spndnchz Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 So I think we all agree we need an upgrade on D. Butler - RFA Leopold - signed Morrisonn - signed Myers -signed Sekera - RFA Weber - RFA Gragnani - RFA Looking at the above do you think DR is looking for a d-man that scores more points or one that is more responsible defensively?
Weave Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 So I think we all agree we need an upgrade on D. Butler - RFA Leopold - signed Morrisonn - signed Myers -signed Sekera - RFA Weber - RFA Gragnani - RFA Looking at the above do you think DR is looking for a d-man that scores more points or one that is more responsible defensively? Yes.
LastPommerFan Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 The first question that needs to be answered is, Would we actually assign $2M Morrisson to Portland to free up the cap space? I think this dramatically effects the follow-up decisions.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 We should definitely assign Morrison to Portland, there's no sense in keeping a 2m cap hit in the press box, and as we all know, with tpegs, money is no longer an issue. I think we need an individual more responsible defensively, and that should be the priority, but obviously we should try to get an individual who brings both to the table
spndnchz Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Posted May 13, 2011 We should definitely assign Morrison to Portland, there's no sense in keeping a 2m cap hit in the press box, and as we all know, with tpegs, money is no longer an issue. I think we need an individual more responsible defensively, and that should be the priority, but obviously we should try to get an individual who brings both to the table While sending Morrisonn to Portland would work to make room for a "stud", he'd have to clear waivers, which he prolly would. The issue would be that if you need him to come back, he has to clear re-entry waivers. If he does get picked up the Sabres are responsible for half his salary/cap hit. That's a million wasted on him since he's not playing in Portland or even on the team and makes you spend (if this indeed is the idea) 1 million less to keep the room. IMHO, it would be better to just keep him as a #7 and not waive him unless u think McNabb, Schiestel, or Brennan(all still waiver-less) are ready. I'd pick McNabb first.
Braedon Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 So I think we all agree we need an upgrade on D. Butler - RFA Leopold - signed Morrisonn - signed Myers -signed Sekera - RFA Weber - RFA Gragnani - RFA Looking at the above do you think DR is looking for a d-man that scores more points or one that is more responsible defensively? We need both. But if I have to choose I would prefer a solid stay at home defenceman.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 I don't mean to nitpick but isn't morrisons contract 1.75? That's just what I remember off the top of my head. But I get what you're saying, but I'm convinced the kid is not a sabre, he could prove me wrong, but maybe we can lose him in a trade. Other than that I'd definitely rather call up a prospect who will actually be in the organization longer than morrisson. Intriguing idea to say the least, I still say we send him to Portland permanently, but to be completely honest I'm not too far from the fence on this one, it wouldn't take much to convince me either way
Samson's Flow Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 So I think we all agree we need an upgrade on D. Butler - RFA Leopold - signed Morrisonn - signed Myers -signed Sekera - RFA Weber - RFA Gragnani - RFA Looking at the above do you think DR is looking for a d-man that scores more points or one that is more responsible defensively? So what you're saying is Erhoff or Bieksa then? Sounds good :thumbsup:
LastPommerFan Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 While sending Morrisonn to Portland would work to make room for a "stud", he'd have to clear waivers, which he prolly would. The issue would be that if you need him to come back, he has to clear re-entry waivers. If he does get picked up the Sabres are responsible for half his salary/cap hit. That's a million wasted on him since he's not playing in Portland or even on the team and makes you spend (if this indeed is the idea) 1 million less to keep the room. IMHO, it would be better to just keep him as a #7 and not waive him unless u think McNabb, Schiestel, or Brennan(all still waiver-less) are ready. I'd pick McNabb first. I'd be sending him to Maine with the complete intention that he never plays in the Blue & Gold again. I'd do the right thing and shop him for a 4th or 5th round pick, but I got no more use for this guy. We're signing all of our RFAs, if for no other reason than tradeable assets. I'd go after one of the 2-3 top D-Men in FA (Ehrhoff is my #1) So My lines are: Myers/Weber Leopold/Ehrhoff Gragnani/Sekera Butler I would be willing to sign a 2nd FA Defenseman and start MAG in Portland for later call-up. Also, I believe, re-entry waivers are only required for players that needed to clear regular waivers on the way down. If Morrisonn is assigned to portland 12 days prior to the start of the season, he won't have to clear waivers. If my intrepretation of the CBA is correct, he then would not have to clear re-entry waivers on the way back up. Does anyone know if this is true?
