Sabres defense options

[deluca67]

Trading for his rights before he becomes an RFA is the best route.

It would take a hell of a lot.

To start, you're looking at a young, talented forward — Stafford, Kassian or Ennis, a good young defender — pick 'em except Myers, and a first rounder.

And we'd probably have to sweeten that deal.

And yes, I would do it — Sabres have good players, what they need is one or two great ones. That's not Bieksa and Erhoff.

Miller/Myers/Weber and Pegula's wallet would guarantee we're in the hunt for the next five years.

Why? The Preds would only accept what they felt was worth more than 4 1st round picks. The beauty of RFA compensation is that you don't have to give up any players. Also, you can then trade Stafford to regain some of the picks if he signs with another team.

[nucci]

Trading for his rights before he becomes an RFA is the best route.

It would take a hell of a lot.

To start, you're looking at a young, talented forward — Stafford, Kassian or Ennis, a good young defender — pick 'em except Myers, and a first rounder.

And we'd probably have to sweeten that deal.

And yes, I would do it — Sabres have good players, what they need is one or two great ones. That's not Bieksa and Erhoff.

Miller/Myers/Weber and Pegula's wallet would guarantee we're in the hunt for the next five years.

Agree with DeLuca. Just sign him to an offer sheet. Much cheaper and don't have to give up any players.

[deluca67]

Would you give up $2-3M/year in cap space and 4 1st round draft picks to upgrade from Ehrhoff/Bieksa to Weber?

 

Please think about the minnesota vikings while you answer that.

Here is a Radical idea. Go all defense in free-agency.

 

How about this for a six man unit.

 

Shea Weber - Mike Weber

Myers - Bieska

Sekera - Butler

 

#7 - MAG

 

Trade for a #1 center (keeping Roy as the #2) and that would be a pretty good off-season.

[SwampD]

Here is a Radical idea. Go all defense in free-agency.

 

How about this for a six man unit.

 

Shea Weber - Mike Weber

Myers - Bieska

Sekera - Butler

 

#7 - MAG

 

Trade for a #1 center (keeping Roy as the #2) and that would be a pretty good off-season.

How often do #1 centers actually get traded? I know it happened to us with Drury, but my guess is that it doesn't actually happen very often. And what do we have to trade for one anyway?.. oh yeah, Miller.

[inkman]

Agree with DeLuca. Just sign him to an offer sheet. Much cheaper and don't have to give up any players.

The sabres already have a log jam of defensemen in the system, not to mention a bulk of soft scoring wingers in the bigs, unloading one of each should be looked at as a plus.

[Braedon]

I guarantee that should Weber hit RFA, we'd have company with trying to sign him to an offer sheet.

[inkman]

I guarantee that should Weber hit RFA, we'd have company with trying to sign him to an offer sheet.

Has anyone indicated that he actually will...didn think so.

[Taro T]

But what will we do with TWO webers?

Grill opposing forwards. ;)

[BuffaloSoldier2010]

I just decided that we will acquire Shea Weber AND Steven Stamkos from RFA this year. Don't worry everyone, i've got it under control.

 

that is all.

[Braedon]

Has anyone indicated that he actually will...didn think so.

 

Hence the "should."

[spndnchz]

During the Hot Stove on tonight's game they said Nashville may not be able to afford Weber.

In my view, that is the best possible addition this team could make.

We need a prayer emoticon.

 

Has anyone indicated that he actually will...didn think so.

 

Last week Shea Weber was quoted as saying something along the lines of "We're gonna get a deal done here".

 

IMO, easier to get Bieksa or Erhoff.

[dudacek]

Way easier. And if we acquire one of those guys and an impact forward I will be happy.

But while good players are nice, what this team really needs is a great player.

[LGR4GM]

alcohol makes me think all is possilbe! Lets offer shea weber the max 10 mil a year for 10 years! Make him our awesome all star like dipietro!!!! wooooooooooo :beer: :beer: :beer:

[LastPommerFan]

Here is a Radical idea. Go all defense in free-agency.

 

How about this for a six man unit.

 

Shea Weber - Mike Weber

Myers - Bieska

Sekera - Butler

 

#7 - MAG

 

Trade for a #1 center (keeping Roy as the #2) and that would be a pretty good off-season.

 

I think signing 2 vet D-men would be a great Idea.

I'm not convinced, however, that we need a #1 scoring center. I think Roy fills that role fine. We need another center, but it doesn't have to be a "Star". I'm thinking more along the lines of a Samual Pahlsson, Dave Bolland, Patrick Sharp type guys. Have won the cup, not all-stars, but can get the job done.

[X. Benedict]

Grill opposing forwards. ;)

 

ba-dump-bump!

[waldo]

I think signing 2 vet D-men would be a great Idea.

I'm not convinced, however, that we need a #1 scoring center. I think Roy fills that role fine. We need another center, but it doesn't have to be a "Star". I'm thinking more along the lines of a Samual Pahlsson, Dave Bolland, Patrick Sharp type guys. Have won the cup, not all-stars, but can get the job done.

