HopefulFuture Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Alright so this is my first shot at this so please be kind but here we go. What would everyone think of this trade. Buffalo trade: F Derek Roy F Luke Adam D Mark Pysyk G Jonas Enroth Buf 1st Round pick in 2011 Buf 1st Round Pick in 2012 Colorado trade: F Paul Stastny Col 1st Round pick in 2011 Then..... Buffalo Trade F Jochen Hecht Col 1st Round Pick in 2011 Edmonton Trade Edm 1st Round Pick in 2011 I know it seems like selling the farm but with the prospects we already have in the system it seems like taking a hit for the next couple seasons would be ok. Obviously with the first pick we would take old Nugy and in return i fell like Colorado gets some strong pieces to rebuild with, and edmonton only moving back one spot can still get a quality player (most likely a defenseman which honestly i feel they need more). Hecht I feel would be a bonus to pull off, really you could insert a number of things: Sekeras rights, a 3 Round pick, next years 2nd, But hear me out Hecht is a solid leadership type and with only one year left on his contract Edmonton isnt really straped for cash and could use some leadership for their younger guys. I didnt do the numbers on this because if you pull off including Hecht i believe this actually gives us cap relief. There are a few quality back-up goalies in FA that we could pick up and this leaves you money to go after your big D partner for Myers (Ehroff!!!!!) not to mention then you could easily pick up a Drury or Laich to fill your 3rd line center. Now we have a Center lineup of Nuge, Stastny, Drury/Laich, Goose with some money to go after a Parise if they really feel that compelled. And no i totally didnt come up with this trade in NHL 11 but i am totally curious if it works haha. Ok, I know you said it's your first go at it. The first I'd like to point out is the trade with Colorado, you put way too much into it for Stastny and their 2nd overall pick. You basically gave up 3 of our best prospects in Enroth, Adam and Pysyk and our only true scoring line center along with the two 1st rounders for a similiar (albiet 4 years younger) center in Stastny and the 2nd overall pick. I would try to cull that down some. No reason to give up the farm. And Hecht is probably not what Edmonton would be looking for. They'd most likely want something a little younger. F Derek Roy = was a second round pick (70 point a season center) F Luke Adam = was a second round pick (AHL rookie of the year) D Mark Pysyk = was a 1st round pick G Jonas Enroth = was a second round pick (1st capable backup for Miller in some time and will most likely push for the starting job) Buf 1st Round pick in 2011 = 16th pick overall Buf 1st Round Pick in 2012 = undetermined as of yet, but looks to be middle of the round with current team F Paul Stastny = more than likely projects out career wise as a 2nd scoring line center Col 1st Round pick in 2011 = Is a high pick, but in a weak draft. This pick wouldn't come in and help right away though.
Lanny Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Here Malkin will have Roy either behind or in front of him depending on what management wants and also Malkin has never had great wingers to play with and at least Stafford and Ennis/vanek are better than talbot and cooke. Malkin, Pavelski, Dubinsky, Sharp, are there any other Centers who could be available via trade that ppl could think of? Cogliano, Brule, Foligno Buffalo trade: F Derek Roy F Luke Adam D Mark Pysyk G Jonas Enroth Buf 1st Round pick in 2011 Buf 1st Round Pick in 2012 Colorado trade: F Paul Stastny Col 1st Round pick in 2011 Then..... Buffalo Trade F Jochen Hecht Col 1st Round Pick in 2011 Edmonton Trade Edm 1st Round Pick in 2011 I don't think the first trade works for either team, Roy's value is probably close to Stastny, maybe a little better due to cap hit, but then maybe not due to his injury last season. But the Sabres are giving up too many futures for one pick. Colorado on the other hand is rebuilding with youth, and the younger Stastny & the possibly elite level talent they'll get at pick #2 fits their team plan better. With Hecht's cap hit he actually has negative value in the 2nd trade, so just him and the #2 doesn't get you #1 overall in my opinion. Assuming the first trade you're probably looking at having to add youthful NHL ready players with the #2 overall to get up to pick #1.
