Foligno signed

[shrader]

I don't disagree. But it is part of the history of the current GM so I can understand why there would be concern. It's a pretty safe bet that it was in the mind of Korab Rules when he made his initial post in this thread.

 

Post-lockout, somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 draft picks have gone unsigned (all late rounders). At some point the focal point for the criticism has to shift, doesn't it?

[X. Benedict]

Post-lockout, somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 draft picks have gone unsigned (all late rounders). At some point the focal point for the criticism has to shift, doesn't it?

They haven't really lost anyone they wanted?

[shrader]

They haven't really lost anyone they wanted?

 

Jordon Southern was the earliest pick they didn't sign, a 4th rounder. Then there was 5th rounder Jean-Simon Allard. Otherwise, I see 3 6-7 round picks that went unsigned. They're signing mostly everyone, but letting some of the more crap shoot picks go. It's still a bit of a limited window, but best I can tell, no one has really "gotten away" since the Hejda pick in '03 and that was more of a "hey why not take a shot" drafting.

[LastPommerFan]

The only reason they remembered to sign him was because we brought him up here.

 

They read the board.

[Weave]

Post-lockout, somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 draft picks have gone unsigned (all late rounders). At some point the focal point for the criticism has to shift, doesn't it?

 

When the performance of the team on the ice shifts the criticism of the crew that built those mediocre teams will shift. Besides, what else Sabres related do we have to talk about while three other teams are still palying?

[shrader]

When the performance of the team on the ice shifts the criticism of the crew that built those mediocre teams will shift. Besides, what else Sabres related do we have to talk about while three other teams are still palying?

 

I'm not so sure what the performance on the ice has to do with signing draft picks. The only thing that effects the play on the ice is the draft picks themselves.

[X. Benedict]

Jordon Southern was the earliest pick they didn't sign, a 4th rounder. Then there was 5th rounder Jean-Simon Allard. Otherwise, I see 3 6-7 round picks that went unsigned. They're signing mostly everyone, but letting some of the more crap shoot picks go. It's still a bit of a limited window, but best I can tell, no one has really "gotten away" since the Hejda pick in '03 and that was more of a "hey why not take a shot" drafting.

 

I think they passed on Southern...he didn't go back into the draft IIRC...ECHL I think...

 

Allard ...... I think he went into equipment sales or something.

[Weave]

I'm not so sure what the performance on the ice has to do with signing draft picks. The only thing that effects the play on the ice is the draft picks themselves.

 

Call it a criticism of overall general mediocrity; from drafting, to developing, to retaining, to attracting good players.

[shrader]

I think they passed on Southern...he didn't go back into the draft IIRC...ECHL I think...

 

Allard ...... I think he went into equipment sales or something.

 

The Southorn one actually surprised me a bit. The year before there were very positive reviews coming out of the Sabres prospect camp about him. He must have stalled out that year in juniors.

[X. Benedict]

The Southorn one actually surprised me a bit. The year before there were very positive reviews coming out of the Sabres prospect camp about him. He must have stalled out that year in juniors.

 

I think drafting from the Q is a little tricky.

 

I almost never get to see games in the Q, but from scouting reports there is always a question of how players from the Q translates into AHL/NHL ....because it has been traditionally less defense minded league.

[shrader]

I think drafting from the Q is a little tricky.

 

I almost never get to see games in the Q, but from scouting reports there is always a question of how players from the Q translates into AHL/NHL ....because it has been traditionally less defense minded league.

 

I think you're being generous with that one. :thumbsup:

[X. Benedict]

I think you're being generous with that one. :thumbsup:

 

The backcheck there is called La Sansouci.

[Robviously]

Call it a criticism of overall general mediocrity; from drafting, to developing, to retaining, to attracting good players.

That's really what it is. The pessimism has less to do with remembering how the Zigomanis signing didn't work out and more to do with how little has gone right since Black Sunday in 2007.

 

Before Pegula showed up, was there any reason to believe this team was on track to win the Stanley Cup? Ever? We know from Golisano's goodbye press conference that the goal was to "break even" financially each year, but it felt that way long before we heard him say it.

[shrader]

That's really what it is. The pessimism has less to do with remembering how the Zigomanis signing didn't work out and more to do with how little has gone right since Black Sunday in 2007.

 

Before Pegula showed up, was there any reason to believe this team was on track to win the Stanley Cup? Ever? We know from Golisano's goodbye press conference that the goal was to "break even" financially each year, but it felt that way long before we heard him say it.

 

So direct the concerns somewhere that they actually belong. What we're talking about in this thread is the equivalent of blaming the goalie in a 0-0 tie. It's one of the things the team did get right during the Golisano ownership, yet here we are talking about it negatively.

[Derrico]

That's really what it is. The pessimism has less to do with remembering how the Zigomanis signing didn't work out and more to do with how little has gone right since Black Sunday in 2007.

 

Before Pegula showed up, was there any reason to believe this team was on track to win the Stanley Cup? Ever? We know from Golisano's goodbye press conference that the goal was to "break even" financially each year, but it felt that way long before we heard him say it.

