HopefulFuture Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 Turris Signs 2 year extension, Dregger reports. Rumor is trade is coming. With who? Don't know, but Nashville just waived Bergfors. Hoping it's Buffalo.
thesportsbuff Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 Turris Signs 2 year extension, Dregger reports. Rumor is trade is coming. With who? Don't know, but Nashville just waived Bergfors. Hoping it's Buffalo. I want nothing to do with Turris at this point. I'm sorry but a young kid who has proven nothing and accomplished very little in the NHL does not have the right to pick and choose what team he wants to play for it. It's ludicrous for him to ask for a trade from the team who spent a high draft pick on him just a few years ago. Maybe I'm being overly critical, but I just can't fathom being in that situation. It's one thing for a veteran player or even a young player who has proven to be a legitimate star to ask to be traded -- but a young kid who really hasn't done anything? Sounds like his head isn't in the right place.
HopefulFuture Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 DarrenDreger Darren Dreger Turris will earn $1.2 this year and $1.6 next season. 1 minute ago John Shannon of Sportsnet says that Phoenix will NOT trade Turris. Take that for what it's worth. Quote: For those asking...Turris's new 2 year deal keeps him Phoenix...team will not trade him. 11 minutes ago https://twitter.com/#!/JSportsnet That said, Dreger said trade was a prime option.
HopefulFuture Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 Thats pretty cheap right? That is the exact same deal they offered him in the off season. So, I'm guessing he signed because a trade was worked out, I see no reason why he would cave in otherwise. He was adament that he would sit the season out if necessary.
millbank Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 absolute crap but a reality Toronto's second team take it to the bank. This not the inclusion of fans but the exclusion, more for the corporate, the self entitled, the supposed privileged. Hate it with a passion, the many every hockey loving people of southwestern ontario, frozen and priced out, said to be in the name of the game. It is going to happen , just a matter of time.
SwampD Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 absolute crap but a reality Toronto's second team take it to the bank. This not the inclusion of fans but the exclusion, more for the corporate, the self entitled, the supposed privileged. Hate it with a passion, the many every hockey loving people of southwestern ontario, frozen and priced out, said to be in the name of the game. It is going to happen , just a matter of time. It's over twice the distance that The Prudential Center is from Madison Square Garden. I would bet that there are at least four times the number of hockey fans in between. There is no reason for there not to be another team there.
thesportsbuff Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 absolute crap but a reality Toronto's second team take it to the bank. This not the inclusion of fans but the exclusion, more for the corporate, the self entitled, the supposed privileged. Hate it with a passion, the many every hockey loving people of southwestern ontario, frozen and priced out, said to be in the name of the game. It is going to happen , just a matter of time. Millbank, you are the resident Leaf fan, correct? How are you liking Connolly so far? He just potted another one :clapping:
millbank Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 Hard to have a opinion at present on Connolly's impact, as he has been out of lineup. The team itself a slowly improving one, they now not a easy couple of points , but a hard working group, Connolly could make just enough difference to make them a playoff team at least right in the mix the entire season. At this point not what you can call a single dominate team , many teams have a shot , even a Leaf team, with some breaks and hot goalie on most nights. Article this week spoke of Connolly mentoring younger players and the import of appreciating career and opportunity. Honest truth , i was underwhelmed by his signing. He would not be the first guy to get it later in his career time will tell if a relationship with Burke putting him in position to succeed be a difference maker for him. Millbank, you are the resident Leaf fan, correct? How are you liking Connolly so far? He just potted another one :clapping:
Marvelo Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 On the other hand, check out Kevin Dineen and the Florida Panthers! http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/statistics/?hubname=nhl-panthers
shrader Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 absolute crap but a reality Toronto's second team take it to the bank. This not the inclusion of fans but the exclusion, more for the corporate, the self entitled, the supposed privileged. Hate it with a passion, the many every hockey loving people of southwestern ontario, frozen and priced out, said to be in the name of the game. It is going to happen , just a matter of time. I'm assuming your economy's not so great up there either. I hope the rich guy mentioned in the article is putting up every penny for this one because I couldn't imagine any public dollars going towards such a wasteful project.