X. Benedict Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Cogliano, Brule, Foligno I've been wondering what the price would be on Brule.
X. Benedict Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Woke up wondering about Clarke Macarthur. Do you think he's going to market?
dEnnis the Menace Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Alright so this is my first shot at this so please be kind but here we go. What would everyone think of this trade. Buffalo trade: F Derek Roy F Luke Adam D Mark Pysyk G Jonas Enroth Buf 1st Round pick in 2011 Buf 1st Round Pick in 2012 Colorado trade: F Paul Stastny Col 1st Round pick in 2011 Then..... Buffalo Trade F Jochen Hecht Col 1st Round Pick in 2011 Edmonton Trade Edm 1st Round Pick in 2011 I know it seems like selling the farm but with the prospects we already have in the system it seems like taking a hit for the next couple seasons would be ok. Obviously with the first pick we would take old Nugy and in return i fell like Colorado gets some strong pieces to rebuild with, and edmonton only moving back one spot can still get a quality player (most likely a defenseman which honestly i feel they need more). Hecht I feel would be a bonus to pull off, really you could insert a number of things: Sekeras rights, a 3 Round pick, next years 2nd, But hear me out Hecht is a solid leadership type and with only one year left on his contract Edmonton isnt really straped for cash and could use some leadership for their younger guys. I didnt do the numbers on this because if you pull off including Hecht i believe this actually gives us cap relief. There are a few quality back-up goalies in FA that we could pick up and this leaves you money to go after your big D partner for Myers (Ehroff!!!!!) not to mention then you could easily pick up a Drury or Laich to fill your 3rd line center. Now we have a Center lineup of Nuge, Stastny, Drury/Laich, Goose with some money to go after a Parise if they really feel that compelled. And no i totally didnt come up with this trade in NHL 11 but i am totally curious if it works haha. First, Welcome aboard, Second, I agree with hopeful that you are giving up too much. As much as I would like to dump Hecht, I don't think it happens the way you're suggesting. Good first go round though
Lanny Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I've been wondering what the price would be on Brule. Couldn't be much, maybe a 3rd round pick. I really like the idea of Cogliano as a 3rd line center, not sure what he'd cost. A 2nd seems fitting, but the Sabres don't have one.
VanFan85 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Ha thanks for not ripping me up guys! I actually agree with everyone I over compensated figuring if i put anything less it would seem like to little to get it done. You guys are right though we probably could get a trade like that done for Roy, prospect or two, and at least a first. As for the Edmonton deal i feel there are many ways to make it work maybe not Hecht but we have to have something they have their eye on.
CallawaySabres Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Sabres will not mortgage their future for anything less than a top line Center...period
bunomatic Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Alright so this is my first shot at this so please be kind but here we go. What would everyone think of this trade. Buffalo trade: F Derek Roy F Luke Adam D Mark Pysyk G Jonas Enroth Buf 1st Round pick in 2011 Buf 1st Round Pick in 2012 Colorado trade: F Paul Stastny Col 1st Round pick in 2011 Then..... Buffalo Trade F Jochen Hecht Col 1st Round Pick in 2011 Edmonton Trade Edm 1st Round Pick in 2011 I know it seems like selling the farm but with the prospects we already have in the system it seems like taking a hit for the next couple seasons would be ok. Obviously with the first pick we would take old Nugy and in return i fell like Colorado gets some strong pieces to rebuild with, and edmonton only moving back one spot can still get a quality player (most likely a defenseman which honestly i feel they need more). Hecht I feel would be a bonus to pull off, really you could insert a number of things: Sekeras rights, a 3 Round pick, next years 2nd, But hear me out Hecht is a solid leadership type and with only one year left on his contract Edmonton isnt really straped for cash and could use some leadership for their younger guys. I didnt do the numbers on this because if you pull off including Hecht i believe this actually gives us cap relief. There are a few quality back-up goalies in FA that we could pick up and this leaves you money to go after your big D partner for Myers (Ehroff!!!!!) not to mention then you could easily pick up a Drury or Laich to fill your 3rd line center. Now we have a Center lineup of Nuge, Stastny, Drury/Laich, Goose with some money to go after a Parise if they really feel that compelled. And no i totally didnt come up with this trade in NHL 11 but i am totally curious if it works haha. Welcome. Not to be a big old meanie but that first trade is probably why you're not a general manager. Nor am I or anyone else on this board so don't feel bad.
