Confirmed: Sabres sign Ehrhoff

[LGR4GM]

The usual suspect "mentioned at various times this spring and summer on this board..."

 

Fair enough on Malkin, but not out the realm, but what do you mean about you wish this would go away... the No. 1 center or the part about in the know? If it is the No. 1 center issue??, do you think the Sabres can do without one or is the phrase overused... then use Talented center that can set up people, score and yet have heart and physical strength to get back on D, okay that is oversimplified, but my model would be someone like Pavel Datsyuk.

the problem with that is that you just named an ALL-STAR Center that every single team in the league with the exception of like 3 wouldnt love to have on there team.... I'm thinking we would be better off getting someone like J. Staal more than Malkin but that's just me. I wonder if Sekera, (insert prospect here) and a pick would do it... of course i doubt pitts does anything until after Crosby is healthy and Staal would add salary if you traded Sekera somehow for him and thats not helpful either.

[nfreeman]

Anyone think a Vanek for Malkin or Roy for Malkin plus a defenseman makes sense? Malkin has been a name out there and with the TPegs PA connection you have to think that would be something they would work on?

I'm thinking we would be better off getting someone like J. Staal more than Malkin but that's just me. I wonder if Sekera, (insert prospect here) and a pick would do it... of course i doubt pitts does anything until after Crosby is healthy and Staal would add salary if you traded Sekera somehow for him and thats not helpful either.

Dear God in heaven.

 

Pittsburgh is NOT going to trade Malkin or Staal (or Crosby, for that matter). There is no conceivable reason for them to do so. Those 3 are the core of a team that went to the finals 2 years in a row and won one of them. They haven't even entered their primes yet. Not to mention the fact that it's far from certain how healthy Crosby is.

 

I won't even address how ridiculous the proposed offer for Staal is.

[North Buffalo]

the problem with that is that you just named an ALL-STAR Center that every single team in the league with the exception of like 3 wouldnt love to have on there team.... I'm thinking we would be better off getting someone like J. Staal more than Malkin but that's just me. I wonder if Sekera, (insert prospect here) and a pick would do it... of course i doubt pitts does anything until after Crosby is healthy and Staal would add salary if you traded Sekera somehow for him and thats not helpful either.

 

Staal would be great. I only mentioned Malkin as a possibility because he keeps coming up in trade rumors on the NHL network and yes not until Crosby is deemed healthy so that probably nixes any deal with any other team in the short term.

 

But with Regier mentioning trade to get under the salary cap, what is thought about the possibilities... pure salary dump for draft picks or legitimate player?

[inkman]

But with Regier mentioning trade to get under the salary cap, what is thought about the possibilities... pure salary dump for draft picks or legitimate player?

gotta be draft picks or prospects

[Eleven]

:lol:

 

How hard is that conversation though?

 

Terry: I want Erhoff.

Darcy: He'll be expensive.

Terry: I got the money.

Darcy: Damn, this is going to be fun.

 

Exactly. And the man can pull off trades now, too. It is going to be a fun ride, the next few years.

[LGR4GM]

Dear God in heaven.

 

Pittsburgh is NOT going to trade Malkin or Staal (or Crosby, for that matter). There is no conceivable reason for them to do so. Those 3 are the core of a team that went to the finals 2 years in a row and won one of them. They haven't even entered their primes yet. Not to mention the fact that it's far from certain how healthy Crosby is.

 

I won't even address how ridiculous the proposed offer for Staal is.

So you are saying that Staal, Malkin, and Crosby will play their entire careers with Pittsburg because there is no way or possibility of them being traded because they are the core of a team... kinda like Carter and Richards...

 

Also you are suggesting that a 3rd line center who is probably actually more of a good 2nd line center is worth way more than Sekera (puck moving defensemen with huge upside) Kassian or similar top prospect and a 1st round pick... after seeing what Carter and Richards were traded for I have to disagree with that assessment and say that a current NHL player, a top prospect and a pick with Pittsburg actually dumping salary would make this move a very good one for them and a bit of an overpayment for the sabres. Just because you are on pittsburg doesnt mean you can't be traded. Staal equals what I said, Sekera-Kassian-1st rnd and that might be a slight overpayment.

