic. Just like what Lindy and the Sabres tried to do right after the Lucic hit this is a smoke screen to distract from the lack of toughness on this team. See how the conversation has shifted from the Sabres lack of response to the League needing to implement supplemental discipline everytime a goalie is touched.
X. Benedict Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 You know what the outrage is Weave, it's a way to excuse what the Sabres didn't do with Lucic. Just like what Lindy and the Sabres tried to do right after the Lucic hit this is a smoke screen to distract from the lack of toughness on this team. See how the conversation has shifted from the Sabres lack of response to the League needing to implement supplemental discipline everytime a goalie is touched. High hits are being adequately addressed by the league. And rightly so IMO. But goaltenders shouldn't have the same protection? They aren't cutting across the middle with their head up. They are almost always avoidable. Brain injuries can be prevented and should be. They are much more offensive to me than anything that can be said to a player which you want suspensions for. Concussions aren't about toughness. They are brain injuries. They will happen, but if the league doesn't get them out of the game where they can, they are negligent and deserve a billion dollar law suit by former players families shutting the league down.
SwampD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 Am I anti-Calgary Flame as well? It comes down to this, If the Sabres would have addressed Lucic the Tootoo play never happens. I'm sick of hearing Lindy crying about protecting goalies when he and his team didn't even think enough to protect their own goalie. Calgary, and most teams, protect their goalies and don't need to be embarrassed into doing it. I'm not anti-Sabres. I'm anti-Regier, Anti-Ruff and anti-60% of this roster. It's the same old crap we have been watching. I'll "readjust" once some actual changes are made. I start posting positive when there are positives to post about. It's tiring watching the same crap game in and game out and even more so reading the same old posts with the same old excuses over and over again. This team continually plays without passion and urgency. And fans on these boards continue to excuse it away. I'm not going to excuse it away. There are too many that do, there needs to be more that don't. That's all well and good, and I agree with it. And again, I don't think he should be suspended (Lucic either), But what I can't stand is BS. I don't want to hear from Tootoo that he was just playing the puck and ran out of room or that he was pushed into Miller by the Sabre. He stopped playing the puck and made a decision to hit Miller. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear that Lucic looked up and saw how close he was to Miller and couldn't stop. B...S...! They both knew exactly what they were doing and they both made a conscious decision to stop playing the puck and hit a goalie. Fine. They both got penalties. But if it keeps happening, and it looks like it might (just as Ruff said it would) then it is the league's responsibility to step in and hand down stiffer penalties to try and stop it.
Weave Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 High hits are being adequately addressed by the league. And rightly so IMO. But goaltenders shouldn't have the same protection? They aren't cutting across the middle with their head up. They are almost always avoidable. Brain injuries can be prevented and should be. They are much more offensive to me than anything that can be said to a player which you want suspensions for. Concussions aren't about toughness. They are brain injuries. They will happen, but if the league doesn't get them out of the game where they can, they are negligent and deserve a billion dollar law suit by former players families shutting the league down. It may be a little semantic-al but it isn't high hits that are being targeted, it is head hits that are being targeted. Was Miller hit in the head by Tootoo? I don't recall it going down that way.
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 Tootoo goes into Miller with Ehrhoff's stick hooked into him. He leaps in the air with his arms up as to not elbow or shoulder the goalie and rotates away from the crease. Miller pounds Tootoo a dozen times with two weapons still on his hands. Gaustad is removed from the scrum and jumps in again. WTF does everyone want? If the ref wasn't so "understanding" of the soup de jour which is protecting goalies, it could have been 2 for hooking on Ehrhoff, 2 for goaltender interference on Tootoo, 5 minutes for fighting for Miller, and 4 minutes for Gaustad. Lindy is just a whiner, plain and simple. Play the game and let the players take care of it. Maybe if Gaustad had that extra 15lbs on him from 5 years ago, he wouldn't have done his shoulder in the scrum. Maybe he would have "seen" Lucic the first time and done what needed to be done and the other night wouldn't have been an issue. Get ready for more of it. Philly is very sympathetic to Miller and Lindy's tears of a clown tour I am sure. While I'm at it, I'm pretty sure Lindy got desperate in the Detroit game and told his players to take a dive to try and get something going. Roy had his best since circa '05 and even Hecht tried a Triple Lindy.
X. Benedict Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 It may be a little semantic-al but it isn't high hits that are being targeted, it is head hits that are being targeted. Was Miller hit in the head by Tootoo? I don't recall it going down that way. Yes, Head hits. (I've been talking to Rugby players today) It looked like Tootoo contacted the head...if the puck doesn't come off the stick Miller, Miller has his hands down and has to eat that head first. It's dirty. The response was good. But it should still be a suspension.
deluca67 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 That's all well and good, and I agree with it. And again, I don't think he should be suspended (Lucic either), But what I can't stand is BS. I don't want to hear from Tootoo that he was just playing the puck and ran out of room or that he was pushed into Miller by the Sabre. He stopped playing the puck and made a decision to hit Miller. Plain and simple. I don't want to hear that Lucic looked up and saw how close he was to Miller and couldn't stop. B...S...! They both knew exactly what they were doing and they both made a conscious decision to stop playing the puck and hit a goalie. Fine. They both got penalties. But if it keeps happening, and it looks like it might (just as Ruff said it would) then it is the league's responsibility to step in and hand down stiffer penalties to try and stop it. Everyone needs to ask themselves one question. Why the Sabres? It's not just coincidence. It's a league wide epidemic that only seems to effecting the Sabres.
X. Benedict Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 Everyone needs to ask themselves one question. Why the Sabres? It's not just coincidence. It's a league wide epidemic that only seems to effecting the Sabres.
bunomatic Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPhoG3kcAc Agreed x that its not only affecting the Sabres. It will become league wide and Shammy will have one big hornets nest on his hands that he could have put a stop to with a 1 or 2 game suspension to Lucic. At the same time the Sabres management is negligent in not having a roster that is able to take this into their own hands and police this situation themselves. Regiers and Ruffs problem is they are waiting for and expecting the league to protect their players when the league has never been good at protecting the players.
deluca67 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPhoG3kcAc You honestly believe that play had the same intent has the two hits on Miller?
SwampD Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 You honestly believe that play had the same intent has the two hits on Miller? Uh, oh. You've argued yourself into a corner. The answer is no and that is exactly the reason why one hit is suspendable (possibly) and the other is not.
FolignosJock Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 You honestly believe that play had the same intent has the two hits on Miller? Uh, oh. You've argued yourself into a corner. The answer is no and that is exactly the reason why one hit is suspendable (possibly) and the other is not. Exactly! I dont think that he would be suspended if he would have done what david booth did in the video above. The INTENT was there which is exactly what you point out de luca. He leapt at miller and I dont believe it was to avoid him, he intended to hit him high and he def made contact with millers head. I also agree that if there would have been a response to the Lucic hit this wouldnt have happened.... but then again even if miller had gotten a concussion in another way I think that Tootoo would have targeted that with his team down looking for a spark.
Bmwolf21 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Posted December 6, 2011 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382060 No real surprise here: Boogaard's brain shows signs of CTE: NEW YORK -- Rangers enforcer Derek Boogaard suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a degenerative brain ailment related to Alzheimer's disease that is caused by repeated blows to the head, the New York Times reported.
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