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 Ha thanks for not ripping me up guys! I actually agree with everyone I over compensated figuring if i put anything less it would seem like to little to get it done. You guys are right though we probably could get a trade like that done for Roy, prospect or two, and at least a first. As for the Edmonton deal i feel there are many ways to make it work maybe not Hecht but we have to have something they have their eye on. the thing to remember about Roy is that hes a top line center hes going to get 70 points next season unless hes injured. The other thing to remember is that statsny gets injured somewhat more often than i would like. if you would like to change that trade from stastny to Malkin, or a player like stamkos it might be more appropriate but i would prefer keeping roy and not having statsny. We really have not seen the 2nd half of the year sabres with the first half of the year roy so unless i am getting something premium in return I would keep my 70pt 4mil a season center. but welcome to the board!
drnkirishone Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I would love for us to get Sharp. He would be the best pickup we could get imo.
dEnnis the Menace Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I would love for us to get Sharp. He would be the best pickup we could get imo. He would be a pretty good addition. I really want our first move to be the acquisition of a first line center, by whatever means, but if Sharp is acquired, I wouldn't complain.
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 so we are about to wrap up the NHL season and then at the end of next week we get the draft, so theoretically the sabres should be doing something within the next 10-16 days. What that will be who knows, we have covered everything from Spezza to Richards, Stamkos to Pavelski but I think it is clear that this team will not be the same next year. the only good news about the early exit is that Ruff Regier Pegula and Black have had well over a month and a half to evaluate the team and make decisions on who is staying and who is going. my guess is that at least 1 of the following: Pommers, Hecht, Boyes, sekera, Butler, or even a roy may be traded before the draft or before july 1. Its going to be an exciting two weeks especially since 48 hours from now the buyout period will finally begin so we can so what other UFAs are going to hit the market. i'm excited, yet worried we will see the same old bs from regier, "the market was too high" but I will wait until july 3 to make that call.
BetterDays06 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 We need a center and 2 d-men obviously. I see the d looking like myers, leopold, weber, sekera and gragnani on the back burner incase of injuries. The 2 other d-men I think everyone would love is Ehrhoff and Liles. To me those two are not impossible to go after. For a center I dont think we need a Richards. I would rather go after someone like laich and have a shutdown defense. But Im am definitely not knocking on a good center. If the money is there, by all means go for it. I think our forwards are in great shape and with the addition of laich and the subtraction of connolly we should be pretty well set. Especially what we have down in the ahl. I am looking for boyes to have a bounce back year. I wont knock him like I did in this thread prior, so I will lay off of him until the season begins. Please everyone comment, good or bad I love feedback.
BetterDays06 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 so we are about to wrap up the NHL season and then at the end of next week we get the draft, so theoretically the sabres should be doing something within the next 10-16 days. What that will be who knows, we have covered everything from Spezza to Richards, Stamkos to Pavelski but I think it is clear that this team will not be the same next year. the only good news about the early exit is that Ruff Regier Pegula and Black have had well over a month and a half to evaluate the team and make decisions on who is staying and who is going. my guess is that at least 1 of the following: Pommers, Hecht, Boyes, sekera, Butler, or even a roy may be traded before the draft or before july 1. Its going to be an exciting two weeks especially since 48 hours from now the buyout period will finally begin so we can so what other UFAs are going to hit the market. i'm excited, yet worried we will see the same old bs from regier, "the market was too high" but I will wait until july 3 to make that call. Great post!! Whats the date and time the buyout begins???