 

 

ROY??? Number one center? :thumbdown:

[shrader]

Why? The Preds would only accept what they felt was worth more than 4 1st round picks. The beauty of RFA compensation is that you don't have to give up any players. Also, you can then trade Stafford to regain some of the picks if he signs with another team.

 

Whether or not it's right from a team building aspect, there's still a marketing point of view to think of if you're Nashville. Poille has done really well through the draft, but the fans are going to want to see a somewhat immediate return if they were to lose Weber. Sure, they could turn around and package some of those 1st round picks, but teams aren't going to be all that interested today in a 2015 1st round draft pick. If they instead trade, they get a couple NHL ready guys instead and the team can bounce back much quicker, which probably makes more sense looking at where Nashville sits today.

[X. Benedict]

Whether or not it's right from a team building aspect, there's still a marketing point of view to think of if you're Nashville. Poille has done really well through the draft, but the fans are going to want to see a somewhat immediate return if they were to lose Weber. Sure, they could turn around and package some of those 1st round picks, but teams aren't going to be all that interested today in a 2015 1st round draft pick. If they instead trade, they get a couple NHL ready guys instead and the team can bounce back much quicker, which probably makes more sense looking at where Nashville sits today.

 

Teams might sign Weber to an RFA offer, but I can't see Poille not matching...he's already been paying him 4.5 million/season. 8 mil. X 7 years is still a contract Poille can move on his own terms if he matches.

[shrader]

Teams might sign Weber to an RFA offer, but I can't see Poille not matching...he's already been paying him 4.5 million/season. 8 mil. X 7 years is still a contract Poille can move on his own terms if he matches.

 

Exactly. If Weber goes somewhere, it only happens if Poille gets an immediate return for his team.

[Weave]

I think signing 2 vet D-men would be a great Idea.

I'm not convinced, however, that we need a #1 scoring center. I think Roy fills that role fine. We need another center, but it doesn't have to be a "Star". I'm thinking more along the lines of a Samual Pahlsson, Dave Bolland, Patrick Sharp type guys. Have won the cup, not all-stars, but can get the job done.

 

I'll take Patrick Sharp thank you very much. Except, have you seen the numbers he put up this year? Them's All Star worthy.

 

It was said in another thread I think, find the last Stanley Cup champion that had mediocre talent at center. If you want a Cup conteder you'll need to find better centers.

[X. Benedict]

Exactly. If Weber goes somewhere, it only happens if Poille gets an immediate return for his team.

My way of agreeing. good stuff as always. :thumbsup:

[LastPommerFan]

I'll take Patrick Sharp thank you very much. Except, have you seen the numbers he put up this year? Them's All Star worthy.

 

It was said in another thread I think, find the last Stanley Cup champion that had mediocre talent at center. If you want a Cup conteder you'll need to find better centers.

 

IMO Derek Roy/New #2 Center (think $3.5M-$4M range, but not a waste of skate sharpening time like timmy)/Goose would be a very comparable 1-2-3 to the 06-07 Ducks (Pahlsonn/McDonald/Getzlaf (who was a sophomore at the time, I realize he has grown into a stud))

[Weave]

IMO Derek Roy/New #2 Center (think $3.5M-$4M range, but not a waste of skate sharpening time like timmy)/Goose would be a very comparable 1-2-3 to the 06-07 Ducks (Pahlsonn/McDonald/Getzlaf (who was a sophomore at the time, I realize he has grown into a stud))

 

Well, if you are gonna cherry pick the one team in the last 15 that won it with mediocre centers to frame your side then you won't have a problem with the folks who frame their "we don't need an elite goalie" argument with the one team in the last 15 that won that way, right?

 

There are always exceptions, but it is not a reliable way of building a champion team. Generally speaking, strength down the middle is the way most championships are built.

[LastPommerFan]

I'll take Patrick Sharp thank you very much. Except, have you seen the numbers he put up this year? Them's All Star worthy.

 

It was said in another thread I think, find the last Stanley Cup champion that had mediocre talent at center. If you want a Cup conteder you'll need to find better centers.

:huh:

 

 

 

Well, if you are gonna cherry pick the one team in the last 15 that won it with mediocre centers to frame your side then you won't have a problem with the folks who frame their "we don't need an elite goalie" argument with the one team in the last 15 that won that way, right?

 

There are always exceptions, but it is not a reliable way of building a champion team. Generally speaking, strength down the middle is the way most championships are built.

 

I was just doing the bolded part. I agree that strength down the middle is important, in fact, it might be the best way, but:

 

1. It is nearly impossible to get top quality centers through FA/Trade

2. The Sabres have bigger problems in there own zone and I'd rather go after a defensive centerman than one that gets 80+ pts a season. Side benefit...They're cheaper.

[Weave]

:huh:

 

 

LOL ya got me.