Will there be anymore deals?

[BetweenThePipes00]

Of course a player must be "average" in ability and hockey sense...come into his own zone on defense for example instead of hanging at the red line. And a defenseman has to cross the red line when attacking, etc. Naturally since all elements of the game are included in a good team, all aspects of the game must be represented by that team.

 

This is obvious, yes?

 

So using that as a given, I will take a PPG player on my team any time. You will notice that there aren't that many of them, and so if you have one you hold on to him.

 

But it is NOT a given! If it was a given, Kovalchuk would be a better player than Pavel Datsyuk, because he is more talented offensively. But he's lazy and doesn't do the things that Datsyuk does, and that's why 10 out of 10 hockey people would rather have Datsyuk.

 

If you can't understand that a lazy player can undo everything good he does offensively by standing and watching while his man scores the game-winner in the 3rd period, I give up. By your logic, a guy who had 6 points in a 7-1 win is not a liability even if he is a minus-5 as his team loses the next 3 games by one goal each.

[X. Benedict]

I simply fail to understand how a PPG player can be a liability to a team. Yes, he may be poor at backchecking or in breaking out of his zone, but the point production compensates for that. Why did NJ pay tons of bucks for Kovalchuk? Because he's a good backchecker? Do they even expect him to backcheck? I doubt it.

 

 

They do. However, he's often a liability in two zones.

 

 

The migraine inducing truth is he need not be. Just ask John MacLean.

[waldo]

No insult taken. I have never seen an actual scouting report from a hockey scout. How does he convert how well a player goes to the net with numbers or how much hockey sense he has into a number? Quantification means using numbers.

 

–verb (used with object), -fied, -fy·ing.

1. to determine, indicate, or express the quantity of.

2. Logic . to make explicit the quantity of (a proposition).

3. to give quantity to (something regarded as having only quality).

 

or pick one you like.

[RazielSabre]

I remember a footnote in an article where Darcy stated there is more work to be done over the offseason. I think if he says he'll play, there's a good chance he'll play. Lol.

[LGR4GM]

If Huselius is out and the Jackets are looking for a scorer and a defender and the sabres have some...

 

I am not saying "the sabres an blue jackets will trade" i am simply noting that there is now more of a opportunity to trade the CBJ for a center perhaps. Carter, Pahlsson, Vermette, Brassard fill out their centers. Is there anyone you would trade to the cbj for vermette or brassard?

 

10/11 season stats

Vermette: 82gp 19g 28a 47pts 0+/- 60pm 123hits

 

Brassard: 74gp 17g 30a 47pts -11 55pm 121hits

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: -1 away K**** or sh***** or whomever else keeps doing it :thumbsup:

[korab rules]

Persson and Turnbull re-signed to one year contracts.

 

press my magic button

 

on a related note, the sabres need a new team photographer - the head shots of the players on the sabres roster page are horrendous - those guys couldn't get laid with a hundred dollar bill taped to their forehead.

 

Has Darcy been intentionally drafting ugly guys to make himself look better, or is our team photographer really that bad? Seriously, its disturbing. They look like caricatures from mad magazine or the magazine ads for Warrior's lax helmets. The team bus in Rochester will need to be a short one with these guys on it. :sick:

[shrader]

You haven't seen many profile pictures from around the league, have you?

[korab rules]

You haven't seen many profile pictures from around the league, have you?

 

I honestly never much cared what they look like - but the pic of Persson on this article made me recoil, and Turnbull wasn't much better. I clicked on a few more and grew more and more repulsed as I went.

 

So much for the days of the heart throb hockey players. These guys could make a train take a dirt road.

[waldo]

Persson and Turnbull re-signed to one year contracts.

 

press my magic button

 

on a related note, the sabres need a new team photographer - the head shots of the players on the sabres roster page are horrendous - those guys couldn't get laid with a hundred dollar bill taped to their forehead.

 

Has Darcy been intentionally drafting ugly guys to make himself look better, or is our team photographer really that bad? Seriously, its disturbing. They look like caricatures from mad magazine or the magazine ads for Warrior's lax helmets. The team bus in Rochester will need to be a short one with these guys on it. :sick:

 

The bus has blacked out windows to protect pedestrians..Their barbers should be tried for war crimes and the photographer charged with child abuse.

