deluca67 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 You're trying too hard. We might be second to Montreal but I bet it's not as distant as you think. Also, it's not jealousy or insecurity. It's just taking jabs at your closest rival. It's not really all that odd. Is it jealousy when Rags fans shout "Potvin Sucks!"? Would they yell it if the Islanders didn't win four Stanley Cups?
SwampD Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 Would they yell it if the Islanders didn't win four Stanley Cups? They've won a cup more recently and they still yell it.
X. Benedict Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 Sabre fans want to see themselves as the most fervent hockey fans in the NHL, at best we are a distant second behind behind Canadian fans. That is why people get so angry when they take over the arena during Sabre/Leafs games. It's a jealousy spawned from insecurity, another example is the "Hockey Heaven" which is a clear ripoff of Detroit's "Hockey Town." I can't speak for all Sabre fans, but I've never spent a minute thinking about any of this. I like the energy when the Leafs are in town. I also like beating them. Don't you?
thesportsbuff Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 Sabre fans want to see themselves as the most fervent hockey fans in the NHL, at best we are a distant second behind behind Canadian fans. That is why people get so angry when they take over the arena during Sabre/Leafs games. It's a jealousy spawned from insecurity, another example is the "Hockey Heaven" which is a clear ripoff of Detroit's "Hockey Town." It has nothing to do with jealousy at all haha. It has to do with pride. I take pride in being a Sabres fan, so of course I'm going to say the "Leafs Suck" (or "leaves"), or I'll trash the Bruins and Habs etc. And people don't get "angry" when Toronto fans come to Buffalo and take over... they just heckle them a little bit and let them know they're on our turf. I don't think anybody was legitimately pissed off because Toronto fans drove an hour or so south to watch their team play.. it's just gamesmanship. The fans way of feeling like part of the team. There is no jealousy involved. I'm not jealous of Montreal's 10,000 stanley cups, or Toronto's tradition, or Detroit's "hockeytown" gimmick. I'm proud to be a Sabres fan, and for what it's worth, I'm almost GLAD they've never won the cup before.. because the day they do finally win, it's going to mean the world to me and a LOT of other people. It's going to be special.
X. Benedict Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 Would they yell it if the Islanders didn't win four Stanley Cups? Yes. They yelled it before the isles won the cup. They started yelling it after a dirty hit on Ule Nillson and never stopped. When they started yelling it without potvin in the game it was pretty damn funny. I'm not a ranger fan but it has never stopped being funny. It is one of the funniest trasditions in hockey.
DR HOLLIDAY Posted October 22, 2011 Report Posted October 22, 2011 I can't speak for all Sabre fans, but I've never spent a minute thinking about any of this. I like the energy when the Leafs are in town. I also like beating them. Don't you? Just remember XB, DeLuca is running out of things to complain about.........Except for maybe how well the Sens are playing....... :beer:
deluca67 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 I can't speak for all Sabre fans, but I've never spent a minute thinking about any of this. I like the energy when the Leafs are in town. I also like beating them. Don't you? No more than any other team.
deluca67 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 David Booth to Vancouver. I great pickup by the Canucks. Booth on that power-play with the Twins and Kesler can be huge. Another goal and two points for Kessel. Just noticed that Seguin has 9 points and is a +7 through 8 games.
X. Benedict Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 No more than any other team. Division wins are much sweeter. The arena is more fun. The play feistier. For someone who loves hockey as much as you I'm suprised that has never connected with you. Man I feel it, if I didn't feel it I'd miss it.
deluca67 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Division wins are much sweeter. The arena is more fun. The play feistier. For someone who loves hockey as much as you I'm suprised that has never connected with you. Man I feel it, if I didn't feel it I'd miss it. It's been a while since the Leafs have been a player in the Division. I agree with what you have said, I have always said the League is better when the Leafs, Habs and Bruins are good. Which is another reason why I hope Kessel stays hot and the Leafs take that next step.
LGR4GM Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Jonathan Quick just capped an IMPRESSIVE week of games. 3gp, 3w, 83 shots faced, 0goals = 3 shutouts. Bravo.
bunomatic Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Jonathan Quick just capped an IMPRESSIVE week of games. 3gp, 3w, 83 shots faced, 0goals = 3 shutouts. Bravo. He's been huge for my fantasy team. Picked him simply because I thought L.A. was an up and coming team about to show some goods this year. Kopitar is helping my cause mightily as well. And having Miller as my other goalie has turned out good so far.
