nobody Posted May 31, 2011 Report Posted May 31, 2011 Interesting to see how being in Winnnipeg changes the dynamic. The possibility is that Winnipeg may be a big spender once the new owner is approved.
X. Benedict Posted May 31, 2011 Report Posted May 31, 2011 I agree some on the board have a skewed view of "the going rate." But a cap hit of $5 million would make Stafford the 10th highest-paid right winger in the game, or the 25th highest-paid winger. That's rich for a good second-liner. Michalek $4.3, Erikson $4.2, Erat $4.5, Wolski $3.8, Bourque $3.3, Lucic $4, Huselius $4.7, Lupul $4.2, Hartnell $4.2, Williams $3.5, Brown $3.1, Clowe $3.6 — these are Stafford's peers. Good thought....this may help.....RW rankings by TSN http://tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=31999
tom webster Posted May 31, 2011 Report Posted May 31, 2011 Stats, smats. None those three pass eye test. Let's go with Deluca's list.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 The possibility is that Winnipeg may be a big spender once the new owner is approved. i dont think they can afford to be a big spender until a few things get done. They'll need a bigger arena, and need it soon. I don't see that market sustaining itself on 39$ cheap seats. If they can add anywhere from 2-3 thousand more seats and lower the minimum price to say 30 or 35, that'll be a good start, and a nice boost in revenue. They'll spend the first few years (at least the first) figuring out what else needs to be done. Spending minimally to figure out what they're numbers should be. Don't forget, True north is a company, not a fanboy worth 4 billion plus. They're not willing to take perpetual losses. We sabres fans got it good with terry. Edit: do they really have the 23 billion guy backing them financially? i was unaware of this little factoid. If it's true than forget everything i just said.
deluca67 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Stats, smats. None those three pass eye test. Let's go with Deluca's list. A list that has Stafford ahead of the likes of Heatley, Kessel and Skinner? With this level of player ranking I only have two questions. When did John Guy start working for TSN? How did Maybin not make the list?
Weave Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 A list that has Stafford ahead of the likes of Heatley, Kessel and Skinner? With this level of player ranking I only have two questions. When did John Guy start working for TSN? How did Maybin not make the list? Check out some of the other tabs. On the Non-qualifiers page their math ends up with Roy ranked ahead of Malkin. Anyone here not on board with that trade straight up? Stats, shmats. :rolleyes:
deluca67 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Check out some of the other tabs. On the Non-qualifiers page their math ends up with Roy ranked ahead of Malkin. Anyone here not on board with that trade straight up? Stats, shmats. :rolleyes: $6 mil for the 15th ranked goalie in the NHL? There goes the trade value.
LastPommerFan Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Good thought....this may help.....RW rankings by TSN http://tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=31999 Unfortunately these rankings are for this season only. Not really much good when talking about contracts and such... 3 of the 35 best right wingers!
Lanny Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Crazy to see Pavelski on there, seeing as how he's our next franchise center. I guess SJ figured out a way to get all that talent on their top 2 lines.
tom webster Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Point is, where all the right wingers that would be an improvement? Either injured or unproductive.
dudacek Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 That list is just more evidence of how out to lunch the "Jason Pominville is a third-line winger" crowd is.
LGR4GM Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Those ranking are terrible, the yahoo fantasy ranking where much better all though I cant access them now that the season is over. If anyone can, the Yahoo Sports Fantasy rankings are much more accurate and Heatley doesnt rank about drew, of course the yahoo rankings give props to guys with a billion penalty minutes so they are not perfect but hey, Stafford is not better than Heatley, Pavelski, and Roy is not better than Malkin
tom webster Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Those ranking are terrible, the yahoo fantasy ranking where much better all though I cant access them now that the season is over. If anyone can, the Yahoo Sports Fantasy rankings are much more accurate and Heatley doesnt rank about drew, of course the yahoo rankings give props to guys with a billion penalty minutes so they are not perfect but hey, Stafford is not better than Heatley, Pavelski, and Roy is not better than Malkin Do ever just want to scream? I am done with this until the transactions start. Have fun everyone, I will keep reading.
deluca67 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Point is, where all the right wingers that would be an improvement? Either injured or unproductive. From all the depth at the wing that makes this team a center or two away from being a contender? :lol:
deluca67 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 He is. But you don't know why. :rolleyes: It's not a description of competence...it's a description of position. Nathan Horton is too. And doesn't hit much more than Stafford. Although it is a rather nebulous thing to describe...generally I would say a power forward is not a perimeter player, and relies on strength moves near the net. Which Stafford does. He's a little on the light side for the role. But it is where and how he scores his goals. (you may have a different description which is fine - but what Taro T wrote describing the development curve holds) You don't happen to have a link to one of those shot charts that show where Stafford scores from?