[shrader]

I honestly never much cared what they look like - but the pic of Persson on this article made me recoil, and Turnbull wasn't much better. I clicked on a few more and grew more and more repulsed as I went.

 

So much for the days of the heart throb hockey players. These guys could make a train take a dirt road.

 

Look up Pascal Leclaire's bio picture from his Columbus days.

[Bullwinkle]

They do. However, he's often a liability in two zones.

 

The migraine inducing truth is he need not be. Just ask John MacLean.

 

If what you say is true, then why would Kovalchuk get paid big bucks? Wouldn't make sense unless his assets outweighed his liabilities.

[Bullwinkle]

But it is NOT a given! If it was a given, Kovalchuk would be a better player than Pavel Datsyuk, because he is more talented offensively. But he's lazy and doesn't do the things that Datsyuk does, and that's why 10 out of 10 hockey people would rather have Datsyuk.

 

If you can't understand that a lazy player can undo everything good he does offensively by standing and watching while his man scores the game-winner in the 3rd period, I give up. By your logic, a guy who had 6 points in a 7-1 win is not a liability even if he is a minus-5 as his team loses the next 3 games by one goal each.

 

I refer you to my question to Eggs Benedict above. Certainly Datsyuk his a more valued player and SHOULD get more $ as a result because he's well-rounded. But that's not true. Kovalchuk was a sought after commodity when he was on the free market. I'm not saying he's more valuable than Datsyuk, but he gets paid the same amount (at least for the next three years).

 

What is a given is that even Kovalchuk has a modicum of hockey sense. He won't be standing at the opponent's blue line when his goalie is under siege. If Kovalchuk is completely useless in every respect except to score goals, he wouldn't even be in this league let alone command the salary that he receives.

[nfreeman]

I honestly never much cared what they look like - but the pic of Persson on this article made me recoil, and Turnbull wasn't much better. I clicked on a few more and grew more and more repulsed as I went.

 

So much for the days of the heart throb hockey players. These guys could make a train take a dirt road.

outstanding.

 

If what you say is true, then why would Kovalchuk get paid big bucks? Wouldn't make sense unless his assets outweighed his liabilities.

For the same reason Gomez got $7MM per year, Redden got $6.5MM per year and Yashin got whatever he got. It only takes 1 bozo GM/owner for a ridiculous contract to come out.

 

Don't you find it compelling that the Thrashers improved substantially after Kovy left, while the Devils fell off the table?

[BetweenThePipes00]

I refer you to my question to Eggs Benedict above. Certainly Datsyuk his a more valued player and SHOULD get more $ as a result because he's well-rounded. But that's not true. Kovalchuk was a sought after commodity when he was on the free market. I'm not saying he's more valuable than Datsyuk, but he gets paid the same amount (at least for the next three years).

 

What is a given is that even Kovalchuk has a modicum of hockey sense. He won't be standing at the opponent's blue line when his goalie is under siege. If Kovalchuk is completely useless in every respect except to score goals, he wouldn't even be in this league let alone command the salary that he receives.

 

No, he'll be gliding back chirping at the ref while his guy scores off the rush, though. (there is actually a video of this someone posted it when he was available in trade, but I can't find it ... I'll keep looking.) Or he'll stay too long on his shift and get caught out there for 2 minutes at a time, completely gassed while the opponents' fresh legs are wearing down his teams' defensemen. Or he'll leave the zone too early looking for that home run pass that never comes because there's a turnover and it will end up in his net. He won't do it every shift, but he'll do it enough to get you beat.

 

Again, you are making it all black and white, 100% or nothing, great player or horrible player. I never said he was "completely useless in every respect except to score goals" any more than you said "he'll score every time he touches the puck." He isn't completely useless, he only needs to do this crap 3 or 4 times out of 20 shifts in a game to hurt you as much he helps you. And against good teams that know how to shut down a star player, he'll hurt you more than he helps you.

[Bullwinkle]

outstanding.

 

For the same reason Gomez got $7MM per year, Redden got $6.5MM per year and Yashin got whatever he got. It only takes 1 bozo GM/owner for a ridiculous contract to come out.

 

Don't you find it compelling that the Thrashers improved substantially after Kovy left, while the Devils fell off the table?

 

Ahh...no. I haven't analyzed the Thrasher situation, but as I've already said before, Jersey fell off the table because Kovalchuk didn't do what he was there to do - score goals.