LastPommerFan Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 I don't mean to nitpick but isn't morrisons contract 1.75? That's just what I remember off the top of my head. But I get what you're saying, but I'm convinced the kid is not a sabre, he could prove me wrong, but maybe we can lose him in a trade. Other than that I'd definitely rather call up a prospect who will actually be in the organization longer than morrisson. Intriguing idea to say the least, I still say we send him to Portland permanently, but to be completely honest I'm not too far from the fence on this one, it wouldn't take much to convince me either way morrison is at $2,075,000 cap hit and salary for next season. (according to capgeek.com)
Samson's Flow Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 I'd be sending him to Maine with the complete intention that he never plays in the Blue & Gold again. I'd do the right thing and shop him for a 4th or 5th round pick, but I got no more use for this guy. We're signing all of our RFAs, if for no other reason than tradeable assets. I'd go after one of the 2-3 top D-Men in FA (Ehrhoff is my #1) So My lines are: Myers/Weber Leopold/Ehrhoff Gragnani/Sekera Butler I would be willing to sign a 2nd FA Defenseman and start MAG in Portland for later call-up. Also, I believe, re-entry waivers are only required for players that needed to clear regular waivers on the way down. If Morrisonn is assigned to portland 12 days prior to the start of the season, he won't have to clear waivers. If my intrepretation of the CBA is correct, he then would not have to clear re-entry waivers on the way back up. Does anyone know if this is true? Thats still a mighty young d-corps. not saying its bad, just mighty young. Only vets are playing on the same line too...
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 morrison is at $2,075,000 cap hit and salary for next season. (according to capgeek.com) THAT'S what it was, I new it wasn't 2 mil even, guess I was just a little more optimistic. Thanks! Much appreciated.
spndnchz Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Posted May 13, 2011 Also, I believe, re-entry waivers are only required for players that needed to clear regular waivers on the way down. If Morrisonn is assigned to portland 12 days prior to the start of the season, he won't have to clear waivers. If my intrepretation of the CBA is correct, he then would not have to clear re-entry waivers on the way back up. Does anyone know if this is true? That is the way it seems to be written. Something like "Any player that does not need to clear waivers doesn't have to clear re-entry waivers" A technical "planned" loophole that you can send them down 12 days before the first reg. season game? Maybe. Doesn't protect the player much.
LastPommerFan Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 Thats still a mighty young d-corps. not saying its bad, just mighty young. Only vets are playing on the same line too... I'd be willing to trade one of Butler/Weber/Sekera (plus Picks/prospects) for a Defensive centerman and backfill the 3rd pair with a FA or Trade Veteran. MAG is offlimits in my world, too much potential, but I just realized, he is no longer waiver exempt either. I like the idea of having Weber and Myers on the top line, especially if angry myers sitcks around until october. TYLER SMASH!! :devil:
Samson's Flow Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 I'd be willing to trade one of Butler/Weber/Sekera (plus Picks/prospects) for a Defensive centerman and backfill the 3rd pair with a FA or Trade Veteran. MAG is offlimits in my world, too much potential, but I just realized, he is no longer waiver exempt either. I like the idea of having Weber and Myers on the top line, especially if angry myers sitcks around until october. TYLER SMASH!! :devil: I'd be okay with that plan as long as you take out Weber as one of the trade away pieces. He's one of the guys I want to keep in order to maintain that physical/finesse balance. I also think you get more for Sekera than the others in the trade market since he is more flashy offensively.
