LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 Im really on the fence with Drury, I guess take a flier on him and invite him to camp. If he recaptures a little of the ol' magic then great, if not c ya. I back down and agree. Bring him to camp see how he does and how the team does and see if it flys. If so for less than a mil i could see him as a 4th line guy. Jiri Novotny comes to mind. Really? Hmm maybe. But Artem Anisimov has at least played 2 full 82 game seasons and improved both years. He had 44 points last year. Novotny barely has 44 points for his career. (he has 51 fyi) If it only took a first rounder and maybe a guy like butler I would do it. "I think a big part of this rediscovery was bring back the "retread" Grier. You say we're making progress with some of the things we're doing, I think this would be right in line with that." I think they rediscovered their identity because a group of kids showed up with past leadership and winning experience that they then reignited a team that went stale. Roy's absence allowed for this in some weird way.
shrader Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Really? Hmm maybe. But Artem Anisimov has at least played 2 full 82 game seasons and improved both years. He had 44 points last year. Novotny barely has 44 points for his career. (he has 51 fyi) If it only took a first rounder and maybe a guy like butler I would do it. 1st round picks are far more valuable than that. Any deal that involves a 1st round pick better be bringing back a proven commodity. Right now, that's not Anisimov. I'm not so sure why they would be looking to move him anyway. They're trying to free up cash for the big Richards signing and Anisimov really shouldn't be much of an obstruction to that with the new deal he'll get. They'll free up a good amount of cash with Drury-Wolski and the unfortunate passing of Boogaard. Dubinsky and Callahan will probably be the ones to watch over there.
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 I back down and agree. Bring him to camp see how he does and how the team does and see if it flys. If so for less than a mil i could see him as a 4th line guy. Really? Hmm maybe. But Artem Anisimov has at least played 2 full 82 game seasons and improved both years. He had 44 points last year. Novotny barely has 44 points for his career. (he has 51 fyi) If it only took a first rounder and maybe a guy like butler I would do it. I wasn't really slighting Novotny as much as saying how I saw the upside. I don't think much of Anisimov as a center, and he might be a good third line winger on a balanced team. Rangers would probably deal him if they bring up Krieder. Not a good center option IMO...similar body, skating to Novotny. Not worth a 2nd rounder. I bet Novotny would have put up similar numbers given similar ice time. I like Luke Adam more.
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 1st round picks are far more valuable than that. Any deal that involves a 1st round pick better be bringing back a proven commodity. Right now, that's not Anisimov. I'm not so sure why they would be looking to move him anyway. They're trying to free up cash for the big Richards signing and Anisimov really shouldn't be much of an obstruction to that with the new deal he'll get. They'll free up a good amount of cash with Drury-Wolski and the unfortunate passing of Boogaard. Dubinsky and Callahan will probably be the ones to watch over there. I wonder if that might be why they would move him, because they feel they cant fit both callahan and dubinsky in along with Richards and still sign anisimov. IDK, its a very dynamic situation downstate and it could help the sabres if they could find a way to capitalize here. I would be willing to give up this years first rounder for anisimov but I completely understand where your coming from and do not disagree at all that it could be a terrible idea. I wasn't really slighting Novotny as much as saying how I saw the upside. I don't think much of Anisimov as a center, and he might be a good third line winger on a balanced team. Rangers would probably deal him if they bring up Krieder. Not a good center option IMO...similar body, skating to Novotny. Not worth a 2nd rounder. I bet Novotny would have put up similar numbers given similar ice time. I like Luke Adam more. I do not disagree with that assesment, but I think Anisimov may have more to offer. Hard to say, and it wont happen but it was interesting to look at.
shrader Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 I wasn't really slighting Novotny as much as saying how I saw the upside. I don't think much of Anisimov as a center, and he might be a good third line winger on a balanced team. Rangers would probably deal him if they bring up Krieder. Not a good center option IMO...similar body, skating to Novotny. Not worth a 2nd rounder. I bet Novotny would have put up similar numbers given similar ice time. I like Luke Adam more. Kreider's staying in school. I've heard nothing to suggest that he's ready to jump. He's a fun one to watch, so I hope he sticks around one more year. I wonder if that might be why they would move him, because they feel they cant fit both callahan and dubinsky in along with Richards and still sign anisimov. IDK, its a very dynamic situation downstate and it could help the sabres if they could find a way to capitalize here. I would be willing to give up this years first rounder for anisimov but I completely understand where your coming from and do not disagree at all that it could be a terrible idea. I guess there's also the possibility that they somehow miss out on Richards. In that case, everyone stays. They'll only look to move one of those guys if they're making a big splash. They sure as hell won't be looking to Buffalo for any deal like that.