 

Gomez, et. al., received large contracts based on past performance which they weren't able to sustain. But their past performance (mainly scoring) was the reason why they were paid so much. When you are primarily a one dimensional player and that feature is gone, then you certainly are a liability.

[Bullwinkle]

No, he'll be gliding back chirping at the ref while his guy scores off the rush, though. (there is actually a video of this someone posted it when he was available in trade, but I can't find it ... I'll keep looking.) Or he'll stay too long on his shift and get caught out there for 2 minutes at a time, completely gassed while the opponents' fresh legs are wearing down his teams' defensemen. Or he'll leave the zone too early looking for that home run pass that never comes because there's a turnover and it will end up in his net. He won't do it every shift, but he'll do it enough to get you beat.

 

Again, you are making it all black and white, 100% or nothing, great player or horrible player. I never said he was "completely useless in every respect except to score goals" any more than you said "he'll score every time he touches the puck." He isn't completely useless, he only needs to do this crap 3 or 4 times out of 20 shifts in a game to hurt you as much he helps you. And against good teams that know how to shut down a star player, he'll hurt you more than he helps you.

 

So you're telling me that Kovalchuk is a liability. A liability that gets paid 6+ mil per year. I don't think Lamorello is that stupid. In fact he's known to be a crafty GM.

 

Again, as I said before, if he were more of a liability than an asset, he wouldn't be in this league let alone make that kind of money. But when he doesn't do what he's paid to do, he is a liability.

 

You keep telling me that I'm 100% or nothing. That's not what I'm saying if you've really read my last few posts.

 

Between you and freedman, I think I'll answer one and simply say "ditto" to the other.

 

Right now I'm trying to make it to August.

[Bullwinkle]

Not for nothing, but here is a site posing a possible deal with Nashville:

 

http://www.smashville247.net/2011/07/are-preds-in-perfect-spot-to-make-move.html

 

If we gave them Boyes & Hecht, whom would you want in return? Spaling (I don't think they'd let him go) or O'Reilley? (him either) Picks?

 

Just wondering....

[deluca67]

outstanding.

 

 

For the same reason Gomez got $7MM per year, Redden got $6.5MM per year and Yashin got whatever he got. It only takes 1 bozo GM/owner for a ridiculous contract to come out.

 

Don't you find it compelling that the Thrashers improved substantially after Kovy left, while the Devils fell off the table?

The Thrashers improvement didn't last all season and the Devils where the best team in hockey over the second half of the season. Looking over the season you have to wonder what the Devils could have done if they didn't hire John Maclean as coach. He was clearly over his head. Maclean was 15 games under .500 after 33 games. Jacques Lemaire took over and Kovi and the Devils took off. There was no better team and no better player than Kovi. Watching Kovi over the last half of the season is the most compelling argument in regards to Kovi's value as a player. If not for the poor coaching and misuse by John Maclean, Kovi may have been an MVP candidate.

[deluca67]

Not for nothing, but here is a site posing a possible deal with Nashville:

 

http://www.smashville247.net/2011/07/are-preds-in-perfect-spot-to-make-move.html

 

If we gave them Boyes & Hecht, whom would you want in return? Spaling (I don't think they'd let him go) or O'Reilley? (him either) Picks?

 

Just wondering....

Future Considerations. Just getting Boyes and Hecht off the roster is more than enough.

[North Buffalo]

Persson and Turnbull re-signed to one year contracts.

 

press my magic button

 

on a related note, the sabres need a new team photographer - the head shots of the players on the sabres roster page are horrendous - those guys couldn't get laid with a hundred dollar bill taped to their forehead.

 

Has Darcy been intentionally drafting ugly guys to make himself look better, or is our team photographer really that bad? Seriously, its disturbing. They look like caricatures from mad magazine or the magazine ads for Warrior's lax helmets. The team bus in Rochester will need to be a short one with these guys on it. :sick:

 

After looking at the photos, it is the photographer using bad technigues. Just because you have a nice digital camera doesn't mean the auto settings will take nice headshots. Lighting and posing techiniques are critical to good shots. These photos are washed out and the poses are off. They should have at least asked Ryan Miller for some advice and of course on this page, and as a photographer myself, I am more than willing to give some.:blush:

 

Free Posing techniques

 

My link WCONN HOCKEY TEAM

[carpandean]

Devils where the best team in hockey over the second half of the season.

