DumbPuck Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 That would be a nice story, but honestly after what Simmonds said to Avery, I could care less if they even pursued this guy. Kind of a joke really. It isn't the first time there's been a racist incident in a hockey game, yet the entire hockey world came to the support of Simmonds when this happened -- he "thanks" them and shows his true character by going out and calling an opponent anti-gay slurs two days later, as if that's any different. At least the first incident is just a random fan that probably doesn't go to too many hockey games judging by his lack of respect for the game, but then you have the "victim" who's actually a player in the league, after EVERYONE came to his support, saying things like that? I think one is a little bigger deal than the other, and hint, it's not the banana guy. What a fool Simmonds is. Really? Would I be correct in saying that you are also against comedians using the N-word ? Ice-talk is all gamesmanship... if somebody can't handle a homophobic slur ON THE ICE in NHL HOCKEY then they probably don't belong there. This Political Correct B/S that's spread across our nation doesn't need to seep into one the few remaining sanctuaries IMO.
Andrew Amerk Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Now Avery who is a hall of fame chirper has no credibility when it comes to on ice language, and in almost every players mind he broke the code by bringing this up. That he is. I heard him drop at least 3-4 F-bombs at the beginning of the game the other night against the Flyers, directed at Giroux. The announcers were courteous enough to leave a very long silent pause during the tirade, so any young kiddies at home were treated to possibly learning some new words in the English language!
X. Benedict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Briere weighs in on Simmonds/Avery What's more innappropriate?..threatened homicide or racial slurs? "Danny Briere, the Flyers’ star center, took verbal shots at the Rangers’ Sean Avery after practice Wednesday in Voorhees. Avery had claimed the Flyers’ Wayne Simmonds used a gay slur when shouting at him during Monday’s exhibition game. The NHL found no evidence to support the claim and did not fine Simmonds. In an audio from Monday’s game, Avery was heard screaming about the Flyers’ Claude Giroux: “I really don’t want to have to f---ing kill Giroux.” Said Briere on Wednesday: “It’s ironic everyone is defending Avery and it’s OK for him to call guys out about killing them.” Briere said Avery “just wants attention” and that he deliberately accused Simmonds because he wanted to pile on after the London, Ontario incident. In an apparent racial taunt, a fan threw a banana at Simmonds in that game. Avery “didn’t mean it literally,” Briere said of the killing comment, “but we all know Sean Avery and how much he likes attention.” Saying you want to kill someone is more inappropriate than an alleged slur, Briere added." Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/130715498.html#ixzz1ZGxGux15 Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/130715498.html
deluca67 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Hopefully same goes for Simmonds. Oh wait. :rolleyes: Simmonds should be fined and suspended for what he said no matter who he said it to. That doesn't take away from what happened to him.
thesportsbuff Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Really? Would I be correct in saying that you are also against comedians using the N-word ? Ice-talk is all gamesmanship... if somebody can't handle a homophobic slur ON THE ICE in NHL HOCKEY then they probably don't belong there. This Political Correct B/S that's spread across our nation doesn't need to seep into one the few remaining sanctuaries IMO. Depends on the comedian. Personally neither word offends me what-so-ever, and when used in the right context, both can make for some funny stand-up routines. Calling somebody a "bleeping bleep" is not the right context. Especially for this to come out after he just got the sympathy from the entire hockey world over a border-line racist incident -- and before you rip me apart on that, I'm just saying let's hear the fans side of the story first -- for all we know he was just throwing a banana peel hoping the player would slip and fall like in the cartoons. Or he was just throwing garbage on to the ice because he hates the Flyers. Either way it's a stupid act, but who knows if his intentions were actually racially -motivated (but they probably were). If ice-talk is "all gamesmanship" then I don't wanna hear Simmonds crying the next time someone drops the N-bomb on him in a game. George Laraque "broke the code" a few years back when Avery called him a racist name. Just saying... which do you think reflects worse on the league? A random fan throwing a banana on the ice, or the player that the whole league/media/hockey world rallied around just days before calling someone a F* and not even being punished for it. Not even a fine. The fan pays $2000 for a racist act, but a player pays nothing for an equally discriminating act on the ice. lol
deluca67 Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 On a lighter note, watched the replay of the Flames/Islanders game and Chris Butler looked really good. Hopefully he can find the consistency that he couldn't find here in Buffalo.