 

Also there are a lot of reasons for the Pens to trade a center considering they have 21.4 million or 1/3 of the cap tied up in centers it makes every conceivable sense for them to trade 1 of those guys within the next 2 years because Crosby and Malkin are going to get raises probably and Staal too. Personally it makes a lot of sense to pay a 3rd line center less than even 4 mil (look at gaustad or even a player like hecht) So yes, if Crosby is healthy and Malkin is too then the pens might trade for a puck mover (they just traded goligoski) also a lot of teams with the talents of Malkin and Crosby would love a tank like Kassian out there with them so there is that plus you get a 1st round pick which could be far better than Staal... return on investment is very high for the pens and ergo yes I think that it is a decent offer and No, I do not expect the Pens to trade a center before the start of the season but at some point 1 of those 3 centers will out of necessity play for a different team.

 

Finally, Pittsburgh has not won a cup or see the finals in over 2 years now so... I am going to say that their team is no longer good enough and that you can't rely on 3 players for everything... time to rethink the system.

 

If you really hate this conversation or have a good reason why Pits won't trade anyone other than what happend 3 years ago then post some sort of rebuttle other than you saying what you did above. I am open for debate.

[Eleven]

So you are saying that Staal, Malkin, and Crosby will play their entire careers with Pittsburg because there is no way or possibility of them being traded because they are the core of a team... kinda like Carter and Richards...

 

Also you are suggesting that a 3rd line center who is probably actually more of a good 2nd line center is worth way more than Sekera (puck moving defensemen with huge upside) Kassian or similar top prospect and a 1st round pick... after seeing what Carter and Richards were traded for I have to disagree with that assessment and say that a current NHL player, a top prospect and a pick with Pittsburg actually dumping salary would make this move a very good one for them and a bit of an overpayment for the sabres. Just because you are on pittsburg doesnt mean you can't be traded. Staal equals what I said, Sekera-Kassian-1st rnd and that might be a slight overpayment.

 

Also there are a lot of reasons for the Pens to trade a center considering they have 21.4 million or 1/3 of the cap tied up in centers it makes every conceivable sense for them to trade 1 of those guys within the next 2 years because Crosby and Malkin are going to get raises probably and Staal too. Personally it makes a lot of sense to pay a 3rd line center less than even 4 mil (look at gaustad or even a player like hecht) So yes, if Crosby is healthy and Malkin is too then the pens might trade for a puck mover (they just traded goligoski) also a lot of teams with the talents of Malkin and Crosby would love a tank like Kassian out there with them so there is that plus you get a 1st round pick which could be far better than Staal... return on investment is very high for the pens and ergo yes I think that it is a decent offer and No, I do not expect the Pens to trade a center before the start of the season but at some point 1 of those 3 centers will out of necessity play for a different team.

 

Finally, Pittsburgh has not won a cup or see the finals in over 2 years now so... I am going to say that their team is no longer good enough and that you can't rely on 3 players for everything... time to rethink the system.

 

If you really hate this conversation or have a good reason why Pits won't trade anyone other than what happend 3 years ago then post some sort of rebuttle other than you saying what you did above. I am open for debate.

 

FFS, is this still going on?

[LGR4GM]

FFS, is this still going on?

Not saying it will happen just that it has some merit.

 

ps: thxs my troll :thumbsup: your continued trolling only heightens my awesomeness. :clapping:

[spndnchz]

The article today states that Darcy would rather make trades to get under the salary cap rather than moving people to the minors.

 

? Chz or anyone else in the know. Does that mean dumping players for draft choices or potentially a block buster for a number 1 center.

 

If the former, we can probably all name names, but the later I am thinking could be rather surprising i.e, , the Sabres would have to give up someone of significance to get something in return, a la Vanek, or Roy or Stafford and a defensemen or two.

 

The usual trade bait suspects include Boyes, Hecht, and Pommonville,

 

I left Kotalik out because he would either be a straight salary dump unless sent to the minors. I just don't think he is worth anything anywhere.

 

So what are the odds DR is able to pull off a trade before the Salary Cap deadline?

 

Anyone think a Vanek for Malkin or Roy for Malkin plus a defenseman makes sense? Malkin has been a name out there and with the TPegs PA connection you have to think that would be something they would work on?

 

Islanders, Jets and Av's haven't even hit the cap floor yet. Trading Kotes could give u a pick somewhere. Always better than burying in AHL imo. And if they did and had to bring him up and someone grabs him ur on the hook for half. Pegs may like to spend but I doubt he likes to waste money.

 

We already got an extra 2nd round pick for taking Kotalik, getting even a 5th rounder to give him away would be even better.