You're praising a team based on a 28 game stretch in which they performed well? What about the 13 game stretch after that where they had 0.84 points/game or the 41 games before where they had 0.56 points/game? Oh, that's right, that kind of argument only works against Drew Stafford. :nana:

[Rico4Hall12]

You're praising a team based on a 28 game stretch in which they performed well? What about the 13 game stretch after that where they had 0.84 points/game or the 41 games before where they had 0.56 points/game? Oh, that's right, that kind of argument only works against Drew Stafford. :nana:

Will be very hard on NJ getting into the playoffs considering the teams in their division. Lou L I think will be on the hot seat this year. New arena, overpaid superstar, and long in the tooth goalie. Doesnt look good for the Dev's

[HopefulFuture]

Not for nothing, but here is a site posing a possible deal with Nashville:

 

http://www.smashville247.net/2011/07/are-preds-in-perfect-spot-to-make-move.html

 

If we gave them Boyes & Hecht, whom would you want in return? Spaling (I don't think they'd let him go) or O'Reilley? (him either) Picks?

 

Just wondering....

The article is correct in that Buffalo will have to make a move in order to retain Sekera, Gragnani and Enroth.

It's a sure bet Enroth and Gragnani are going to be on the roster given their performances last season to help the club.

Enroth helped spell Miller and gain much needed victories to support our run for a playoff spot and Gragnani was just a solid playoff performer for us, those things were not only not unnoticed, but specifically they fill needs the team has been craving for sometime.

 

Who is going to be dealt and for what is great speculative talk, but I have a very strong feeling we could see another center brought in. Not a "1st liner", but perhaps a fantastic 2nd or 3rd line center, depending on where they view Leino's strong point is at.

[BetweenThePipes00]

So you're telling me that Kovalchuk is a liability. A liability that gets paid 6+ mil per year. I don't think Lamorello is that stupid. In fact he's known to be a crafty GM.

 

Again, as I said before, if he were more of a liability than an asset, he wouldn't be in this league let alone make that kind of money. But when he doesn't do what he's paid to do, he is a liability.

 

You keep telling me that I'm 100% or nothing. That's not what I'm saying if you've really read my last few posts.

 

Between you and freedman, I think I'll answer one and simply say "ditto" to the other.

 

Right now I'm trying to make it to August.

 

Your statement that got me going on this was: "I simply fail to understand how a PPG player can be a liability to a team." So am giving you an example of how a PPG player CAN be a liability. Not how he ALWAYS is, but how he CAN be. They pay him the money because they think they can cover up his weaknesses with their system or teammates who are better at other things or possibly out of arrogance that they can "change" him and make him play the system. Again, I am not saying he is completely useless to have around, but he's far from a complete player, and any player like that CAN be a liability no matter how much he scores.

Yes, you are correct, if you take all the goals he scores or creates and put them on one side of the ledger and all the goals he costs you on the other side, the good side is going to be bigger. But that's not how you keep score in hockey ... it's game-to-game, and he is going to cost you games.

 

My issue was with the blanket statement above about PPG players in general can't be a liability. Maybe a couple guys he win you enough to make up for it ... if the next Gretzky or Lemieux comes along and starts putting up 175-point seasons, that guy will probably not kill you no matter how many goals he costs you ... but that's not the case for EVERY PPG player.

[BetweenThePipes00]

The article is correct in that Buffalo will have to make a move in order to retain Sekera, Gragnani and Enroth.

It's a sure bet Enroth and Gragnani are going to be on the roster given their performances last season to help the club.

Enroth helped spell Miller and gain much needed victories to support our run for a playoff spot and Gragnani was just a solid playoff performer for us, those things were not only not unnoticed, but specifically they fill needs the team has been craving for sometime.

 

Who is going to be dealt and for what is great speculative talk, but I have a very strong feeling we could see another center brought in. Not a "1st liner", but perhaps a fantastic 2nd or 3rd line center, depending on where they view Leino's strong point is at.

 

Well the writer overstates the Sabres cap situation a bit ... they can go 10% over the cap in the offseason, so really they are still $6 million under the offseason cap ... they can easily add those guys and get under for opening day by sending Kotalik down and trading Morrissonn for a bag of pucks. Not to say that they are not looking to make a deal, but I think they are pretty comfortable with the team they have and it has to be the right deal ... not a panic deal to get under the cap.