X. Benedict Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Three words: Kryukov, Novotny, Zagrapan Three 1st round whifs at the center position. That will set you back a decade. 2005 Zagarapan.. the fall-off in talent was pretty steep. At least 10 busts in that first round. That's why I think you take the best talent available and don't reach for a center. Most of these kids can't bench press more than 150 lbs x 6 when they are drafted.
LTIZEL Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Trade for Stephen Weiss and sign Jokinen, Drury, Patrick Eaves, and Hannan. Trade away: Pominville, Gaustad, and Hecht.
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Posted June 10, 2011 Trade for Stephen Weiss and sign Jokinen, Drury, Patrick Eaves, and Hannan. Trade away: Pominville, Gaustad, and Hecht. Jokinen sucks, drury sucks, Hannan sucks. Gaustad is good on faceoffs (better than drury) Ennis is better than Jokinen, and Weber is twice as good as Hannan so no. Plus Hecht should be traded and pommers maybe but if I get back the players you named I will pass.
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Trade for Stephen Weiss and sign Jokinen, Drury, Patrick Eaves, and Hannan. Trade away: Pominville, Gaustad, and Hecht. nah.
X. Benedict Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Trade for Stephen Weiss and sign Jokinen, Drury, Patrick Eaves, and Hannan. Trade away: Pominville, Gaustad, and Hecht. I'd take Weiss. Drury doesn't make you better as much as deeper - IF - he's healthy. Jokinen and Eaves are decent players with a limited upside. Not an improvement.
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Posted June 10, 2011 I'd take Weiss. Drury doesn't make you better as much as deeper - IF - he's healthy. Jokinen and Eaves are decent players with a limited upside. Not an improvement. Now theres a poll so you can vote for who you would or would not take. I took a look back in this thread and I gave Laichs 3.15 in my mock team so we have different values of him. Its fine though but I would like to see laichs here over richards honestly at this point. Laich is younger and will be cheaper. In that regards I would go 4-4.25 on laichs but not a cent higher. Hes good but not great hes a role guy and I wonder if his numbers are up cuz he played for Washington. time will tell.
X. Benedict Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Now theres a poll so you can vote for who you would or would not take. I took a look back in this thread and I gave Laichs 3.15 in my mock team so we have different values of him. Its fine though but I would like to see laichs here over richards honestly at this point. Laich is younger and will be cheaper. In that regards I would go 4-4.25 on laichs but not a cent higher. Hes good but not great hes a role guy and I wonder if his numbers are up cuz he played for Washington. time will tell. I'd bet Laich is the real captain of that team. If he came to Buffalo...you'd like him. (Worst scenario....he ends up in Toronto)
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Posted June 10, 2011 I'd bet Laich is the real captain of that team. If he came to Buffalo...you'd like him. Ive honestly only ever heard great things about Laich. He works hard, practices hard, is respected, is a nice guy, hits like a truck. I would love him here, even more than richards but I am unsure if it would happen. I think Hecht needs to go first because that is essentially who you replace: A 3rd line c/lw with good defensive capabilities but scoring potential.
HopefulFuture Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Craig Custance of the Sporting News has reported that Dallas Stars GM Joe Nieuwendyk has had discussions with teams about trading the negotiating rights of pending UFA center Brad Richards. Custance reports Richards has been working closely with the Stars to find a suitable destination. Potential suitors could include the New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Los Angeles Kings, Tampa Bay Lightning and Buffalo Sabres..
X. Benedict Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Ive honestly only ever heard great things about Laich. He works hard, practices hard, is respected, is a nice guy, hits like a truck. I would love him here, even more than richards but I am unsure if it would happen. I think Hecht needs to go first because that is essentially who you replace: A 3rd line c/lw with good defensive capabilities but scoring potential. Buying out Hecht would save $2 million this year... Jochen Hecht buyout from CapGeek.com 2011-12: $1,525,000 save $2 million 2012-13: $1,000,000 add $1 million
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Posted June 10, 2011 Buying out Hecht would save $2 million this year... Jochen Hecht buyout from CapGeek.com 2011-12: $1,525,000 save $2 million 2012-13: $1,000,000 add $1 million Trade him. O hey NYI you need a guy give us that 7th round pick and here ya go. O hey Toronto you want a guy ok how about that 7th round pick there ya got. If we had to i would toss in our 7th round pick just to move him out. Addition by subtraction.
