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thesportsbuff Second Liner

thesportsbuff

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Not at all. There's one key phrase in the latter Burke quote, "IF THAT HAPPENED".

 

Please don't tell me you buy into Breire's whole "Avery made it up" thing. It happened. Everybody's seen the video. And Simmonds played stupid and "couldn't remember" everything he said when asked after the game, but suddenly the NHL meets with him and he has perfect recollection that he absolutely did not say that? Makes sense.

dEnnis the Menace First Liner

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Please don't tell me you buy into Breire's whole "Avery made it up" thing. It happened. Everybody's seen the video. And Simmonds played stupid and "couldn't remember" everything he said when asked after the game, but suddenly the NHL meets with him and he has perfect recollection that he absolutely did not say that? Makes sense.

 

I don't really care if he said it or not. Everyone says stupid things. is it excusable? no. but what's said on the ice between the players should stay...between the players. If they have beef with each other, deal with it, with each other. you can't punish every player for calling another player names. Is this name over the top? yeah, I think so. is it the worst thing that's been said on the ice before? by no means.

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And yet, had he allegedly called him a ###### ###### (f'n rooster lollypop) rather than a ###### ###### (f'n bundle of sticks), then I expect there wouldn't have been any outcry at all.

 

So I guess, for future reference when talking trash they should abuse the action, not the actor?

Rather than report these potty mouthed offenders to Shanahan, maybe they should be reported to their own mothers - they will get their mouths washed out with soap and grounded for the weekend.

shrader Hall of Famer

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Please don't tell me you buy into Breire's whole "Avery made it up" thing. It happened. Everybody's seen the video. And Simmonds played stupid and "couldn't remember" everything he said when asked after the game, but suddenly the NHL meets with him and he has perfect recollection that he absolutely did not say that? Makes sense.

 

I haven't seen the video and I've seen quotes from other people that say the same thing about Avery. You reap what you sow and he has a bad reputation. I wouldn't put it past him to create something like this. I'm sure he's glad he hasn't been mic'ed up for all the things he has said over the years, well, except for that fat boy comment about Marty Brodeur a few years back.

thesportsbuff Second Liner

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I don't really care if he said it or not. Everyone says stupid things. is it excusable? no. but what's said on the ice between the players should stay...between the players. If they have beef with each other, deal with it, with each other. you can't punish every player for calling another player names. Is this name over the top? yeah, I think so. is it the worst thing that's been said on the ice before? by no means.

 

i don't really care if he said it either. i'm just saying if they're going to make a HUGE deal out of a relatively minor event of some dumbass drunk throwing a banana on the ice -- i mean they've practically been on a 5 day man hunt for the guy -- only to have the player who had been portrayed as an innocent victim the past several days go and say something just as offensive on the ice and not be punished at all, is a bit controversial to me. i'm not really trying to defend avery just more so pointing out the irony in it.

shrader Hall of Famer

shrader

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And yet, had he allegedly called him a ###### ###### (f'n rooster lollypop) rather than a ###### ###### (f'n bundle of sticks), then I expect there wouldn't have been any outcry at all.

 

So I guess, for future reference when talking trash they should abuse the action, not the actor?

 

Tell that to James Wisniewski.

inkman Hall of Famer

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If they started suspending for ****sucker, the whole league would shut down within a week.

What about ass muncher, dick licker, tea bagger, ###### sucker, or taint teaser?

Eleven Hall of Famer

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Simmonds should be fined and suspended for what he said no matter who he said it to. That doesn't take away from what happened to him.

 

You're dead on, except the NHL has decided it can't determine whether the remark was made or not. I haven't seen the vid; I've only read the reports. I find anti-gay slurs to be as offensive as anti-black slurs, anti-white slurs, anti-Jew slurs, and anti-anything that someone didn't choose, but was born as, slurs.

 

But if they can't tell whether it was said (and this MAY be a cop-out by the league), well, there's not much they can do, IMO. I'm a due process guy, too.

 

I hated Avery until he spoke in favor of equal rights for hetero-, ######-, and bi-sexuals. That took some serious stones. I hate him less, now. It's kind of like looking at the 1950s and seeing the white baseball player defend the black one. Gutsy (which Avery always has been), but for once, for the right reasons.

 

I still want someone to put his punk ass down when he plays Buffalo, though.

 

 

EDIT: The #### above is h-o-m-o. We're having an adult discussion and not name-calling, so I think it's ok if I spell it out.

X. Benedict All Star

X. Benedict

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You're dead on, except the NHL has decided it can't determine whether the remark was made or not. I haven't seen the vid; I've only read the reports. I find anti-gay slurs to be as offensive as anti-black slurs, anti-white slurs, anti-Jew slurs, and anti-anything that someone didn't choose, but was born as, slurs.

 

But if they can't tell whether it was said (and this MAY be a cop-out by the league), well, there's not much they can do, IMO. I'm a due process guy, too.

 

As far as due process --it's not a cop out as much as it is nearly impossible-

 

The NHL just can't decide on its own. It has to have an investigation with the NHLPA, and interview the officials who won't talk (Of course they won't, language is the last thing they want to start policing, chirping is as much a part of the sport as a line change, officially and unofficially they don't hear it, it's background noise).

 

Players won't talk on this one either. They stick to the code. So there is nothing to investigate. And the last thing the league wants to do is open this can of worms. Because slurs of every kind are ubiquitous (racial slurs not as much - but every other kind)

 

Or in Avery's case, cancer slurs....which are always nice, I think he sued a Toronto TV station that tried to report that. He knew nobody would corroborate their story. Either way, I doubt he finishes the year on an NHL roster. There is a reason he is the most hated man in the NHL.

 

I used to love when reporters would ask Drury (captain of the Rangers) about Avery....and Drury had really no choice but to say positive things about his teammate to reporters. Even when you could tell he was disgusted by his antics, and was telling him to cool it on the ice.

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The thing about Avery is that he tries his best to make himself bigger than the game. He's outspoken for a reason. I don't think Simmonds is that type of person. That being said I think like most players Simmonds probably trash talks most of which stays on the ice between the players. His mistake was not realizing that Avery might try to make an issue of it knowing that Simmonds was currently in the news for being on the receiving end of a little hate. Perhaps Avery had noted the irony in it as well.

korab rules Second Liner

korab rules

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The thing about Avery is that he tries his best to make himself bigger than the game. He's outspoken for a reason. I don't think Simmonds is that type of person. That being said I think like most players Simmonds probably trash talks most of which stays on the ice between the players. His mistake was not realizing that Avery might try to make an issue of it knowing that Simmonds was currently in the news for being on the receiving end of a little hate. Perhaps Avery had noted the irony in it as well.

I think there is a lot of truth to this - this can't possibly be the first time Avery has been called a bundle of sticks.

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