VansTheMans Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 Parise's name has been floating around in the rumor mill for a while now. Assuming he truly is available and is unhappy in New Jersey, and add in the fact that him and Stafford are close friends, I think there'd be a realistic shot at acquiring him. If so, what should the Sabres give up to get him? He made 5 million last season and is an RFA. I'd assume he'd get in the ballpark of 6.5-7 million a season. The way I see it, the Sabres can go about getting Parise in two possible ways: -Do the Sabres throw him an offer sheet that New Jersey cannot match? If so, I'd think it'd have to be a 7 million/season offer and we'd have to surrender our 1st round for the next 4 years (correct?). Would Parise be worth that? Is our prospect pool deep enough to take that kind of hit? -Or the Sabres could trade for Parise, acquire his rights and sign him to a contract. This would require moving some bodies. What would New Jersey be looking for in return? I'd assume a top six forward, prospects and some picks. What top six forward would you be comfortable moving to acquire a player like Parise? Both options have their pros and cons. If we could acquire Parise via offer sheet without having to move a body, the Sabres would field one of the deepest offenses in the NHL (Roy, Vanek, Stafford, Pominville, Parise, Boyes, Ennis, Gerbe). With Parise on board, we could field three legit scoring lines. This is an attractive option, but we'd be giving up a great deal of our future by forgoing the 1st round of the draft the next four seasons. It is possible though that the Sabres could move bodies at a later date, and attempt to make up some of the lost picks. If we move a body to acquire Parise, we lose some of our offensive punch (assuming we move a forward), but we also don't have to surrender very valuable draft picks. I think it comes down to WHO the Devils would want in return for Parise. I have a feeling the Devils would desire Roy. If that was the case, this would be a very difficult trade to make. We're already so critically weak at the center position, it'd be difficult to trade away a commodity like Roy. What does Sabrespace think?
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 Parise's name has been floating around in the rumor mill for a while now. Assuming he truly is available and is unhappy in New Jersey, and add in the fact that him and Stafford are close friends, I think there'd be a realistic shot at acquiring him. If so, what should the Sabres give up to get him? He made 5 million last season and is an RFA. I'd assume he'd get in the ballpark of 6.5-7 million a season. The way I see it, the Sabres can go about getting Parise in two possible ways: -Do the Sabres throw him an offer sheet that New Jersey cannot match? If so, I'd think it'd have to be a 7 million/season offer and we'd have to surrender our 1st round for the next 4 years (correct?). Would Parise be worth that? Is our prospect pool deep enough to take that kind of hit? -Or the Sabres could trade for Parise, acquire his rights and sign him to a contract. This would require moving some bodies. What would New Jersey be looking for in return? I'd assume a top six forward, prospects and some picks. What top six forward would you be comfortable moving to acquire a player like Parise? Both options have their pros and cons. If we could acquire Parise via offer sheet without having to move a body, the Sabres would field one of the deepest offenses in the NHL (Roy, Vanek, Stafford, Pominville, Parise, Boyes, Ennis, Gerbe). With Parise on board, we could field three legit scoring lines. This is an attractive option, but we'd be giving up a great deal of our future by forgoing the 1st round of the draft the next four seasons. It is possible though that the Sabres could move bodies at a later date, and attempt to make up some of the lost picks. If we move a body to acquire Parise, we lose some of our offensive punch (assuming we move a forward), but we also don't have to surrender very valuable draft picks. I think it comes down to WHO the Devils would want in return for Parise. I have a feeling the Devils would desire Roy. If that was the case, this would be a very difficult trade to make. We're already so critically weak at the center position, it'd be difficult to trade away a commodity like Roy. What does Sabrespace think? Thought about this at the beginning of the season, and as much as i hate to say it, I just don't see it happening. Parise is slated to be the captain of that team and has gone on record saying he plans on being a devil for life. It's the same as the Kane argument, while it'd be nice to have, our needs are at center and D, not wings.