OverPowerYou Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Trade him. O hey NYI you need a guy give us that 7th round pick and here ya go. O hey Toronto you want a guy ok how about that 7th round pick there ya got. If we had to i would toss in our 7th round pick just to move him out. Addition by subtraction. so true. People say we can't get our #1 center and D-man because of cap trouble. Simple solution - trade away pominville, Hecht, and Morrisson (not all at once) and you'll be saving yourself 10 mil. We have too many overpayed players on this team who don't contribute and were not getting our moneys worth.
Weave Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 so true. People say we can't get our #1 center and D-man because of cap trouble. Simple solution - trade away pominville, Hecht, and Morrisson (not all at once) and you'll be saving yourself 10 mil. We have too many overpayed players on this team who don't contribute and were not getting our moneys worth. The premise is off because you are talking about trading away the three most overpaid players on the team. Noone wants Hecht's production at that price tag. And Pomminstein is overpaid for his production too AND is coming off a season with a head injury and calf surgery. Noone takes that in a trade. And Morissonn wasn't good enough to consistently play on a defense that was poor. He's a tough move too. It is hard to even give away guys who are overpaid.
X. Benedict Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 so true. People say we can't get our #1 center and D-man because of cap trouble. Simple solution - trade away pominville, Hecht, and Morrisson (not all at once) and you'll be saving yourself 10 mil. We have too many overpayed players on this team who don't contribute and were not getting our moneys worth. Having more money doesn't necessarily get you better players at center through Free Agency....they just ain't there this year.
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Posted June 10, 2011 The premise is off because you are talking about trading away the three most overpaid players on the team. Noone wants Hecht's production at that price tag. And Pomminstein is overpaid for his production too AND is coming off a season with a head injury and calf surgery. Noone takes that in a trade. And Morissonn wasn't good enough to consistently play on a defense that was poor. He's a tough move too. It is hard to even give away guys who are overpaid. Doesnt have a no movement clause so send him to Portland/Rochester and there you go. If he really is not wanted by anyone be flexible and send him away. I like Pommers on this team heading forward but thats because I think he will rebound this year. Having more money doesn't necessarily get you better players at center through Free Agency....they just ain't there this year. Yes that is 100% true however, if you have more money it helps give you the option to try and get a UFA center. Well everyone fights over Richards I would be quietly signing Laich and then when the dust clears around 3pm richards will be a ranger (obviously) laich and (insert your favorite UFA defender here) will be sabres and then we will being having a different discussion. The lines would be as follows: Vanek - Roy - Stafford Ennis - Laich - Pommers/Boyes Gerbe - Goose - Boyes/Pommers Kaleta/Hecht - Luke Adam - Kassian/McCormick Its not pretty and I don't think we improve a great deal with that roster but it would help. We should all manage expectations of whats realistic for the summer. Getting a center or two is a priority so they will at the very least sign 1. They will get a vet defender. Everything outside of that this summer is a bonus. (aka trading for: Pavelski/Sharp/Dubinsky/Oshie/Handzus/Malkin) Also Capgeek is running next years numbers now (finally got rid of the 10-11 season) and Pittsburg has some cap issues even if it does go up to 63mil. They do have 19 ppl on the roster so they only need 4 but I wonder... EDIT: Here is a list of UFA defensemen: http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2011&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2 Heres a list of UFA Forwards: http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2011&team_id=-1&position_id=F&fa_type_id=2 now you can make whatever team you want with players who you could actually sign this summer.
LTIZEL Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 What would we have to give up in order get one of these guys?
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 i remember when i joined back in february i did a lot of this stuff too. Just some friendly advice, try not to start numerous new threads everyday. All it will do is tick off the admins, and they'll end up being combined with other threads anyways. As far as the whole question goes, Spezza and stamkos have already been covered, but i'll bite. Stamkos: we would trade tampa like 4 first rounders for his rights, but realistically, Stevie Stamkos ain't goin nowhere. Spezza: Rumor has it that Darcy tried to aqcuire him at the deadline, but ottowa wanted Roy and ennis in return so we vetoed that trade. Pavelski: Hasn't really been covered on here yet, but San jose isn't really in cap trouble right now. They will be in another year or so, but the odds of getting pavelski this offseason, as much as i would love it, are slim to none.
inkman Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Spezza is the only one that might not be on his current team next season.
Weave Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Spezza is the only one that might not be on his current team next season. Spezza is not going to be moved unless Ottawa is going for a Quebec Nordiques style tank job this year. The trade with Mike Fisher going to Nashville saw to that.
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