X. Benedict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Simmonds should be fined and suspended for what he said no matter who he said it to. That doesn't take away from what happened to him. What's said on the ice is between the players. That's how it has worked for 90 years. Don't like what is said? Win the game. It all stays on the ice, it has nothing to do with society.
thesportsbuff Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Briere weighs in on Simmonds/Avery What's more innappropriate?..threatened homicide or racial slurs? "Danny Briere, the Flyers’ star center, took verbal shots at the Rangers’ Sean Avery after practice Wednesday in Voorhees. Avery had claimed the Flyers’ Wayne Simmonds used a gay slur when shouting at him during Monday’s exhibition game. The NHL found no evidence to support the claim and did not fine Simmonds. In an audio from Monday’s game, Avery was heard screaming about the Flyers’ Claude Giroux: “I really don’t want to have to f---ing kill Giroux.” Said Briere on Wednesday: “It’s ironic everyone is defending Avery and it’s OK for him to call guys out about killing them.” Briere said Avery “just wants attention” and that he deliberately accused Simmonds because he wanted to pile on after the London, Ontario incident. In an apparent racial taunt, a fan threw a banana at Simmonds in that game. Avery “didn’t mean it literally,” Briere said of the killing comment, “but we all know Sean Avery and how much he likes attention.” Saying you want to kill someone is more inappropriate than an alleged slur, Briere added." Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/130715498.html#ixzz1ZGxGux15 Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/130715498.html Briere is an idiot. For one everyone who saw the unedited clip can clearly read Simmonds lips when he drops the "alleged slur." Then he tries to further deflect the blame by bringing in some garbage about Avery saying he was gonna kill somebody? lol. Sounds like a five year old trying to get out of trouble... deny your guy did anything wrong, then find something to blame on the other team's guy.
shrader Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 What's said on the ice is between the players. That's how it has worked for 90 years. Don't like what is said? Win the game. It all stays on the ice, it has nothing to do with society. It has everything to do with technology though. This stuff always went unnoticed, but now that there are cameras and mics everywhere, we hear about this stuff.
X. Benedict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 On a lighter note, watched the replay of the Flames/Islanders game and Chris Butler looked really good. Hopefully he can find the consistency that he couldn't find here in Buffalo. He's a solid player most nights. I am sure he'll much better once he's not in and out of the line-up and has a regular pairing. This should be a great career move for him.
thesportsbuff Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 What's said on the ice is between the players. That's how it has worked for 90 years. Don't like what is said? Win the game. It all stays on the ice, it has nothing to do with society. Meh, like I said in my last post, George Laraque made a big deal when Avery allegedly called him a racist name a few years ago, I would take Laraque's version of "the code" over Simmonds. And if a guy is allowed to accuse Avery of it, then Avery is certainly allowed to do the same when someone calls him an inappropriate name.
X. Benedict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 It has everything to do with technology though. This stuff always went unnoticed, but now that there are cameras and mics everywhere, we hear about this stuff. At one time I had friends that had the old giant Telstar satellite dishes - at the time microphones hung from cables over all the face-off dots throughout most of the league. between produced segments when the cable audiences would see commercials, you could hear players chirping, and often announcers discussing what was being said by the players. Sometimes it was raunchy banter, some of it was very funny, some was very offensive. The technology has always been there - but the league controls how the product is distributed. Most Refs would still prefer not to turn their microphones on at all, and with very good reason.
X. Benedict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Meh, like I said in my last post, George Laraque made a big deal when Avery allegedly called him a racist name a few years ago, I would take Laraque's version of "the code" over Simmonds. And if a guy is allowed to accuse Avery of it, then Avery is certainly allowed to do the same when someone calls him an inappropriate name. Let me know when any player comes to Avery's defense on this one. It's not my code it is theirs. I'm surprised Briere said anything at all. He's one of the few players in the league that will.