Kevbeau Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 It's over twice the distance that The Prudential Center is from Madison Square Garden. I would bet that there are at least four times the number of hockey fans in between. There is no reason for there not to be another team there. I don't think anyone would argue that another team in in GTA would do well at the gate. However from a total NHL view, that would be the only uptick. You already have the TV viewership, You already have the merchandising (excluding the initial "new" boost) You would gain at the gate. Larger pool of GTA corporate sponsors (again, it would affect the team, not the NHL as a whole) My first two points is why a city like Houston/Portland/OKC/and gulp....Atlanta, would be more attractive to the current NHL ownership groups. I will say if they just want that initial expansion fee money-grab than another Toronto team is the way to go. You'd have plenty of ownership groups ponying up for it, seeing as your virtually guaranteed sell outs.
Taro T Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 That is the exact same deal they offered him in the off season. So, I'm guessing he signed because a trade was worked out, I see no reason why he would cave in otherwise. He was adament that he would sit the season out if necessary. That, or the fact he was 1 week away from actually having to sit out the season changed his perspective a bit.
apuszczalowski Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 That, or the fact he was 1 week away from actually having to sit out the season changed his perspective a bit. Exactly. If not signed by Dec 1 he would not be allowed to play for any team. Also, why would he have to sign a new deal with Phoenix to be traded? Couldn't Phoenix just trade his rights, then the new team signs him to a contract?
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 I'm assuming your economy's not so great up there either. I hope the rich guy mentioned in the article is putting up every penny for this one because I couldn't imagine any public dollars going towards such a wasteful project. Actually, the economy in Canada as a whole is quite good, especially out west. Ontario took a massive hit to the manufacturing sector in the latest downturn, but that does not really affect the Toronto (or as we in Halifax like to call it ... the great satan) area all that much. As for the public dollars point, whenever you read that a project needs the approval of the municipality it really means that there is likely some city dollars required in some shape or form. That said the city of Markham would, no doubt, be seeing huge property tax ... dollars coming into the city purse. Bottom line IMHO is ... The arena will be built and an NHL franchise will be the primary tenant.
Andrew Amerk Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Exactly. If not signed by Dec 1 he would not be allowed to play for any team. Also, why would he have to sign a new deal with Phoenix to be traded? Couldn't Phoenix just trade his rights, then the new team signs him to a contract? He is worth more in trade signed than unsigned...
thesportsbuff Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 That, or the fact he was 1 week away from actually having to sit out the season changed his perspective a bit. Pretty funny that all the so-called "NHL Insiders" from TSN etc. seem to completely overlook this fact and are adamant that a trade is coming. Hmm, what makes more sense for a young player trying to find his niche in the league -- holding out and missing an entire season or signing a short-term deal and going out there to earn his money on the ice? Maybe he will still be traded, but I think it's MUCH more likely that he signed because Phoenix's management has stood pat and said all along they wouldn't trade him. Exactly. If not signed by Dec 1 he would not be allowed to play for any team. Also, why would he have to sign a new deal with Phoenix to be traded? Couldn't Phoenix just trade his rights, then the new team signs him to a contract? Certainly you would get more value for a signed player than just his rights. We gave up a draft pick to get Ehrhoff's rights -- if he had been under contract, it would have taken far more than that. Of course, if he had been under contract, he probably wouldn't have been on the market at all. But who would want to trade for the rights to a kid who thinks he is bigger than the game anyway? Seriously, he wanted $3-4 million for scoring 19 goals in 130 games? Then he cries and asks for a trade because Phoenix (who can't exactly afford to be throwing money around at unproven players) knew that price tag was ridiculous? I had high hopes for Turris as a player but in my opinion he has made a complete fool out of himself through this whole process. Good thing he's not a Sabre, or I'd be really pissed.