LastPommerFan Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 You don't happen to have a link to one of those shot charts that show where Stafford scores from? This is what makes him a "power forward" http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20102011,2,986&event=MIN995
deluca67 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 This is what makes him a "power forward" http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20102011,2,986&event=MIN995 Is Pominville considered a "power forward?" We saw him score the same exact goal.
LastPommerFan Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Is Pominville considered a "power forward?" We saw him score the same exact goal. It's an actual hockey term for a style of play. Here's the video I will not give up on you Deluca.
X. Benedict Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 A list that has Stafford ahead of the likes of Heatley, Kessel and Skinner? With this level of player ranking I only have two questions. When did John Guy start working for TSN? How did Maybin not make the list? Phil Kessel? :lol:
X. Benedict Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Is Pominville considered a "power forward?" We saw him score the same exact goal. It was a power move....but no, he's not. Pominville regularly goes to net, but rarely with the puck on his stick and a shoulder down.
BetweenThePipes00 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Is Pominville considered a "power forward?" We saw him score the same exact goal. Pominville score the exact same goal shorthanded against a forward not exactly known for his physical play (I assume that's the one you are talking about) ... Stafford scored it while getting punched in the head, literally. I'm not saying he is Cam Neely, but in today's game there are probably about 5 "power forwards" in the mold that we grew up with ... Stafford's not one of them, I agree, but he fits the 21st century description ... for better or worse.
carpandean Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Is Pominville considered a "power forward?" We saw him score the same exact goal. Yeah, but Stafford did it (at least) twice ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROpgotlFRsI ;)
BetweenThePipes00 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 Yeah, but Stafford did it (at least) twice ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROpgotlFRsI ;) Not sure that's a great example, just about anybody could have scored while everyone in white just watched ... at least Burns tried to stop him in the other one. But yeah, it is a "power" move ... Isn't it funny though (not just in this case but in general) how if you like the guy it's a good move and if you don't like the guy it's just that the defense or the goalie sucked? For instance, I wonder how many of Cam Neely's goals were scored thanks to "powering" past Phyllis Housley in their 8 matchups every season ...
Weave Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 ...in today's game there are probably about 5 "power forwards" in the mold that we grew up with ... Stafford's not one of them, I agree, but he fits the 21st century description ... for better or worse. This about sums things up, although I think I could make an argument that Stafford doesn't really fit the 21st century desctiption either, but it would come down to semantics and perception more than anything concrete. Stafford has all of the tools to be a classic power forward. Unfortunately he uses them in power forward fashion a couple times a year just to prove to himslef that he can still do it. And I am pretty sure that is the point that Deluca is making. Stafford acts like a power forward about as frequently as any other forward on our team. Hell, Neidstoretire made a helluva power move during the Philly series too. And IMO Boyes spent more time within arms reach of the net than Stafford did in the playoffs. Is he really a power forward if he has the tools but only opens the toolbox a couple times each season?
BetweenThePipes00 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Posted June 1, 2011 This about sums things up, although I think I could make an argument that Stafford doesn't really fit the 21st century desctiption either, but it would come down to semantics and perception more than anything concrete. Stafford has all of the tools to be a classic power forward. Unfortunately he uses them in power forward fashion a couple times a year just to prove to himslef that he can still do it. And I am pretty sure that is the point that Deluca is making. Stafford acts like a power forward about as frequently as any other forward on our team. Hell, Neidstoretire made a helluva power move during the Philly series too. And IMO Boyes spent more time within arms reach of the net than Stafford did in the playoffs. Is he really a power forward if he has the tools but only opens the toolbox a couple times each season? Yeah it is pretty much semantics ... because Vanek takes more crosschecks in his back than anyone since Rick Vaive and scores most of his goals within 5 feet of the crease but he doesn't rally make "power moves" to the net all that often. Is he a "power forward?" He's not what I think of when I hear the term, but that doesn't mean he's not a good player. Same thing for Stafford ... If this past season was the light coming on and he keeps getting better, great. If not, DeLuca might be right and he is a contract-year wonder who should not be rewarded for getting hot for a couple months. I lean more toward the light coming on, but this $4.3m number getting thrown around is a bit much I think ... but we'll see.
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