shrader Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 That is the way it seems to be written. Something like "Any player that does not need to clear waivers doesn't have to clear re-entry waivers" A technical "planned" loophole that you can send them down 12 days before the first reg. season game? Maybe. Doesn't protect the player much. The line about not having to clear waivers excluding you from being exposed to re-entry waivers is specific to those entry level and young guys who haven't yet qualified for waivers (and also the rare rehab stint). This doesn't apply to Morrisonn. There is no scenario where he can be assigned to Portland (other than an agreed upon rehab stint) where we wouldn't have to first clear waivers.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 I'd be willing to trade one of Butler/Weber/Sekera (plus Picks/prospects) for a Defensive centerman and backfill the 3rd pair with a FA or Trade Veteran. MAG is offlimits in my world, too much potential, but I just realized, he is no longer waiver exempt either. I like the idea of having Weber and Myers on the top line, especially if angry myers sitcks around until october. TYLER SMASH!! :devil: Unless said defensive center is pavel datsyuk, I still think we need a top scoring center who will be seen as a threat everytime they take their shift
JohnRobertEichel Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 So I think we all agree we need an upgrade on D. Butler - RFA Leopold - signed Morrisonn - signed Myers -signed Sekera - RFA Weber - RFA Gragnani - RFA Looking at the above do you think DR is looking for a d-man that scores more points or one that is more responsible defensively? I think we're fine with the point-scoring defensemen (Myers, Leopold, Sekera, Gragnani). As a group, these guys are very young and are only going to get better. But as far as responsible defensemen go (Weber, Butler, Morrisonn), we could sure use an upgrade. Weber is the only one who looked decent last year. At the very least, one of either Butler or Morrisonn should be traded. I'm not opposed to keeping Butler around because he's still very young and has shown promise at times. Morrisonn, on the other hand, has been a real disappointment. I thought he was going to fill in Tallinder's role without missing a beat, but I was wrong. At the very least, I'd add 1 elite veteran stay-at-home d-man, by trade or by free agency, to pair with Myers so that we have this: Myers - awesome vet Weber - Leopold Butler/Gragnani - Sekera
LastPommerFan Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 The line about not having to clear waivers excluding you from being exposed to re-entry waivers is specific to those entry level and young guys who haven't yet qualified for waivers (and also the rare rehab stint). This doesn't apply to Morrisonn. There is no scenario where he can be assigned to Portland (other than an agreed upon rehab stint) where we wouldn't have to first clear waivers. Thank you for the clarification, and good-bye Shaone. I hear Portland is beautiful in the fall.
spndnchz Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Posted May 13, 2011 The line about not having to clear waivers excluding you from being exposed to re-entry waivers is specific to those entry level and young guys who haven't yet qualified for waivers (and also the rare rehab stint). This doesn't apply to Morrisonn. There is no scenario where he can be assigned to Portland (other than an agreed upon rehab stint) where we wouldn't have to first clear waivers. MAGs play in the post season really put the nail in Shamu's coffin IMO. Black: "Hey Darcy, we have to send down and possibly lose either Grags or Shamu" Darcy: "I've never liked whales. OSP made me do it".
X. Benedict Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 So I think we all agree we need an upgrade on D. Butler - RFA Leopold - signed Morrisonn - signed Myers -signed Sekera - RFA Weber - RFA Gragnani - RFA Looking at the above do you think DR is looking for a d-man that scores more points or one that is more responsible defensively? I think that the puckmovers are fine. (Sekera, Gragnani, Leopold, Myers can all move it). The lockdown D man isn't quite there yet....Weber is serviceable for a last pairing, but Morrison didn't show it was him. I wouldnt' be surprised if Jan Hejda or Nic Wallin was brought in.
shrader Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 The lockdown D man isn't quite there yet....Weber is serviceable for a last pairing, but Morrison didn't show it was him. I wouldnt' be surprised if Jan Hejda or Nic Wallin was brought in. I'd like to know what soured Hejda on Buffalo in the first place. He never wanted to be here, but instead accepted an offer from Edmonton. I still don't get it.
spndnchz Posted May 13, 2011 Author Report Posted May 13, 2011 I think that the puckmovers are fine. (Sekera, Gragnani, Leopold, Myers can all move it). The lockdown D man isn't quite there yet....Weber is serviceable for a last pairing, but Morrison didn't show it was him. I wouldnt' be surprised if Jan Hejda or Nic Wallin was brought in. Bieksa > Erhoff IMO.
X. Benedict Posted May 13, 2011 Report Posted May 13, 2011 I'd like to know what soured Hejda on Buffalo in the first place. He never wanted to be here, but instead accepted an offer from Edmonton. I still don't get it. He was drafted when he was 25 years old, I think. At the time he didn't want an entry or an AHL contract.....that's the best I can recall, and Buffalo wasn't prepared to give him a one way with a roster spot.
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