[Chief Enabler]

Islanders, Jets and Av's haven't even hit the cap floor yet. Trading Kotes could give u a pick somewhere. Always better than burying in AHL imo. And if they did and had to bring him up and someone grabs him ur on the hook for half. Pegs may like to spend but I doubt he likes to waste money.

 

We already got an extra 2nd round pick for taking Kotalik, getting even a 5th rounder to give him away would be even better.

Only way you do it, is to pull a Buddy nix/lee Evans deal; kotalik for a 4th rounder salary dump. Good luck!

[LGR4GM]

Ehrhoff sounds very balanced and excited, I think Regehr and himself will bring a calming presence to the lockeroom and help Myers develop into Weber 2.0.... cant wait for this season to start only 50 days to go

[RazielSabre]

Seriously excited now, the is hopefully going to be an awesome season. Not altogether surprised to hear that Regier wants to deal with the cap issue via trade. Hopefully it'll be an interesting month(ish) leading up to the season.

[nfreeman]

So you are saying that Staal, Malkin, and Crosby will play their entire careers with Pittsburg because there is no way or possibility of them being traded because they are the core of a team... kinda like Carter and Richards...

 

Also you are suggesting that a 3rd line center who is probably actually more of a good 2nd line center is worth way more than Sekera (puck moving defensemen with huge upside) Kassian or similar top prospect and a 1st round pick... after seeing what Carter and Richards were traded for I have to disagree with that assessment and say that a current NHL player, a top prospect and a pick with Pittsburg actually dumping salary would make this move a very good one for them and a bit of an overpayment for the sabres. Just because you are on pittsburg doesnt mean you can't be traded. Staal equals what I said, Sekera-Kassian-1st rnd and that might be a slight overpayment.

 

Also there are a lot of reasons for the Pens to trade a center considering they have 21.4 million or 1/3 of the cap tied up in centers it makes every conceivable sense for them to trade 1 of those guys within the next 2 years because Crosby and Malkin are going to get raises probably and Staal too. Personally it makes a lot of sense to pay a 3rd line center less than even 4 mil (look at gaustad or even a player like hecht) So yes, if Crosby is healthy and Malkin is too then the pens might trade for a puck mover (they just traded goligoski) also a lot of teams with the talents of Malkin and Crosby would love a tank like Kassian out there with them so there is that plus you get a 1st round pick which could be far better than Staal... return on investment is very high for the pens and ergo yes I think that it is a decent offer and No, I do not expect the Pens to trade a center before the start of the season but at some point 1 of those 3 centers will out of necessity play for a different team.

 

Finally, Pittsburgh has not won a cup or see the finals in over 2 years now so... I am going to say that their team is no longer good enough and that you can't rely on 3 players for everything... time to rethink the system.

 

If you really hate this conversation or have a good reason why Pits won't trade anyone other than what happend 3 years ago then post some sort of rebuttle other than you saying what you did above. I am open for debate.

There is so much nonsense in this post that it's hard to know where to begin. Here are a few items:

 

Crosby and Malkin are both much, much better players than Carter and Richards.

 

Pittsburgh has no cap issues for this season or next season.

 

For puck-moving defensemen, they also have Letang and Paul Martin, both of whom are significantly better than Sekera at this point.

 

No GM of sound mind would trade a terrific NHL center (which Staal is) for a defenseman who was healthy-scratched quite a few times last year, plus a prospect without a single NHL game under his belt and what is likely to be a low first-round pick.

 

Finally, Pittsburgh was having a very good year last year until their season was torpedoed by the injuries to Malkin and Crosby. It would be insane to "rethink the system."

 

FFS, is this still going on?

I can't help it.

[RazielSabre]

There is so much nonsense in this post that it's hard to know where to begin. Here are a few items:

 

Crosby and Malkin are both much, much better players than Carter and Richards.

 

Pittsburgh has no cap issues for this season or next season.

 

For puck-moving defensemen, they also have Letang and Paul Martin, both of whom are significantly better than Sekera at this point.

 

No GM of sound mind would trade a terrific NHL center (which Staal is) for a defenseman who was healthy-scratched quite a few times last year, plus a prospect without a single NHL game under his belt and what is likely to be a low first-round pick.

 

Finally, Pittsburgh was having a very good year last year until their season was torpedoed by the injuries to Malkin and Crosby. It would be insane to "rethink the system."