Braedon Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 Thought about this at the beginning of the season, and as much as i hate to say it, I just don't see it happening. Parise is slated to be the captain of that team and has gone on record saying he plans on being a devil for life. It's the same as the Kane argument, while it'd be nice to have, our needs are at center and D, not wings. He'd be a big upgrade over all our wingers. A favorite of mine, and one of the best LW in the game. That said, he's restricted. And I have a feeling he'll be locked up sometime this summer. Further, I think we need to focus on trading for a top line center. Though they don't grow on trees, if were going to sell the farm for a player of need, it's definitely center before wing.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 He'd be a big upgrade over all our wingers. A favorite of mine, and one of the best LW in the game. That said, he's restricted. And I have a feeling he'll be locked up sometime this summer. Further, I think we need to focus on trading for a top line center. Though they don't grow on trees, if were going to sell the farm for a player of need, it's definitely center before wing. no doubt he's one of the best, he's simply just not what we need most at this time.
dudacek Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 I've been on the Parise bandwagon for months. The Devils will have to dump salary to afford him. Even with the concussion issue, at his age and ability he's worth risking the four first-rounders. it's too bad he's a Devil and Lou is a vindictive hardass. I'd be worried about him matching, trading him elsewhere and doing something to get back at us in the future. So that would be a last resort. As for the trade value, the bar for salary dump of a star was set way back with Mogilny for Peca, Wilson and a first. It still seems to be relatively in place. The first is easy enough: The young NHLer with upside would probably be Ennis, Gerbe, Sekera (Weber, Butler and Kaleta just don't have enough upside) We have a lengthy list of prospects. New Jersey would start with Ennis and Kassian. Darcy would counter with Sekera and Scheistel. Sekera and Kassian might get it done. Assuming the Devils decide they have to trade him.
Braedon Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 I've been on the Parise bandwagon for months. The Devils will have to dump salary to afford him. Even with the concussion issue, at his age and ability he's worth risking the four first-rounders. The can opt for arbitration and keep him locked up for another year, and he'd never hit RFA
Lanny Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 -Do the Sabres throw him an offer sheet that New Jersey cannot match? If so, I'd think it'd have to be a 7 million/season offer and we'd have to surrender our 1st round for the next 4 years (correct?). Would Parise be worth that? Is our prospect pool deep enough to take that kind of hit? $1,034,249 or below: No compensation $1,034,249 -- $1,567,043: Third-round pick $1,567,043 -- $3,134,055: Second-round pick $3,134,088 -- $4,701,131: First and third-round pick $4,701,131 -- $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick $6,268,175 -- $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks It depends on how long of a contract you're looking to sign him to, $7.8M for 5 years would only cost a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd. Rumor has it NJ may take Parise to arbitration to avoid an offer sheet.
Weave Posted June 4, 2011 Report Posted June 4, 2011 He's a LW. We already have Vanek, Ennis, and Gerbe as scoring LW's. Yeah, he's better than all 3 of them but we need centers, not LW's.
VansTheMans Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Posted June 4, 2011 He's a quality player that could be available. Doesn't happen often in this league. I don't see us ever acquiring a stud centerman. Might as well get a stud LW.
inkman Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 So who's the next player on the wish list of wanna be GM's? Stamkos -no (just like we've been saying) Parise - no (just like we've been saying)
dudacek Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 I still think Carter, Richards or Briere are the most likely targets as Philly clears room for a goalie.