 

That's my thought process as well. DR shares some of the blame for 'mediocrity' but I think there was more going on behind the scenes in terms of financial restrictions etc. than the public new. Well, I should say was confirmed.

[Weave]

So direct the concerns somewhere that they actually belong. What we're talking about in this thread is the equivalent of blaming the goalie in a 0-0 tie. It's one of the things the team did get right during the Golisano ownership, yet here we are talking about it negatively.

 

Well, Darcy is still here so as far as I am concerned it is being directed where it belongs. Darcy was responsible for bringing Zigomanis et al into the organization to begin with, right?

 

The only change to the on ice product to date is Brad Boyes. I'm cautiously optimistic, but really, nothing has been done to erase the mistakes of the past. All we have so far is alot of fun sounding talk. I'll tone down any criticism I have of Darcy when there are actual results to show that Darcy was actually not to blame for the mediocrity that defined most of the last dozen + years.

 

I don't even know how or why the hell I even have to defend myself. I'm not even the guy who chirped about Foligno's late (?) signing. I just voiced sympathy for the idea Korab posted.

[Robviously]

So direct the concerns somewhere that they actually belong. What we're talking about in this thread is the equivalent of blaming the goalie in a 0-0 tie. It's one of the things the team did get right during the Golisano ownership, yet here we are talking about it negatively.

These aren't specific concerns; it's a comment on the general feeling of the team. The Sabres had an aura of mediocrity (bordering on ambivalence) for almost four years starting in Summer 2007 and that's not going to go away immediately. So if there's a chance for something to go wrong, it sorta feels like that's the logical outcome.

 

And as good as we all feel about Pegula, we'll need something tangible to happen to change the team's reputation.

[shrader]

These aren't specific concerns; it's a comment on the general feeling of the team. The Sabres had an aura of mediocrity (bordering on ambivalence) for almost four years starting in Summer 2007 and that's not going to go away immediately. So if there's a chance for something to go wrong, it sorta feels like that's the logical outcome.

 

And as good as we all feel about Pegula, we'll need something tangible to happen to change the team's reputation.

 

It has nothing to do with 2007. It's the woe is me Buffalo attitude.

[Robviously]

Well, Darcy is still here so as far as I am concerned it is being directed where it belongs. Darcy was responsible for bringing Zigomanis et al into the organization to begin with, right?

 

The only change to the on ice product to date is Brad Boyes. I'm cautiously optimistic, but really, nothing has been done to erase the mistakes of the past. All we have so far is alot of fun sounding talk. I'll tone down any criticism I have of Darcy when there are actual results to show that Darcy was actually not to blame for the mediocrity that defined most of the last dozen + years.

In regards to Regier, this is dead on. I need him to do something to make me have faith in him again.

 

I keep making this point: His last big trade that actually made our NHL roster better was Chris Drury....EIGHT YEARS AGO. Eight years is a lifetime in pro sports. (For example, eight years ago we weren't sure if Tom Brady was a good quarterback or a one year wonder. That's how long ago EIGHT years is in sports.)

[Robviously]

It has nothing to do with 2007. It's the woe is me Buffalo attitude.

Really? Did people feel the same way about the Sabres from 2005 through Summer 2007 as they did from Black Friday until the first time they heard Terry Pegula's name?

 

It's not just that Black Friday happened, it's that nothing happened since to make us forget.

[X. Benedict]

Really? Did people feel the same way about the Sabres from 2005 through Summer 2007 as they did from Black Friday until the first time they heard Terry Pegula's name?

 

It's not just that Black Friday happened, it's that nothing happened since to make us forget.

 

I'm not sure if as many people are stuck there as you might imagine.

 

I'm not.

[Robviously]

I'm not sure if as many people are stuck there as you might imagine.

 

I'm not.

I have no idea how many people are stuck where, but Briere was probably the main focal point of our latest trip to the playoffs.

 

I think we have to win a playoff series to make people forget the 2006 and 2007 teams. (i.e. the people like me who still think back to those teams when looking at the Sabres.)

[Weave]

It has nothing to do with 2007. It's the woe is me Buffalo attitude.

 

Yep. Typical. Just marginalize the whole idea here. :rolleyes:

 

Since 2001 they've been past the first round of the playoffs twice. And looked outclassed in the playoffs in the 1st round the last two seasons. It isn't about 2007. It is about 10 years of mostly mediocrity, split by 2 years of lightning caught in a bottle.

[X. Benedict]

Yep. Typical. Just marginalize the whole idea here. :rolleyes:

 

Since 2001 they've been past the first round of the playoffs twice. And looked outclassed in the playoffs in the 1st round the last two seasons. It isn't about 2007. It is about 10 years of mostly mediocrity, split by 2 years of lightning caught in a bottle.

 

Wondering....respectfully...

 

Do we need this (2007 thing) to inform a thread about Marcus Folgino? I thought Shrader made a good point...Southern and Allard weren't signed. Darcy loves prospects. He usually signs them.

 

(It wasn't my intent to marginalize it, but maybe it deserves it's own thread, rather than this gist informing every one)

[tom webster]

Outclassed?