Eleven Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Jonathan Quick just capped an IMPRESSIVE week of games. 3gp, 3w, 83 shots faced, 0goals = 3 shutouts. Bravo. I still don't understand why LA didn't start him against the Sabres.
X. Benedict Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 It's been a while since the Leafs have been a player in the Division. I agree with what you have said, I have always said the League is better when the Leafs, Habs and Bruins are good. Which is another reason why I hope Kessel stays hot and the Leafs take that next step. Margins are razor thin in this league. If the Sabres don't dominate the Leafs the last 5 years it is the Leafs in the playoffs. I wonder if you experience the game more from a rotisserie stat league perspective. Either way, somehow the way you experience hockey makes me feel old. Having high hopes for the Leafs. Nope. Way too promiscous. I don't get how you can reconcile a longing for old time divisional play with wahat you are saying.
deluca67 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Margins are razor thin in this league. If the Sabres don't dominate the Leafs the last 5 years it is the Leafs in the playoffs. I wonder if you experience the game more from a rotisserie stat league perspective. Either way, somehow the way you experience hockey makes me feel old. Having high hopes for the Leafs. Nope. Way too promiscous. I don't get how you can reconcile a longing for old time divisional play with wahat you are saying. I am old. I route for Adams Division teams when they don't play the Sabres. When the Bills were really good part of what made their runs even more special is that the Dolphins were good and most times favored to reach the Super Bowl. Today a Dolphins game means nothing more than if it were the Browns. As a Red Sox fan going through the Yankees made their World Series victory even sweeter. For the Sabres a Cup run that goes through Toronto, Boston and Montreal is near perfect. The only exception is the Flyers because of the playoff history between the two teams.
dudacek Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 On the surface that Booth trade looks like a steal for the Canucks. Samuelsson is old and nearly finished. Sturm is old and done. THey gave up the equivalent of Hecht and Neidermayer for a younger guy who should be a top-six forward.
X. Benedict Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 I am old. I route for Adams Division teams when they don't play the Sabres. When the Bills were really good part of what made their runs even more special is that the Dolphins were good and most times favored to reach the Super Bowl. Today a Dolphins game means nothing more than if it were the Browns. As a Red Sox fan going through the Yankees made their World Series victory even sweeter. For the Sabres a Cup run that goes through Toronto, Boston and Montreal is near perfect. The only exception is the Flyers because of the playoff history between the two teams. Adams division never had Toronto. Seriously you can start a year with hopes for the Yankees as a sox fan? Or hope miami wins as a bills fan? You can't tell me this ever happened before fantasy leagues. Anyway - yuck - you can hope toronto and boston win - to me it is an icky compromise and I sincerely and honestly puzzle over how a true fan can reconcile it. I get you like hockey - but I am not sure I would consider you a true blue Sabres fan with that perspective. Seriously I think you are missing out on an experience most fans sense intuitively. Just how I see it. Carry on.
deluca67 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Adams division never had Toronto. Seriously you can start a year with hopes for the Yankees as a sox fan? Or hope miami wins as a bills fan? You can't tell me this ever happened before fantasy leagues. Anyway - yuck - you can hope toronto and boston win - to me it is an icky compromise and I sincerely and honestly puzzle over how a true fan can reconcile it. I get you like hockey - but I am not sure I would consider you a true blue Sabres fan with that perspective. Seriously I think you are missing out on an experience most fans sense intuitively. Just how I see it. Carry on. The Leafs were one of the original Adams Division teams: Boston Bruins Buffalo Sabres California Golden Seals Toronto Maple Leafs They remained until 1981.