 

 

I can't help it.

 

While I've not been following this thread I would add that I guarantee Malkin or Staal get traded within the next 2 seasons. I very much doubt we'd be the destination. Those two plus Crosby can command too much money.

[LGR4GM]

There is so much nonsense in this post that it's hard to know where to begin. Here are a few items:

 

Crosby and Malkin are both much, much better players than Carter and Richards.

 

Pittsburgh has no cap issues for this season or next season.

 

For puck-moving defensemen, they also have Letang and Paul Martin, both of whom are significantly better than Sekera at this point.

 

No GM of sound mind would trade a terrific NHL center (which Staal is) for a defenseman who was healthy-scratched quite a few times last year, plus a prospect without a single NHL game under his belt and what is likely to be a low first-round pick.

 

Finally, Pittsburgh was having a very good year last year until their season was torpedoed by the injuries to Malkin and Crosby. It would be insane to "rethink the system."

 

 

I can't help it.

Really Martin is a good puck moving defender? Better than Sekera will be? I can't agree with that, its nonsense. Especially considering Sekera's ability as a set up guy. Also Sekera played 76 games, I am pretty sure he got injured and so how many times was he healthy scratched? 1 or 2 times?

 

I never said Malkin or Crosby was as good as Carter or Richards I was saying staal certainly is in that ball park though. Calling Staal "terrific" is interesting, hes solid but I would not go as far as terrific. GM's also trade for highly touted top prospects all the time. "Richards and Flyers prospect Rob Bordson were traded to the Los Angeles Kings on June 23, 2011. In return, the Flyers received Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, and Los Angeles' 2012 second round pick" Surely that sort of package could easily get a player who has never topped 50pts in an NHL season.

 

Also, it is not about being in cap trouble it is about spending 1/3 of their salary on centers and wasting Malkin/Crosby's talent because they have lousy wingers. If a GM could trade for a highly touted RW prospect who is built like a tank then they might consider shipping out a 3 line center for that. My view as a GM would be that Kassian would give you the return of the grit you lost in Staal

 

Derek Roy and Ryan Miller were injured last season and the Sabres still were one of the best teams down the stretch. Pitts without Malkin, or crosby kinda started to fade and ultimately didnt do anything of value in the playoffs. If I am the gm I am looking at that situation and wondering if Crosby will come back and how long Malkin will last. They have a huge drop off in talent. If You could shed salary and add depth to a defense that honestly is only decent then I would do it. Not to mention they have a lack of skill at RW.

 

Finally, a 1st rounder is still a 1st rounder even if the sabres are 5/6 overall this year. 1st rounders are easily tradable, highly sought especially in a draft that some have said will be very good (its still way to early to tell) Basically for a 2nd line center I think a lot of teams including pitts would be pleased for all that "nonsense"

 

"Richards and Flyers prospect Rob Bordson were traded to the Los Angeles Kings on June 23, 2011. In return, the Flyers received Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, and Los Angeles' 2012 second round pick" - This tells me its more than a possibility and it is not nonsense.

 

edit: by rethink the system I mean not put all your hopes and dreams into Malkin and Crosby alone... spread the talent a little more.

[Weave]

While I've not been following this thread I would add that I guarantee Malkin or Staal get traded within the next 2 seasons. I very much doubt we'd be the destination. Those two plus Crosby can command too much money.

 

You've got the cart ahead of the horse here. Neither of those two players go anywhere until Crosby has a full season at full performance under his belt. He's still suffering effects from his concussion. If he is still not up to elite level this time next year Staal and Malkin won't go anywhere.

[SwampD]

You've got the cart ahead of the horse here. Neither of those two players go anywhere until Crosby has a full season at full performance under his belt. He's still suffering effects from his concussion. If he is still not up to elite level this time next year Staal and Malkin won't go anywhere.

Just a little side note, here. I really hope that Crosby has a full recovery. I know he's not a Sabre, but It would really be a shame if that much talent was destroyed by a concussion. The NHL is better with him in it.

[inkman]

"Richards and Flyers prospect Rob Bordson were traded to the Los Angeles Kings on June 23, 2011. In return, the Flyers received Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, and Los Angeles' 2012 second round pick" - This tells me its more than a possibility and it is not nonsense.