LGR4GM Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 Parise's name has been floating around in the rumor mill for a while now. Assuming he truly is available and is unhappy in New Jersey, and add in the fact that him and Stafford are close friends, I think there'd be a realistic shot at acquiring him. If so, what should the Sabres give up to get him? He made 5 million last season and is an RFA. I'd assume he'd get in the ballpark of 6.5-7 million a season. The way I see it, the Sabres can go about getting Parise in two possible ways: -Do the Sabres throw him an offer sheet that New Jersey cannot match? If so, I'd think it'd have to be a 7 million/season offer and we'd have to surrender our 1st round for the next 4 years (correct?). Would Parise be worth that? Is our prospect pool deep enough to take that kind of hit? -Or the Sabres could trade for Parise, acquire his rights and sign him to a contract. This would require moving some bodies. What would New Jersey be looking for in return? I'd assume a top six forward, prospects and some picks. What top six forward would you be comfortable moving to acquire a player like Parise? Both options have their pros and cons. If we could acquire Parise via offer sheet without having to move a body, the Sabres would field one of the deepest offenses in the NHL (Roy, Vanek, Stafford, Pominville, Parise, Boyes, Ennis, Gerbe). With Parise on board, we could field three legit scoring lines. This is an attractive option, but we'd be giving up a great deal of our future by forgoing the 1st round of the draft the next four seasons. It is possible though that the Sabres could move bodies at a later date, and attempt to make up some of the lost picks. If we move a body to acquire Parise, we lose some of our offensive punch (assuming we move a forward), but we also don't have to surrender very valuable draft picks. I think it comes down to WHO the Devils would want in return for Parise. I have a feeling the Devils would desire Roy. If that was the case, this would be a very difficult trade to make. We're already so critically weak at the center position, it'd be difficult to trade away a commodity like Roy. What does Sabrespace think? let me think trrade for anther freaking left wing,,,,,,,,,,, no heres a crazy idea, get someone we need like idk a center like oooo idk Pavelski, richards, carter, malkin, sharp, harry potter, patrick berglund, but hey we all seem to think that Ennis is a ###### player so yea lets screw a rookie with 49 pts but pay drew millions for finally making 50pts... weve entered the land of stupid and are multiplying woooo happy days are here again :clapping: It amazes me, we cant trade for a center or offer sheet one but damn can we get some lw in here to help out our lw which sucks terribly. Vanek was terrible las year as was Ennis lets dump those weakling and get some real talent!!!! BOOOOO PROGRESS AN CUPPS WOOOO MEDIOCRITY!!!!
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 let me think trrade for anther freaking left wing,,,,,,,,,,, no heres a crazy idea, get someone we need like idk a center like oooo idk Pavelski, richards, carter, malkin, sharp, harry potter, patrick berglund, but hey we all seem to think that Ennis is a ###### player so yea lets screw a rookie with 49 pts but pay drew millions for finally making 50pts... weve entered the land of stupid and are multiplying woooo happy days are here again :clapping: It amazes me, we cant trade for a center or offer sheet one but damn can we get some lw in here to help out our lw which sucks terribly. Vanek was terrible las year as was Ennis lets dump those weakling and get some real talent!!!! BOOOOO PROGRESS AN CUPPS WOOOO MEDIOCRITY!!!! It'd be a trade that would improve the team, theres no question about that. But its clearly not the top priority, which i think has been seen in all the other posts. Also, i've noticed you reference Harry Potter QUITE a bit. is there some kind of adoration there...?
SabresFan526 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 Parise's name has been floating around in the rumor mill for a while now. Assuming he truly is available and is unhappy in New Jersey, and add in the fact that him and Stafford are close friends, I think there'd be a realistic shot at acquiring him. If so, what should the Sabres give up to get him? A bunch of stuff I love Parise. I would love for Parise to be on the Sabres. And, Parise is good buddies with Stafford who is now signed here long term. Parise and Stafford would be a great fit, but the problem is that he's not a center and I think that's what the Sabres need desperately right now. I have heard that he played center in college and at Shattuck, but he's a Left Wing in the NHL, and he's not the top need for the Sabres. But, if a deal is there that would add Parise to the team and get the Sabres a top line centerman, I'm all for Parise being on the Sabres. Just don't think it's the biggest need or will happen. I still think Carter, Richards or Briere are the most likely targets as Philly clears room for a goalie. This. Philly's in big trouble and they have 4 guys who can play center and lousy goalies. They are also completely strapped against the cap even if the cap increases to $62.5 million. As of right now, they would have difficulty re-signing JVR long term after this upcoming year (he's signed for next year on his entry level deal) and getting a goalie on the UFA market which are their top two offseason priorities. This is why I think going after one of their 4 centers is the most likely trade target for Buffalo. I don't think Richards leaves because he is the captain even though I've heard he doesn't get along with Laviolette. There is zero chance they trade Giroux as he's young, under contract, and very cheap contract, so we can forget that. Carter and Briere are the two most realistic options. Carter is younger and is a big time goal scorer, which is what the Sabres need, but you take on a huge risk if you take on his 11 year contract, so I'm not sure Carter is the target. That leaves Briere who has a bigger cap number, smaller salary, and has only about 3 years remaining on his contract. He likely would waive his NMC to come to Buffalo, so that seems realistic in my mind, and of course he's a good fit here. I'd prefer Carter, but the contract is too risky in my mind. But, I agree here, Philly is the team to target as they are completely up against the cap right now and I think re-signing JVR for after next season and goalie are more important than keeping 4 scoring centers, especially when one could be sacrificed. That's my thought.