Marvelo Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Wouldn't it be nice to have Nail Yakupov in the pipeline? He's ripping it up in the OHL (and wherever he goes) http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/show/type/top_scorers
dudacek Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 I kinda get where you're coming from DeLuca; The semi-final win over the Laffs in 99 was one of the more satisfying victories in Sabre history. But I'm with the X man. Hard to reconcile being a Sabre fan and wanting Toronto to do well. My daughter said to me the other day "You sure seem to hate a lot of teams." And I guess its true. My hate list: 1) Toronto — Anyone from western Canada would get this (the Toronto-centric media obsession with a perennially bad team is tough to take). Add that to being a divisional rival. 2) Vancouver — Again, it's a west coast thing. I'm surrounded by obnoxious Canuck fans. Add that to a sibling rivalry from being expansion cousins and you may understand why I actually voted for Boston in the finals. 3) Ottawa — Their dominance over us recently coupled with the smug face of Dany Heatley really fired this one in the past decade. I am loving their downfall. 4) Philadelphia — Don't need to explain this one 5) Boston — or this one 6) Montreal — used to be higher, even number one at times. But it was mostly jealousy over their excellence. The fact they've been mediocre for a while now and we seem to be able to handle them has dropped them a bit. 7) Carolina — I can't believe those know-nothing, suffered-nothing fans have a ring — one that should have been ours. Janik, Fitzpatrick, Paestch and Jillson? In game 7? Honourable mention: the old Thrashers. Can't believe how many times we've choked against this horrible team over the years. Like to hear others chime in on this one.
X. Benedict Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 The Leafs were one of the original Adams Division teams: Boston Bruins Buffalo Sabres California Golden Seals Toronto Maple Leafs They remained until 1981. Very true but I don't buy it. Waxing nostalgic about Lanny or Tiger is one thing. Sharing loyalties with division rivals today sucks moose parts. Fair point on Toronto in the Adams...(I still think of them as a Norris team from when Ballard pulled them out, in the 70's I thought in conferences - even with the weird playoff formats). I think of the 80's as the divisions.
X. Benedict Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 I kinda get where you're coming from DeLuca; The semi-final win over the Laffs in 99 was one of the more satisfying victories in Sabre history. But I'm with the X man. Hard to reconcile being a Sabre fan and wanting Toronto to do well. My daughter said to me the other day "You sure seem to hate a lot of teams." And I guess its true. My hate list: 1) Toronto — Anyone from western Canada would get this (the Toronto-centric media obsession with a perennially bad team is tough to take). Add that to being a divisional rival. 2) Vancouver — Again, it's a west coast thing. I'm surrounded by obnoxious Canuck fans. Add that to a sibling rivalry from being expansion cousins and you may understand why I actually voted for Boston in the finals. 3) Ottawa — Their dominance over us recently coupled with the smug face of Dany Heatley really fired this one in the past decade. I am loving their downfall. 4) Philadelphia — Don't need to explain this one 5) Boston — or this one 6) Montreal — used to be higher, even number one at times. But it was mostly jealousy over their excellence. The fact they've been mediocre for a while now and we seem to be able to handle them has dropped them a bit. 7) Carolina — I can't believe those no-nothing, suffered-nothing fans have a ring — one that should have been ours. Janik, Fitzpatrick, Paestch and Jillson? In game 7? Honourable mention: the old Thrashers. Can't believe how many times we've choked against this horrible team over the years. Like to hear others chime in on this one. Want to see do bad in order...tie Philly/Boston though that vacillates. Toronto/Ottawa about equal. Montreal (though I never hated montreal I don't want them to win) - NJ for killing hockey - If the Nords were back I would hate them again. The rest in the East I hate about equal...though I don't really want to see Southern teams win a cup before Buffalo. I always want to see the West beat the East teams. I want my team to have every advantage. There might be one scenario a year where I want to see a team in the East win. Only because it gives Buffalo an advantage.
Derrico Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Want to see do bad in order...tie Philly/Boston though that vacillates. Toronto/Ottawa about equal. Montreal (though I never hated montreal I don't want them to win) - NJ for killing hockey - If the Nords were back I would hate them again. The rest in the East I hate about equal...though I don't really want to see Southern teams win a cup before Buffalo. I always want to see the West beat the East teams. I want my team to have every advantage. There might be one scenario a year where I want to see a team in the East win. Only because it gives Buffalo an advantage. Amen!
Eleven Posted October 23, 2011 Report Posted October 23, 2011 Filly Ottawa Carolina Pittsburgh* Rangers None are in the division. Other than those, I really don't hate any teams. It doesn't mean that it's not fun to rip on them, though. *YOU live with a woman who wears a Jagr jersey to bed for three years and then tell me differently.
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