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 Great post!! Whats the date and time the buyout begins??? the buyout period was supposed to start today but because of the finals it will start 48 hours after the finals is over. so Friday at noon i think it is. Also, as far as what this team needs, I would say that we should be hopeful that this team acquires more than just Laich and a couple of defenders, and I dont want Liles if I get ehrhoff. Id take just ehrhoff and be ok going forward knowing the depth we have at defense.
Drunkard Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I would love for us to get Sharp. He would be the best pickup we could get imo. I'm definitely interested in Sharp as well. Do you think he could be a full time center? I don't follow Chicago too closely but I know he's played predominantly at left wing but I'm pretty sure he's filled in at center for a number of games. Would playing him at center reduce his effectiveness?
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 I'm definitely interested in Sharp as well. Do you think he could be a full time center? I don't follow Chicago too closely but I know he's played predominantly at left wing but I'm pretty sure he's filled in at center for a number of games. Would playing him at center reduce his effectiveness? The question we should ask ourselves is are we willing to trade ennis +, for Sharp? I would guess Ennis at LW would be the exact type of player chicago would love to have considering their cap and his potential upside...
dEnnis the Menace Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 The question we should ask ourselves is are we willing to trade ennis +, for Sharp? I would guess Ennis at LW would be the exact type of player chicago would love to have considering their cap and his potential upside... I don't like the idea of getting rid of Ennis... in all seriousness,Gerbe and he were two of our hardest working players. Why trade him? I think there is a long line ahead of Ennis for trade bait in all honesty.
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 I don't like the idea of getting rid of Ennis... in all seriousness,Gerbe and he were two of our hardest working players. Why trade him? I think there is a long line ahead of Ennis for trade bait in all honesty. I hate the idea of trading Ennis or Gerbe but if I were the Hawks Ennis would be were I started when it comes to trading with buffalo. I am not saying we should trade him, i am saying that to get sharp I think chicago would start with ennis and that it would be a sticking point. I dont think saying hey heres broken jochen and a 1st would get the deal done.
dEnnis the Menace Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I hate the idea of trading Ennis or Gerbe but if I were the Hawks Ennis would be were I started when it comes to trading with buffalo. I am not saying we should trade him, i am saying that to get sharp I think chicago would start with ennis and that it would be a sticking point. I dont think saying hey heres broken jochen and a 1st would get the deal done. :lol: yeah...I know <_< I guess I misread what you were saying (it's been a long day here at work). I'm out for today, but I definitely like the idea of Sharp on the roster, but not at a steep cost (i.e. Ennis, Gerbe, etc. along those lines).
spndnchz Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I don't like the idea of getting rid of Ennis... in all seriousness,Gerbe and he were two of our hardest working players. Why trade him? I think there is a long line ahead of Ennis for trade bait in all honesty. Gerbe's got heart. I like him. If Connolly had gerbe's heart and drive we wouldn't need a Richards.
inkman Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Tyler Ennis is a nice little player but if the player coming back is better, more established and an actual real sized human being, I'm all for it.
Weave Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Tyler Ennis is a nice little player but if the player coming back is better, more established and an actual real sized human being, I'm all for it. Amen to that. That is the attitude we should be using to evaluate trades. Sharp has developed into a solid 60-70 point player with good playoff production. If you think Ennis won't reach those totals than you make the move. I suspect that Ennis will get very close to Sharp's point totals for a good chunk of his career, and he's younger so we'd have that production longer. So I think an Ennis for Sharp trade would only be a good idea for a Cup run NOW, not two or three years from now. And by the time two years from now gets here I think Ennis will be pretty close to equal with Sharp. The only thing Sharp brings that Ennis doesn't is the ability to play center. Well.... that and about 35lbs. :thumbsup:
tom webster Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I don't know why people keep writing about Chicago's cap problems. They will have at least $7 million in cap space. They may trade Sharp or Bolland or others but not to relieve cap problems bit to improve their club.
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