VansTheMans Posted June 5, 2011 Author Report Posted June 5, 2011 Not interested in Carter. He doesn't show up in big games. Richards won't be moved. Briere could be brought back in.
LGR4GM Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 It'd be a trade that would improve the team, theres no question about that. But its clearly not the top priority, which i think has been seen in all the other posts. Also, i've noticed you reference Harry Potter QUITE a bit. is there some kind of adoration there...? No but maybe instead of Potter I should Insert Beiber. Basically i mean someone who looks good on paper but honestly sucks a bit or is someone that is unnecessary its just my sarcasm. As for Parise if it comes down to it that he is all you can get than yes you get him but then he or Vanek must learn to play center so.... not my first choice but he would help.
VansTheMans Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Posted June 6, 2011 If you have a crop of talented wingers, do you think you could get by without a playmaking center?
Taro T Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 If you have a crop of talented wingers, do you think you could get by without a playmaking center? I think we all saw how that works out in practice this past season.
LGR4GM Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 If you have a crop of talented wingers, do you think you could get by without a playmaking center? if you had parise and ignila and vanek on your team sure you could do it. The problem is right now our only real scoring threat is vanek and you need to give him some help. Roy will help and if staff comes along that will assist but the quickest way to find that offense is to bring it a top center to dish the puck to guys and let them shovel it in.
VansTheMans Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Posted June 6, 2011 I think we all saw how that works out in practice this past season. With Vanek stepping it up and scoring 48 points in 43 games from January 1 through the end of the year, despite only receiving on average 17:21 ice time per game, the lowest ice time per game for any player with more than 65 points last season?
Weave Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 With Vanek stepping it up and scoring 48 points in 43 games from January 1 through the end of the year, despite only receiving on average 17:21 ice time per game, the lowest ice time per game for any player with more than 65 points last season? And then they couldn't sustain any offense in the playoffs against a top team. Unless the wingers are Ovechkin or Kovalchuck center needs to be priority.
HopefulFuture Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 if you had parise and ignila and vanek on your team sure you could do it. The problem is right now our only real scoring threat is vanek and you need to give him some help. Roy will help and if staff comes along that will assist but the quickest way to find that offense is to bring it a top center to dish the puck to guys and let them shovel it in. Vanek - Roy - Stafford line didn't work out so well. Vanek and Roy play ok together, but Vanek really came around with Roy's absence. Stafford plays decent with Ennis, all they need is a center. So what are we looking at feasibly with regards to line combinations with some chemistry, or atleast some ability to work together from time to time? Vanek - Roy - Pominville ? Seen this before, wasn't impressed. Maybe Boyes at RW? What about getting Vanek and Boyes a new center? Probably not reasonable to remove Roy from the equation altogether so it looks like we are stuck with Roy in some capacity either on this line or the Stafford/Ennis line. Niether prospect looks promising given past indications when it comes to chemistry and attempting to maximize production output. Ennis - Boyes - Stafford ? Seen this before, surely wasn't impressed with Boyes in the middle there, so who would be a good fit at center for Ennis and Stafford?
LGR4GM Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Vanek - Roy - Stafford line didn't work out so well. Vanek and Roy play ok together, but Vanek really came around with Roy's absence. Stafford plays decent with Ennis, all they need is a center. So what are we looking at feasibly with regards to line combinations with some chemistry, or atleast some ability to work together from time to time? Vanek - Roy - Pominville ? Seen this before, wasn't impressed. Maybe Boyes at RW? What about getting Vanek and Boyes a new center? Probably not reasonable to remove Roy from the equation altogether so it looks like we are stuck with Roy in some capacity either on this line or the Stafford/Ennis line. Niether prospect looks promising given past indications when it comes to chemistry and attempting to maximize production output. Ennis - Boyes - Stafford ? Seen this before, surely wasn't impressed with Boyes in the middle there, so who would be a good fit at center for Ennis and Stafford? check the july 1 thread, My team on there works and would be good. http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/19438-july-1-now-we-can-discuss-it/page__st__640
spndnchz Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 Looking like Parise is going to arbitration.
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