Foligno signed

[Lanny]

Foligno on WGR

 

http://audio.wgr550.com/a/40609593/5-27-marcus-foligno-on-the-howard-simon-show.htm?pageid=401026

[korab rules]

Yeah, it COULD be viewed as "putting the screws"to the kid. It also COULD be viewed as the kid's agent trying to take advantage of his strong season and milk every last penny he could for a 4th round pick. The deadline is the only leverage the kid has, and Foligno himself kind of hurt some of that saying MANY times he always wanted to play for the Sabres. He spent LAST summer working out at HSBC Arena ... he WANTED to sign. Everyone involved knew there was very little chance of him going back in if there was a fair offer involved. They ended up giving him slightly less than Kassian and $110K more per season than McNabb ... there is no way they were ever "putting the screws" to him. Seeing as McNabb got less money despite being a higher pick and having a huge season also, maybe his agent should have held out for more cash too.

 

ADD: I don't think "doing things differently" has to mean "throwing as much money as possible at every player." It's OK to negotiate .. if they start thinking they need to overpay for appearances, they will just be a different kind of screwed up.

 

 

I get what you're saying, but I don't consider this to be a negative attribute of a GM. Obviously I don't want them to be George Orwell's 1984, but he should have stability and the team's best interest in mind before the player's best interests. Maybe a chicken or the egg scenario.

 

If he's only as good as the hand that feeds, we have a 3 month snap shot. That has yet to include a draft, free agency or a full offseason, so in the grand scheme of things, I could give a damn about how Foligno got handled. Not because I don't think he's a great prospect or I'm apathetic about his value to the club. Rather, I think Darcy's job performance from June 24th until the second week of September is what really matters.

 

I'm not suggesting he should overpay, or that he shouldn't have the teams best interest in mind in every decision he makes. But he needs to at least PRETEND and GIVE THE APPEARANCE that the players' and the team's well being are the primary consideration. Its the entire premise on which Hockey Heaven is based.

[BetweenThePipes00]

I'm not suggesting he should overpay, or that he shouldn't have the teams best interest in mind in every decision he makes. But he needs to at least PRETEND and GIVE THE APPEARANCE that the players' and the team's well being are the primary consideration. Its the entire premise on which Hockey Heaven is based.

 

Come on ... there is no way for him to PRETEND and GIVE THE APPEARANCE of anything without actually signing the kid. It's the only evidence of action that you would accept, and that's fine. How can he pretend? Either it gets done or it doesn't, and probably the only way to make it get done sooner is to throw more money at it. Which you just agreed would not be smart.

 

The kid said on WGR spending last summer at the Arena working with Doug McKenney was a huge part of his development ... Giving unsigned prospects access to facilities and staff that can help them get better has to mean a helluva a lot more than "appearances" based on the date a kid signs. If players are looking to see how they get treated, that is what they will remember. THAT is the premise on which Hockey Heaven is based.

[Braedon]

I'm not suggesting he should overpay, or that he shouldn't have the teams best interest in mind in every decision he makes. But he needs to at least PRETEND and GIVE THE APPEARANCE that the players' and the team's well being are the primary consideration. Its the entire premise on which Hockey Heaven is based.

 

 

Belichick never pretends to have the players well being in mind. Yet for the last decade, the Pats were considered one of the premier football destinations. Win, and you can be as big of a prick as you want.

 

I guess I don't consider contract negotiations to be as big of a part in 'creating the environment' as the physical amenities or how the player is treated once under contract.

[korab rules]

Come on ... there is no way for him to PRETEND and GIVE THE APPEARANCE of anything without actually signing the kid. It's the only evidence of action that you would accept, and that's fine. How can he pretend? Either it gets done or it doesn't, and probably the only way to make it get done sooner is to throw more money at it. Which you just agreed would not be smart.

 

The kid said on WGR spending last summer at the Arena working with Doug McKenney was a huge part of his development ... Giving unsigned prospects access to facilities and staff that can help them get better has to mean a helluva a lot more than "appearances" based on the date a kid signs. If players are looking to see how they get treated, that is what they will remember. THAT is the premise on which Hockey Heaven is based.

 

 

Belichick never pretends to have the players well being in mind. Yet for the last decade, the Pats were considered one of the premier football destinations. Win, and you can be as big of a prick as you want.

 

I guess I don't consider contract negotiations to be as big of a part in 'creating the environment' as the physical amenities or how the player is treated once under contract.

 

 

My point is that the contract should have been done months ago.

[X. Benedict]

Keeping Darcy, even if he really was held back during the Golisano administration, will only prolong this transition. So many ingrained feelings about the guy to overcome.

 

Do you ever watch a game and think....Darcy played a great game tonight?

 

I actually think Pegula took the due diligence seriously - and learned quickly what kind of parameters Regier was working under.

[Derrico]

Except you AREN'T giving him 18 months to show what he's made of. You've clearly already made your decision (as have many others). And while there is nothing wrong w/ that, hearing about every perceived thing he does wrong (especially in the case of something like this, where he DIDN'T screw anything up) is going to get real old real quick.

 

I take no issue w/ pointing out things that he does wrong, all I ask is that he actually screw something up before pointing it out.

 

 

This is 100% correct. And is the way it should be.

 

Wrong, it's already real old :wallbash:

 

I agree with your post. If in the next 14.5 months as Korab has given him things don't greatly improve then I'm on board with you Korab but let's just atleast wait until mid August before we continue to throw him under the bus. I understand it's mid/late May and there really isn't much to talk about but hold off your comments for a couple of months please.

[korab rules]

Wrong, it's already real old :wallbash:

 

I agree with your post. If in the next 14.5 months as Korab has given him things don't greatly improve then I'm on board with you Korab but let's just atleast wait until mid August before we continue to throw him under the bus. I understand it's mid/late May and there really isn't much to talk about but hold off your comments for a couple of months please.

You must be new to message boards. And I'm not throwing him under the bus yet. It will be perfectly clear when I do.

[carpandean]

I'm not suggesting he should overpay

My point is that the contract should have been done months ago.

What if these two things couldn't occur together? In other words, the player/agent sitting on the other side of the table weren't willing to accept anything other than what would be considered overpaying months ago. They, then, decided to accept a reasonable offer now. What's Darcy's correct play?

[BetweenThePipes00]

My point is that the contract should have been done months ago.

 

There was ZERO incentive for the kid to sign any earlier. He was having a huge year, his value was going up every day . Maybe HE wanted to wait until his season was done. Maybe his agent was holding out for more money based on that big season. And it worked, because he got pretty close to the maximum deal he could get under the rules. I don't think his agent cares about how an extra few weeks makes Darcy look to Sabres fans.

[darksabre]

My point is that the contract should have been done months ago.

 

If it's done now then what is the problem? It's not like he didn't get signed or something. They might be players with feelings and other girly stuff but they also know it's a business and they might not be top priority. Not everyone gets to be number one on the to-do list.

[X. Benedict]

My point is that the contract should have been done months ago.

Not smart to sign non-playing prospects months ago...

 

Teams can only have 50 players under contract at once. No real hurry....once Portland was done it freed up numbers.

Kassian was going to play....but Foligno wasn't.....potentially they might have needed prospects to help with the Calder run.

 

There was no hurry.

[bobs0108]

Man I am excited about seeing the amercs(fingers crossed) play next year. They are going to be mean with foligno kassian and mccnab. I have a feeling another ahl roy. Woot woot :-D