You do realize Schenn is the top prospect in all of hockey. Also, Staal's value is similar to Richards. So essentially, the Sabres would have to trade a prospect who's value they don't have plus a good young player (gerbe?) and a draft pick to obtain some like staal. Then there is the whole matter of fitting him under the cap. Myers is going to eat up much of the room coming off the books next year so the Sabres would likely have to move someone out to make room.

[LGR4GM]

You do realize Schenn is the top prospect in all of hockey. Also, Staal's value is similar to Richards. So essentially, the Sabres would have to trade a prospect who's value they don't have plus a good young player (gerbe?) and a draft pick to obtain some like staal. Then there is the whole matter of fitting him under the cap. Myers is going to eat up much of the room coming off the books next year so the Sabres would likely have to move someone out to make room.

No I don't realize anything... I don't know jack about hockey or what goes on in this league... <_<

 

Do you realize that Mike Richards is a #1 center and Staal is a 2 at best so ergo he would return less of a package? Staal is a good physical player but he is not worth more than a top prospect, a player (sekera isnt a young player?) and a 1st rounder? that is almost as much as Philly got for richards... this board in general has some weird value of their players and then others around the league...

 

PS: Who would have thought you would get Regehr for what we got him for?

[inkman]

No I don't realize anything... I don't know jack about hockey or what goes on in this league...

At least we agree on one thing... :thumbsup:

 

 

Would make a good sig line too. B-)

[LGR4GM]

At least we agree on one thing... :thumbsup:

 

 

Would make a good sig line too. B-)

wow, your complete lack of any sort of content in that post should be a surprise but it's not. Congrats for being a boring person who thinks they know everything and that "I'm right and you are wrong!" mentality is the exact reason this country is so screwed and will probably cease being a world superpower within the next 15 years.

 

Also, thanks for attacking me and please hit -1 on more of my posts, having a -190 whatever rating really does hurt me to the core... o wait no it doesn't :thumbsup:

 

ps: your and idiot if you think Staal is equal to M. Richards

[BuffaloSoldier2010]

But why is the rum gone?

[X. Benedict]

 

 

ps: your and idiot if you think Staal is equal to M. Richards

 

I might be one too. I'd take Staal over Richards.

[carpandean]

Finally, a 1st rounder is still a 1st rounder even if the sabres are 5/6 overall this year. 1st rounders are easily tradable, highly sought especially in a draft that some have said will be very good (its still way to early to tell) Basically for a 2nd line center I think a lot of teams including pitts would be pleased for all that "nonsense"

Biggest fallacy in keyboard GMing. While only rough and certainly year dependent (for example, the first #'s below might be a top-heavy draft class), I would break draft picks into the following distinct groups:

 

Top 1-2

Rest of the top 5-6

Rest of the top 10-15

Rest of the top 20-30

Second round

Third-fourth rounds

Rest of the draft

 

While each one of those categories will have a jump in between, the biggest jumps by far are at the top. Ask yourself this: if you are a GM fielding trade offers, which would you rather have (1) Islanders' or Oilers' or Panthers' 2012 1st round pick, or (2) Red Wings' or Penguins' or Bruins' 2012 and 2013 1st round picks? If you answer (2), then you better be a team stocked with stars and just looking for depth. Even then, I don't think that's the smart move. My point is that the talent drops off quickly from the top picks in many drafts, so GMs can't think "a 1st round pick is a first round pick." A team that is expected to be very good next year is basically offering the same as an early second-round pick. It sounds good to say "a first rounder" but it just not that simple.

[spndnchz]

Biggest fallacy in keyboard GMing. While only rough and certainly year dependent (for example, the first #'s below might be a top-heavy draft class), I would break draft picks into the following distinct groups:

 

Top 1-2

Rest of the top 5-6

Rest of the top 10-15

Rest of the top 20-30

Second round

Third-fourth rounds

Rest of the draft

 

While each one of those categories will have a jump in between, the biggest jumps by far are at the top. Ask yourself this: if you are a GM fielding trade offers, which would you rather have (1) Islanders' or Oilers' or Panthers' 2012 1st round pick, or (2) Red Wings' or Penguins' or Bruins' 2012 and 2013 1st round picks? If you answer (2), then you better be a team stocked with stars and just looking for depth. Even then, I don't think that's the smart move. My point is that the talent drops off quickly from the top picks in many drafts, so GMs can't think "a 1st round pick is a first round pick." A team that is expected to be very good next year is basically offering the same as an early second-round pick. It sounds good to say "a first rounder" but it just not that simple.

 

And to think this thread was going down the tubes.