thesportsbuff Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Let me know when any player comes to Avery's defense on this one. It's not my code it is theirs. I'm surprised Briere said anything at all. He's one of the few players in the league that will Obviously nobody (else) is going to come to Avery's defense... except Brian Burke, who already has by the way. (not about the code but about the slur) Anyway I'm gonna stop posting on the subject because it's a touchy topic to begin with and since I don't fall into either category it's not really my place to be deciding what is/isn't the more offensive act or whatever. But I'm just saying, when a fan does something it's one thing, but when a player is doing the same type of things, it reflects poorly on the game.
darksabre Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 “@mirtle: Tim Connolly is day-to-day with an upper body injury. Wilson said he wants to get Lombardi and Brown into a game this weekend.” :lol:
X. Benedict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Obviously nobody (else) is going to come to Avery's defense... except Brian Burke, who already has by the way. (not about the code but about the slur) Anyway I'm gonna stop posting on the subject because it's a touchy topic to begin with and since I don't fall into either category it's not really my place to be deciding what is/isn't the more offensive act or whatever. But I'm just saying, when a fan does something it's one thing, but when a player is doing the same type of things, it reflects poorly on the game. It is a real contradiction of course.
X. Benedict Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 “@mirtle: Tim Connolly is day-to-day with an upper body injury. Wilson said he wants to get Lombardi and Brown into a game this weekend.” :lol: Oh dear. :lol:
thesportsbuff Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 “@mirtle: Tim Connolly is day-to-day with an upper body injury. Wilson said he wants to get Lombardi and Brown into a game this weekend.” :lol: Man I just had to tweet a response to one of my twitter friends that was making fun of this too. I know it's funny to see Toronto dealing with the same ###### Buffalo did, but it's pre-season and he's "day to day." Not a long term thing. Derek Roy is day-to-day, too, and he missed HALF of last season. Does that make him injury prone? Is he overpaid because of it? *Insert other rhetorical hyperboles* GET WELL SOON TIMMY :lol:
darksabre Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 haha I know, it doesn't really mean anything. But boy does it feel good to read those words and have it not really matter to us. :clapping:
Taro T Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 It is a real contradiction of course. And yet, had he allegedly called him a ###### ###### (f'n rooster lollypop) rather than a ###### ###### (f'n bundle of sticks), then I expect there wouldn't have been any outcry at all. So I guess, for future reference when talking trash they should abuse the action, not the actor?
shrader Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 Obviously nobody (else) is going to come to Avery's defense... except Brian Burke, who already has by the way. (not about the code but about the slur) Anyway I'm gonna stop posting on the subject because it's a touchy topic to begin with and since I don't fall into either category it's not really my place to be deciding what is/isn't the more offensive act or whatever. But I'm just saying, when a fan does something it's one thing, but when a player is doing the same type of things, it reflects poorly on the game. You mean this quote from TSN credited to Brian Burke? "I don't think a player should be suspended until the league had made it clear that that was a suspendable offence," said Burke, an ardent supporter of the Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender community. "I'm really pleased with Colin's (Campbell) statement. I do think it should be a workplace that's free of commentary like that. I do believe a lot of this is habitual and it's got to stop."
thesportsbuff Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 You mean this quote from TSN credited to Brian Burke? Nope, I mean these ones: "That type of comment has no place in the game," Burke told ESPNNewYork.com when reached by telephone Tuesday morning. "If that happened, that is just so embarrassing and the league should not tolerate it," Burke said. "That should be treated on the same level as a racially charged incident. It's the same level of offensiveness and inappropriateness." "It's possible to stop and the league should definitely feel the need to use discipline in fines or suspensions."
dEnnis the Menace Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 You mean this quote from TSN credited to Brian Burke? Nope, I mean these ones: "That type of comment has no place in the game," Burke told ESPNNewYork.com when reached by telephone Tuesday morning. "If that happened, that is just so embarrassing and the league should not tolerate it," Burke said. "That should be treated on the same level as a racially charged incident. It's the same level of offensiveness and inappropriateness." "It's possible to stop and the league should definitely feel the need to use discipline in fines or suspensions." well...those quotes seem to be on opposite sides of the fence :blink:
darksabre Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 well...those quotes seem to be on opposite sides of the fence :blink: I wish I had multiple personalities.
shrader Posted September 28, 2011 Report Posted September 28, 2011 well...those quotes seem to be on opposite sides of the fence :blink: Not at all. There's one key phrase in the latter Burke quote, "IF THAT HAPPENED".
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