Andrew Amerk Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 Pretty funny that all the so-called "NHL Insiders" from TSN etc. seem to completely overlook this fact and are adamant that a trade is coming. Hmm, what makes more sense for a young player trying to find his niche in the league -- holding out and missing an entire season or signing a short-term deal and going out there to earn his money on the ice? Maybe he will still be traded, but I think it's MUCH more likely that he signed because Phoenix's management has stood pat and said all along they wouldn't trade him. Certainly you would get more value for a signed player than just his rights. We gave up a draft pick to get Ehrhoff's rights -- if he had been under contract, it would have taken far more than that. Of course, if he had been under contract, he probably wouldn't have been on the market at all. But who would want to trade for the rights to a kid who thinks he is bigger than the game anyway? Seriously, he wanted $3-4 million for scoring 19 goals in 130 games? Then he cries and asks for a trade because Phoenix (who can't exactly afford to be throwing money around at unproven players) knew that price tag was ridiculous? I had high hopes for Turris as a player but in my opinion he has made a complete fool out of himself through this whole process. Good thing he's not a Sabre, or I'd be really pissed. I dont think Phoenix has any fans, so they probably aren't upset over Turris.
apuszczalowski Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 He is worth more in trade signed than unsigned... to Phoenix he is, to any trade looking to deal for him he isn't. i'm sure that the team signing him is only going to make a move knowing that they are going to be able to get him signed to a deal. And i'm sure Turris would rather be able to negotiate the deal with his new team, rather then sign the deal he turned down earlier to go play on another team
LabattBlue Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 Funniest song selection by an organist at an NHL game that I have heard in a long time... On Monday night during the Kings @ Blues game on Versus, after one of the Kings goals, the organist played FU by Cee Lo Green. :lol: :lol: :lol:
thesportsbuff Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 to Phoenix he is, to any trade looking to deal for him he isn't. i'm sure that the team signing him is only going to make a move knowing that they are going to be able to get him signed to a deal. And i'm sure Turris would rather be able to negotiate the deal with his new team, rather then sign the deal he turned down earlier to go play on another team i'm not following. a player signed to a contract is ALWAYS going to carry higher value than an unsigned player's rights, period. So if Phoenix wanted to trade him, they would definitely get him signed to a contract first in order to maximize the return on the trade. They could probably fetch an established roster player in return for Turris, where as they would only get maybe a draft pick for his rights alone. You say that any team trading for him is only going to do so if they know they are going to be able to get him signed-- that's not how it works, though. You never KNOW that a player will sign with your team, if you recall the Ehrhoff drama of this past off-season where we were sitting on the edge of our seats for several hours waiting for a decision from him. So yes, it makes more sense for ALL parties involved to get him signed before a trade. And finally, it doesn't really matter what Turris himself would rather do. The bottom line was he had to sign a contract or sit out the entire season. Phoenix had and still has all the leverage, and now, should they choose to trade him, they can actually get something in return for him. But all that said, I still don't think this has anything to do with a trade. If Turris wants to advance his career, he has to play. That's why he signed.
JJFIVEOH Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 On the other hand, check out Kevin Dineen and the Florida Panthers! http://www.tsn.ca/nh...me=nhl-panthers They have been a very fun team to watch! Campbell looks like he's still in his mid 20's, Versteeg has been on fire and they've got some guys who are taking advantage of their opportunities to make a difference which they didn't get with their previous teams. I would have taken Versteeg in a heartbeat over Leino (yes I know Leino was a FA and Versteeg had to be traded). What's even scarier is that they have 9 total 1st and 2nd round picks from the last two years waiting to come up in the near future. Good for them, they've been waiting to make the playoffs as long as the Bills.
Bmwolf21 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 DeVeaux gets three games for his elbow to the melon of Tomas Fleischmann. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=381246 "Despite the fact that Deveaux conceded this was a dangerous reflex and instinct, when we looked at all the evidence surrounding the play, we agreed with his assertion that there was no malicious intent," said NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan.
waldo Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/RogersSportsnet/status/86817311247441920
carpandean Posted November 25, 2011 Report Posted November 25, 2011 http://twitter.com/#!/RogersSportsnet/status/86817311247441920 :unsure: Yes, Cody re-signed back in July.
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